Are women allowed to Preach?

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loyaldisciple said:
I agree the Holy Spirit is the only one who can change minds. However, that does not negate the fact that Christians are to spread the truth of the Holy Spirit unto others. We are not to encourage people to continue breaking God's rules. We are to encourage others to follow them.
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As Christian the noble breed when we hear other men speak, the Holy Spirit that dwells in us defending us He will move us to search the scriptures .

He warns us of those who say we need a man seen to teach us. Even the Son of man denied to be a daysman as an infallible umpire between God and man.( Job 9). God is not a man as us,

When the Holy Spirit but his words on the lips of Paul, the Spirit of Christ declared the unseen will it moved his children to search the scriptures the one sauce of Christian faith .

Do we need a man or woman to teach the us described in the scriptures ?

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These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.​
 
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Dino246 said:
Fantastic! Truth has won a victory!

One may preach through many different means. As the saying goes, "Preach the gospel always. When necessary, use words."
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You did not answer the question. The question was "If a woman cannot speak in the church, then how can she preach in the church" ?
 
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As Christian the noble breed when we hear other men speak, the Holy Spirit that dwells in us defending us He will move us to search the scriptures .

He warns us of those who say we need a man seen to teach us. Even the Son of man denied to be a daysman as an infallible umpire between God and man.( Job 9). God is not a man as us,

When the Holy Spirit but his words on the lips of Paul, the Spirit of Christ declared the unseen will it moved his children to search the scriptures the one sauce of Christian faith .

Do we need a man or woman to teach the us described in the scriptures ?

Acts 17:11
These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.​
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No, we do not need a man or woman to teach us about God. We can learn about HIM ourselves by reading the Bible and trying our best to follow it. But this has nothing to do with whether a woman is allowed to preach within a church or not. The Bible states that a woman cannot speak in the church, so obviously when one does speak in a church God is calling that person to be a man.
 
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You did not answer the question. The question was "If a woman cannot speak in the church, then how can she preach in the church" ?
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Christian preach Christ not their own selves.Brother It would seem you are preaching another Christ .He pours out the spiritual understanding of His word on men woman and children the time of reformation had come .the shadows disappeared
 
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There are those that expect that another should submit to them. But putting Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, King David, and all the apostles aside, has anyone ever considered whether the Lord God, King of the universe, came to us expecting anyone to submit to Him? Though Jesus noted to Simon that he did not even offer, He hadn't demanded that Mary wash his feet. He did, however, insist that Peter's feet be washed by Him.

I'd be interested in verses where Jesus demanded any sort of service, as I don't see where any common man can expect that which the greatest man living never demanded of anyone.
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Mark 10:45 For even the Son of Man did not come to be served,
but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.

Matthew 20:28 just as the Son of Man did not come to be served,
but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.
 
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loyaldisciple said:
No, we do not need a man or woman to teach us about God. We can learn about HIM ourselves by reading the Bible and trying our best to follow it. But this has nothing to do with whether a woman is allowed to preach within a church or not. The Bible states that a woman cannot speak in the church, so obviously when one does speak in a church God is calling that person to be a man.
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It does much more than lord it over the woman in the church as you propose .It gives reasons why, so we can have His understanding not the understanding of our opinions as private interpretations.
 
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loyaldisciple said:
You did not answer the question. The question was "If a woman cannot speak in the church, then how can she preach in the church" ?
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My response fully answers the question, and is plain and clear, needing no interpretation.

Have a great night! :)
 
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Christian preach Christ not their own selves.Brother It would seem you are preaching another Christ .He pours out the spiritual understanding of His word on men woman and children the time of reformation had come .the shadows disappeared
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I am not preaching any other Christ. I gave you the exact word of God. It is He that has given these orders, it is not me.

1 Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

1 Corinthians 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

1TIM 2:10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.

1TIM 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

1TIM 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

1TIM 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
 
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Mem said:
There are those that expect that another should submit to them. But putting Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, King David, and all the apostles aside, has anyone ever considered whether the Lord God, King of the universe, came to us expecting anyone to submit to Him? Though Jesus noted to Simon that he did not even offer, He hadn't demanded that Mary wash his feet. He did, however, insist that Peter's feet be washed by Him.

I'd be interested in verses where Jesus demanded any sort of service, as I don't see where any common man can expect that which the greatest man living never demanded of anyone.
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There is no man here expecting any kind of service. That is entirely off the topic also.
 
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Magenta said:
Mark 10:45 For even the Son of Man did not come to be served,
but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.

Matthew 20:28 just as the Son of Man did not come to be served,
but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.
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Truth, though this doesn't seem to follow the order of the train of logic that posits that women are to serve God (by serving men) that serve God (by serving Christ) that serves God. So then, since scripture can't be off, then that logic must be missing something somewhere. No?
 
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It does much more than lord it over the woman in the church as you propose .It gives reasons why, so we can have His understanding not the understanding of our opinions as private interpretations.
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The verses I gave you ARE His understanding. They are not my words nor any opinions at all. If anyone is Lording over the woman, as you say, then it is God Himself. He is the one who has issued those commands through Paul.
 
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loyaldisciple said:
There is no man here expecting any kind of service. That is entirely off the topic also.
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It is relevant to the topic if it is being asserted that I may not speak (and/or preach) that I might ascertain what exactly is left for me to do at all.
 
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Mem said:
Truth, though this doesn't seem to follow the order of the train of logic that posits that women are to serve God (by serving men) that serve God (by serving Christ) that serves God. So then, since scripture can't be off, then that logic must be missing something somewhere. No?
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1 Corinthians 11:3 [SUP]3[/SUP]But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.

Here the clear order is given.

God
Christ
Man
Woman
 
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It is relevant to the topic if it is being asserted that I may not speak (and/or preach) that I might ascertain what exactly is left for me to do at all.
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Listen and learn is what the Bible says is left for you to do in the church.
 
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loyaldisciple said:
1 Corinthians 11:3 [SUP]3[/SUP]But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.

Here the clear order is given.

God
Christ
Man
Woman
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Yet, this is offered as reason a woman may not prophesy (speak) without her head covered. How can she prophesy if she cannot speak?
 
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Yet, this is offered as reason a woman may not prophesy (speak) without her head covered.
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It is offered to show the "command structure" God has issued. Other verses apply to a woman's head being covered.
 
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loyaldisciple said:
It is offered to show the "command structure" God has issued. Other verses apply to a woman's head being covered.
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Does the "command structure" permit a woman to speak, if her husband gives her allowance, then?
 
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A woman's covering is her hair. She can prophesy as much as God need s her to prophesy.
 
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Does the "command structure" permit a woman to speak, if her husband gives her allowance, then?
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Not inside the church it doesn't because a specific command has been given to her not to speak in the church. I see no verse stating that she needs to ask any permission to speak outside the church.
 
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