Are our sins really just burned away?

[homwardbound]

you post a ton of stuff....extrapolate boasting, and hang it on me saying it about 'sinless'?
please don't.
i was talking to william.
though it certainly does apply to our sinless friend, i didn't say that.
you did.
thx.

Well Zone you are and have been condeming to others so tell me is this righteous behavior are you without sin that you can appear above others
2 Corinthians 10:6We are ready to punish those who will not obey as soon as you obey in everything.
2 Corinthians 10:6And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.
I guess we do not have the right to denounce others but we do have the right to discuss in a loving manner yes?
Thanks Zone I do believe you do care in there somewhere.

 

[zone]

Oh and I have no affiliation with IHOP or Mike Bickle although I have no problem with those that do

if you say so

Why is our Bridal identity necessary?
we need the revelation of our Bridal identity

 

[zone]

Well Zone you are and have been condeming to others so tell me is this righteous behavior are you without sin that you can appear above others

i never claimed to be without sin.
you do.

 

[sinless]

Originally Posted by sinless

Oh and I have no affiliation with IHOP or Mike Bickle although I have no problem with those that do
if you say so

Originally Posted by sinless

Why is our Bridal identity necessary?
we need the revelation of our Bridal identity

I absolutly stand by these statements, and if that is what Mike Bickle teaches then I would have to agree with him about that.

Do you oppose the idea that we are to understand who we are in Christ in reference to our Bridal identity?

 

[sinless]

i never claimed to be without sin.
you do.

As if the pride of your rebellion is somehow tantamount to humility...smh

 

[homwardbound]

Yes Homeward apart from Christ I am nothing but a sinner, a murderer, and any other sinful act or thought you can think of. It is by Grace and grace alone that I am able to bring myself into obedience to our Lord.

You see, it takes God to love God. We need the Spirit's impartation of God's love in us to equip us to love God. Our love for God is a gift from God to us. Our love and desire for God is an expression of His desire for us. We are able to walk victoriously over sin in love with Jesus because of our Bridal identity, and the knowledge of this truth.

And one just continues to grow in this truth being so busy in this truth when one looks back there has been no time for sin which is the new life in Christ
For as a man thinks is what a man reaps, if a man sows to flesh flesh he shallreap and if that man sows to the Christ then life everlasting is reaped. I think I only want no I only want thoughts of the Christ and waht he did for you, and me and alll that beleive in thankfulnes, praises, being a new each and every day
Thanks

 

[loveme1]

Romans 7

Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.14For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. 15For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. 16If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. 17Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 18For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. 19For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. 20Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.21I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. 22For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: 23But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.24O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? 25I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Before being Baptized with the Holy Spirit i would lie knowing it was wrong, i did not like lying i knew within it was wrong but i consented to the lie any way.. for the sake of my flesh.

The Holy Spirit is the power over the flesh to be honest for every lie is known, sure the person you speak to may believe you but Heavenly Father is not pleased.

Indeed we serve the Law of God from within.

Sure your wife or husband might not catch you lusting after another the flesh can be cunning... but Heavenly Father knows you did.

We worship and serve in Spirit and Truth which is our labour of Love.

 

[homwardbound]

i never claimed to be without sin.
you do.

no Sister I claim God to be without sin. I have no righteousness of my own and never will. I have righteousness yes, but it is not mine it belongs to God and by the cross of Christ his death is my death, and his life is my new born again life
Now the Romans road Sister, only by the resurrection is one saved and learns to walk by their born again Spirit as is explained in the scripture below. Now do you not beleive this what Paul is saying about being born again? especially 6:11 to believe we are dead and alive to God do you?
Romans 6:1[ Dead to Sin, Alive in Christ ] What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase?
Romans 6:2By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?
Romans 6:3Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?
Romans 6:4We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.
Romans 6:5For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we will certainly also be united with him in a resurrection like his.
Romans 6:6For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin—
Romans 6:7because anyone who has died has been set free from sin.

Romans 6:11In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus.
1 Peter 3:18For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit.
Gal. 5:22-26

[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, [SUP]23 [/SUP]gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. [SUP]24 [/SUP]Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. [SUP]25 [/SUP]Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. [SUP]26 [/SUP]Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.

