Are women allowed to Preach?

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Dino246

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Actually that depends upon your definition of "create". Eve was actually the first to perform evil with her disobedience to God. That is where it all began. God created Eve, which then she did evil and began evil.
It seems that you overlooked an evil action preceding Eve's. It also seems that, having made that oversight, you misattributed the beginning of evil. It further seems to me that you overlooked the clear and plain Scripture that assigns sin to Adam, not Eve (Romans 5:12-14 and 1 Cor 15:22).
 

Didymous

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Actually that depends upon your definition of "create". Eve was actually the first to perform evil with her disobedience to God. That is where it all began. God created Eve, which then she did evil and began evil. So, in this sense, no God did not directly create evil Himself.

Others may say, scripture says God did create evil so that must be true. My belief is that the scripture is saying that God created Adam and Eve and gave them the opportunity to do evil if they chose. Which Eve did and that is where it began.

So, it is sort of a yes and no answer to this question. Yes God did create what first started evil so one could say He created it Himself. And no God did not directly create it as Eve or some other human first had to choose to do it.

So, did the makers of the atomic bomb create all the deaths in Nagasaki OR did the person who dropped the bomb create that disaster ? It all depends upon how you look at it and really it makes no difference how you look at it. Evil is here and we should do our best to avoid it.

So, my final answer is yes God did create what started evil, but He did not "directly" create evil. And the Bible does not say that he "directly" created evil. It only says he created it. There is a difference.
Thank you, sir, for your answer. I asked because I wanted to know how you understood Isaiah 45:7.
 
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loyaldisciple

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(Btw, who was God talking to?) :rolleyes:

Search your hearts. Why do some of you get so angry that God uses women? Why are you so unhinged when a woman is put in a leadership position for God? How is that a threat to you personally? Why are you really so angry??


I have not seen anyone on here yet that has said "a woman is not to preach within a church", that has expressed ANY anger towards women at all. That is simply how you and many others have perceived it. Those agreeing with the scriptures are doing simply that. They are agreeing with what the Bible clearly states. By simply agreeing with God, that is not expressing any anger towards women or anyone else. That is just the false assumption you and others have manifested within your own minds.
 
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AuntieAnt

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God said the world fell because of Adam's sin. Loyaldisciple wants to blame Eve. Why??

Nevertheless, Jesus Christ washed away all our sins so it isn't even an issue anymore except to loyaldisciple. He still sees things as under the curse, not under the grace of Jesus Christ. He's walking not by faith, but by his sight. His way of seeing things.
 

Dino246

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I have not seen anyone on here yet that has said "a woman is not to preach within a church", that has expressed ANY anger towards women at all. That is simply how you and many others have perceived it. Those agreeing with the scriptures are doing simply that. They are agreeing with what the Bible clearly states. By simply agreeing with God, that is not expressing any anger towards women or anyone else. That is just the false assumption you and others have manifested within your own minds.
The Bible does not clearly state, "a woman is not to preach within a church". The Bible does not have a single verse prohibiting women from preaching... in any location.
 
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loyaldisciple

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God said the world fell because of Adam's sin. Loyaldisciple wants to blame Eve. Why??

Nevertheless, Jesus Christ washed away all our sins so it isn't even an issue anymore except to loyaldisciple. He still sees things as under the curse, not under the grace of Jesus Christ. He's walking not by faith, but by his sight. His way of seeing things.
1TIMOTHY 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

1TIMOTHY 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Eve was first to sin and do evil. I said that is where it all began and that is certainly true. I did not say Adam did not also sin. And just maybe God viewed Adam's sin as worse. But that does not make my statement untrue that it "began" with Eve. You know that is true Auntie, so why do you argue that point. God may have viewed Adam's sin as even worse because he was to be in charge. Whatever the case there, that has nothing to do with the fact that Eve sinned first.It appears you just want to argue for the sake of arguing now. What I said is clearly true.
 

Nehemiah6

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Why do some of you get so angry that God uses women?
AA,

There's no need to create straw men to make your point.

No one denies that God uses women, and has used women in the past for many services.


But God Himself commands Christian women to be silent in the churches, and that includes forbidding them to preach, teach, or usurp authority within the churches, while being in submission to their own husbands.

