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We do what we do and believe what we believe based on 'faith' We recon ourselves dead and our life hid in Christ. By faith we agree with what God's word says. We are told to believe and IN THAT BELIEF IS HOW WE PUT OUR FLESH TO DEATH. If you give it life by trusting in IT you give it power., We are called to INSTEAD believe in what Christ has already done. so, recon it DONE BY FAITH. THAT IS HOW YOU PUT IT TO DEATH.
Romans 10:3 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
1 Corinthians 1:30 (NASB)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption,
2 Corinthians 5:21 (NASB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
Ephesians 4:24 (NASB)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] and put on the new self, which in the likeness of God has been created in righteousness and holiness of the truth.
Philippians 3:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
2 Corinthians 6:7 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] By the word of truth, by the power of God, by the armour of righteousness on the right hand and on the left,
Hebrews 5:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For everyone who partakes only of milk is not accustomed to the word of righteousness, for he is an infant.
Brethren we need to grow up in the knowledge of Christ our Lord and walk in His righteousness!
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
1 Corinthians 1:30 (NASB)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption,
2 Corinthians 5:21 (NASB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
Ephesians 4:24 (NASB)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] and put on the new self, which in the likeness of God has been created in righteousness and holiness of the truth.
Philippians 3:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
2 Corinthians 6:7 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] By the word of truth, by the power of God, by the armour of righteousness on the right hand and on the left,
Hebrews 5:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For everyone who partakes only of milk is not accustomed to the word of righteousness, for he is an infant.
Brethren we need to grow up in the knowledge of Christ our Lord and walk in His righteousness!
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Focusing on what Christ has done IS what I said. He said there is therefor now NO condemnation to them who are IN Christ Jesus. You are dead and your life is now hid in Christ. Focusing on the finished work of Jesus and identifying ourselves by HIS opinion of us and NOT ours.
He who has the Son has life, he who has not the Son of God has not life... Not sure why you are confusing the issue with saying the same thing but denying it at the same time. ?? What is your point??
He who has the Son has life, he who has not the Son of God has not life... Not sure why you are confusing the issue with saying the same thing but denying it at the same time. ?? What is your point??
Guys..basic beliefs in that we ( our old man ) died with Christ.....look at what we are dealing with here...this is messed up theology concerning Christ and us dying on the cross with Him.
Romans 6:5-6 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection,
[SUP]6 [/SUP] knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin;
2 Timothy 2:11 (NASB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] It is a trustworthy statement: For if we died with Him, we will also live with Him;
Galatians 2:20 (NASB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] "I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.
If we don't see the "old man/self" as dead..then our whole theology concerning the new man will be off....the new creation in Christ will be foolishness to us.
Romans 6:5-6 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection,
[SUP]6 [/SUP] knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin;
2 Timothy 2:11 (NASB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] It is a trustworthy statement: For if we died with Him, we will also live with Him;
Galatians 2:20 (NASB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] "I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.
If we don't see the "old man/self" as dead..then our whole theology concerning the new man will be off....the new creation in Christ will be foolishness to us.
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Because Christians do not have two natures, we have one, as partakers of the divine nature. The "two natures" teaching leads to a schizophrenic understanding of our spiritual identity, and to a paranoid uncertainty of what or who is prompting and motivating our behavior. And ironically it is this very belief in the schizophrenic duality of identity that provides the excuse for our failures. The fallacious "two natures" theory is what allows a Christian to blame his sin on the alleged "old sinful nature" that supposedly inhabits him.
Again, that is just half the equation. We are to look to Jesus the Author and FINISHER of our faith, not just sit and reckon ourselves dead to sin and the law...
Romans 7:4-6 KJVS
[4] Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. [5] For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. [6] But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
Romans 6:11-13 KJVS
[11] Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. [12] Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. [13] Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
Romans 7:4-6 KJVS
[4] Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. [5] For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. [6] But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
Romans 6:11-13 KJVS
[11] Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. [12] Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. [13] Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
I think it's a matter of identity .....perhaps the term "nature has to be defined better?.....and it's unfortunate that the NIV bible translated flesh as the sinful nature as now that is ingrained in many people's minds as a real nature we have......
we are not "in the flesh".....we are "in the Spirit".
Romans 8:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.
We also need to understand what the circumcision of the flesh and the heart is..also called the circumcision of Christ.
This is where the Holy Spirit seals our inner man..the new creation from our flesh..kinda like vacuumed sealed us.
...our new inner man created in Christ is in this body ( where the flesh is and the power of sin )..our indentity is NOT the flesh..it's who we are in Christ!
Romans 8:10-11 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness ( oppss..there's that righteousness thing again ).
we are not "in the flesh".....we are "in the Spirit".
Romans 8:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.
We also need to understand what the circumcision of the flesh and the heart is..also called the circumcision of Christ.
This is where the Holy Spirit seals our inner man..the new creation from our flesh..kinda like vacuumed sealed us.
...our new inner man created in Christ is in this body ( where the flesh is and the power of sin )..our indentity is NOT the flesh..it's who we are in Christ!
Romans 8:10-11 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness ( oppss..there's that righteousness thing again ).
Very true... before we can look at who we are in Christ...we need to be Texan-like and "reckon" ourselves dead to the sin which is in our flesh.
...we are for some, still trying to get over the hurdle of the old man being dead...we need to know that even before we can begin to see our new life in Christ.
We are saved by His life...we are to focus on Him and who we are in Him now..after we "know" we..ie..the old man is dead.
Romans 6:8 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him,
Romans 5:10 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.
...we are for some, still trying to get over the hurdle of the old man being dead...we need to know that even before we can begin to see our new life in Christ.
We are saved by His life...we are to focus on Him and who we are in Him now..after we "know" we..ie..the old man is dead.
Romans 6:8 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him,
Romans 5:10 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.