 

[homwardbound]

Romans 7



Before being Baptized with the Holy Spirit i would lie knowing it was wrong, i did not like lying i knew within it was wrong but i consented to the lie any way.. for the sake of my flesh.

The Holy Spirit is the power over the flesh to be honest for every lie is known, sure the person you speak to may believe you but Heavenly Father is not pleased.

Indeed we serve the Law of God from within.

Sure your wife or husband might not catch you lusting after another the flesh can be cunning... but Heavenly Father knows you did.

We worship and serve in Spirit and Truth which is our labour of Love.

Yes and by this worship in Spirit and truth there is no sin while there and this is what one learns is to stay in the Sp;irit of God's love
It is kiind of like this. We go upstairs to get a drink of water and come right back down here and play around, get angry, talk of others we do not agree with in a bad way lust, and wahtever else that is not of the Spirit of God. Then there we go agian and get another drink of water ask for forgiveness,feel good about ourselves we are once again cleansed, and right back downstairs again doing it all over again
I wonder wht we can't learn to go upstairs and stay there, never thirsting again?

 

[homwardbound]

Romans 7



Before being Baptized with the Holy Spirit i would lie knowing it was wrong, i did not like lying i knew within it was wrong but i consented to the lie any way.. for the sake of my flesh.

The Holy Spirit is the power over the flesh to be honest for every lie is known, sure the person you speak to may believe you but Heavenly Father is not pleased.

Indeed we serve the Law of God from within.

Sure your wife or husband might not catch you lusting after another the flesh can be cunning... but Heavenly Father knows you did.

We worship and serve in Spirit and Truth which is our labour of Love.

And again so lets ask God to crucify our flesh and he responds go the cross of my Son and see his death as your death of the law of sin and death the flesh. Then I (GOD) shall raise you back to life as I (GOD) already did my son so His resurrected life becomes yours and I (GOD) will teach you how to walk by my (GOD) Spirit For I can only be worshipped in Spirit and truth

 

[loveme1]

Yes and by this worship in Spirit and truth there is no sin while there and this is what one learns is to stay in the Sp;irit of God's love
It is kiind of like this. We go upstairs to get a drink of water and come right back down here and play around, get angry, talk of others we do not agree with in a bad way lust, and wahtever else that is not of the Spirit of God. Then there we go agian and get another drink of water ask for forgiveness,feel good about ourselves we are once again cleansed, and right back downstairs again doing it all over again
I wonder wht we can't learn to go upstairs and stay there, never thirsting again?

James 1

Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath: 20For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God. 21Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. 22But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. 23For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: 24For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was. 25But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

I often have to take a deep breath and consider much.

 

[loveme1]

And again so lets ask God to crucify our flesh and he responds go the cross of my Son and see his death as your death of the law of sin and death the flesh. Then I (GOD) shall raise you back to life as I (GOD) already did my son so His resurrected life becomes yours and I (GOD) will teach you how to walk by my (GOD) Spirit For I can only be worshipped in Spirit and truth

Hebrews 10

[SUP]16 [/SUP]This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
[SUP]20 [/SUP]By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
[SUP]21 [/SUP]And having an high priest over the house of God;
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised
[SUP]24 [/SUP]And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
[SUP]27 [/SUP]But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

Stark but True.

 

[zone]

no Sister I claim God to be without sin. I have no righteousness of my own and never will. I have righteousness yes, but it is not mine it belongs to God and by the cross of Christ his death is my death, and his life is my new born again life
Now the Romans road Sister, only by the resurrection is one saved and learns to walk by their born again Spirit as is explained in the scripture below. Now do you not beleive this what Paul is saying about being born again? especially 6:11 to believe we are dead and alive to God do you?
Romans 6:1[ Dead to Sin, Alive in Christ ] What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase?
Romans 6:2By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?
Romans 6:3Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?
Romans 6:4We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.
Romans 6:5For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we will certainly also be united with him in a resurrection like his.
Romans 6:6For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin—
Romans 6:7because anyone who has died has been set free from sin.

Romans 6:11In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus.
1 Peter 3:18For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit.
Gal. 5:22-26

[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, [SUP]23 [/SUP]gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. [SUP]24 [/SUP]Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. [SUP]25 [/SUP]Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. [SUP]26 [/SUP]Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.

well forgive me if i got it wrong, home.
i was certain you've posted we no longer are in need of confession of sins.