The Scriptures are very clear. So do you REJECT what is plainly stated in Scripture? If so, you should be angry with yourself, and examine your own heart. Don't project anger on men who simply present the Scriptures.
 
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AuntieAnt

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I have not seen anyone on here yet that has said "a woman is not to preach within a church", that has expressed ANY anger towards women at all. That is simply how you and many others have perceived it. Those agreeing with the scriptures are doing simply that. They are agreeing with what the Bible clearly states. By simply agreeing with God, that is not expressing any anger towards women or anyone else. That is just the false assumption you and others have manifested within your own minds.
You have accused those who don't agree with you as a hit squad who hate you and are out to get you, you've condemned members for disagreeing with your interpretation of the scripture, you have tried to bully others who showed Christ's love to a new member who is a Muslim, you complained about this site because it shows fairness to all people including Muslims, and you've posted over 445 posts to prove you're right and everyone who disagrees with you is wrong.

Dude, 445 posts saying the same thing over & over & over expecting different results. Don't you think everyone knows by now what you believe? Bullying people isn't going to change anyone's mind.

You definitely have an anger problem.
 
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AuntieAnt

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AA,

There's no need to create straw men to make your point.

No one denies that God uses women, and has used women in the past for many services.


But God Himself commands Christian women to be silent in the churches, and that includes forbidding them to preach, teach, or usurp authority within the churches, while being in submission to their own husbands.

The Scriptures are very clear. So do you REJECT what is plainly stated in Scripture? If so, you should be angry with yourself, and examine your own heart. Don't project anger on men who simply present the Scriptures.
There's no reason to bully people when it's supposed to be a discussion. Calling someone rebellious and condemning them is not a discussion. I don't agree with you. Get over it.

You keep saying "the scriptures" as if you don't have a personal conversation with God. I don't live what you believe. I live what Christ believes.
 

Nehemiah6

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The Bible does not clearly state, "a woman is not to preach within a church". The Bible does not have a single verse prohibiting women from preaching... in any location.
There's no need to split hairs.

When a man teaches, he also preaches, and one cannot divorce preaching from teaching. Silence within the church EXCLUDES both preaching, teaching, exhortation, or anything else which a preacher may do when ministering the Word of God.

Once someone starts playing semantic games, it is evident that the plain Word of God has no force for that person.
 
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loyaldisciple

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The Bible does not clearly state, "a woman is not to preach within a church". The Bible does not have a single verse prohibiting women from preaching... in any location.
Why do you persist with this nonsense ? We have already been over this simple fact several times. The Bible states "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak". Now, by using simple logic, it is not difficult to figure out that a woman cannot preach in the church without first speaking. You still have not explained to me how she could do that. So, then let's satisfy you by following the Bible to a tee. She cannot speak in the church. That is fine. I believe that is going to pretty much take care of her doing any preaching in the church.
 

Nehemiah6

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There's no reason to bully people when it's supposed to be a discussion
I notice you did not answer my question but accused me of bullying. There was no bullying in that post, but a REITERATION of Bible truth. This has nothing to do with people or personalities. But it does have to do with Divine revelation.
 
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AuntieAnt

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It's pretty deceitful how legalists take a few scriptures and beat everyone over the head with it. But as soon as someone calls them out for condemning others, they scream, "YOU'RE REBELLING AGAINST GOD!"
 
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AuntieAnt

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I notice you did not answer my question but accused me of bullying. There was no bullying in that post, but a REITERATION of Bible truth. This has nothing to do with people or personalities. But it does have to do with Divine revelation.
God speaks to me for Himself, He doesn't need you to interject your opinion.
 
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Whose truth ? Your own as a private interpretation or His as His interpretation of one who was there working in the affairs of men ?
Not my truth. If you read up you will see that I stated exactly where the truth rests. Did I not tell you it was found in the Bible ?
 

Dino246

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There's no need to split hairs.
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Once someone starts playing semantic games, it is evident that the plain Word of God has no force for that person.
Loyaldisciple has claimed to believe exactly what the Bible says, yet repeatedly claims that Scripture says something which it does not say.

When someone misrepresents what Scripture actually says, I will gladly split hairs.

Your comment regarding "semantic games" is not Scripture either.