 

[cfultz3]

nope....but you've been banned at least x2.
hopefully once more 4runner

Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black.......

that made my day...thanks zone

 

[homwardbound]

James 1



I often have to take a deep breath and consider much.

and all that you posted is accomplished by 100% belief in christ unto God the Father of walking in his type of love best described in 1 Cor13, our old selves out of the way. as galatians 5 states and following the Spirit and romans 8 and I am sure others as well Sister. Now if we are not attaining maybe we need to read James 4 all over again and ask God to reveal our Motive(s) and be set free in Christ the Son

 

[loveme1]

and all that you posted is accomplished by 100% belief in christ unto God the Father of walking in his type of love best described in 1 Cor13, our old selves out of the way. as galatians 5 states and following the Spirit and romans 8 and I am sure others as well Sister. Now if we are not attaining maybe we need to read James 4 all over again and ask God to reveal our Motive(s) and be set free in Christ the Son

I will humble myself and reflect, thank you.

Peace and Blessings.

 

[homwardbound]

Hebrews 10



Stark but True.

Thanks Starfield, yes very much truth and it is not hard to see and do, because it is by Faith in the finished work at the cross unto the resurrected Christ, our new hight Priest our new Law of Love, and our new Covenant we are in freed from the Letter of the Law unto the two new laws written on our hearts Love thy God with all one has, and the second much like ther first our neighbor as self, now christ added to this one and said better than neighbor as self. Love our neighbor as Christ Loves us, and he went to the cross for us all, even though not all have recieved this yet.
Therefore My actions and reactions will only be in response to how much I beleive God loves me.
therefore my forgiveness is dependant on how much I beleive God has forgiven me.
Food for thought to me and all, for growth into the Spirit of God being set free to truth found only in Christ

 

[loveme1]

homwardbound, how does God know people love Him?

 

[homwardbound]

well forgive me if i got it wrong, home.
i was certain you've posted we no longer are in need of confession of sins.

Not a problem Sis. We are no longer in need of forgivenss for that is and was done at the cross. Confession is not for forgiveness it is for truth to be spoken.
A small ex: I go to dinner at someone's house and I do not like what is set in front of me. Waht should I do when asked how it is? Should I lie and say oh it is just fine because we are taught not to harm our neuighbor? Yes I need to tell truth whether I liked it or not, but now the ? is how do I reply and not harm this neighbor? And sis only God speaking through us can do this if we will trust Father in all things, we will have a meek Spirit that turns away wrath
Matthew 10:20for it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you.
Proverbs 15:1A gentle answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger.
1 Peter 3:15But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect,

When someone is mad at another because you told truth, a wise reply is would you rather me lie?
There is also a parable in the New Teastament before Christ went to the cross about hiring the field laborers and what they agreed that will get in payand at the end of the day when it was time to be paid The Lord had the last one paid first that only worked maybe an hour and theese others ahd worked all day. They saw these last ones get the same amount as they were told they would get. So when it came to them they assuned they would get more and did not, thus complained about this as man continues in doing today. Thet told the Master about how this was wrong And Christ replies did you not get waht you agreed with me to get? They said well yes , but! And christ said so you mean you are mad at me because I am kind, I did you no worng, you are paid what was agreed upon.
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sister is me and I stand humbled in AWE !!!!!!!!!!!!!! of my Savior and Lord Jesus Christ

 

[homwardbound]

homwardbound, how does God know people love Him?

God knows the heart of every man, before man does, so if man screams out for MERCY and only is after Mercy as shown by the tax collector in
Luke 18:11The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector.
Luke 18:12I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’

Luke 18:13“But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’
Luke 18:14“I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”

So we are to humble ourselves before the liviing God taking on Christ's yoke and burden because after the cross it is light and easy for by Christ through the cross we are given everything we need for life and Godliness only found in Christ the resurrected Christ, not the dead one. Although death was needed first to wipe out sin that caused death to begin with, so we can have new life here and now for this is what he came to do, inspite of what the enemy was and is till trying to do after the cross this is done for all that believe
John 10:10The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.