Brother old Major
I like what you stated below and will add my comments below your two statements for review.
This is why you stated “I will give you what I think is the reason behinds God's direction.”
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The creation order is the first reason Paul gives for prohibiting women from teaching or exercising authority in the church.
Paul doesn’t ground his command in cultural considerations or a particular problem with the women in the Ephesian church. Rather, he grounds his command in creation. He says that the reason women are not to teach or exercise authority over men in the church is that....
“Adam was formed first, then Eve”. Paul means that God established Adam as the head and authority of his wife, Eve. God designed men to lead.
Brother, I think it was partly cultural and the best way he knew to try to establish order. Just like when Israel found themselves in the deserts and they thought abandoned by Moses they went with what they knew. Started making golden idols like in Egypt.
However, let’s go with what you stated, Adam was first then Eve. Now if this correct? Then my question is this. Since the church is seen as the bride of Christ, which has come from the same lineage as Israel. Us being born again becoming betrothed to the Son. That we are married to the the groom Jesus the Christ which is the head of the church. Then being all women and subservient now, who amount is then is made worthy to speak on behalf of the head? Is the bride divided? What do we see in the teachings of how a man should treat a woman and how a woman should treat a man in marriage? Then if being born again we are now being given the dower of marriage paid by Jesus, holding to a contract for the marriage supper being the bride of Christ, and therefore subservient to our groom the head Jesus. Then again, who is the woman and who is the head?
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The nature of women is the second reason Paul gives for prohibiting them from teaching or exercising authority in the church.
Paul says, “Adam was not deceived,
but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor” (1 Tim 2:14). Paul is saying something about the natural constitution of men and women, that men as a class are naturally more fitted to teach and have authority in the church, but women are not.
Dr. Wayne Grudem says, “This is by far the most common viewpoint in the history of the interpretation of this passage” (
Evangelical Feminism & Biblical Truth 70).
Brother, what happened when Adam told God she made me do it? Was he any less guilty then her? She didn’t make him eat it. She offered it, he ate it. We are all born sinners and lost. We must realize we are all sinners and from whence we have fallen so we can repent, be forgi n and return. If we are all sinners and it is apparent God didn’t accept, “she made me do it” as a valid argument for sin. I think this argument of authority due to who sinned first is null and void. She did fall first and led him to temptation, but he still did it. That doesn’t make her any less in God’s eyes does it? For if out of the womb of flesh came death, but also out of the womb of flesh came forth the salvation of man and life everlasting. Then who if anyone has made amends in the flesh?
A brother in Christ[/QUOTE]
You did not "Reply" to my post and I just now saw your comments. I will do my best to answer your positions.
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You said.......
"However, let’s go with what you stated, Adam was first then Eve. Now if this correct? "
Lets be on the same page......YES, it is correct NOT IF IT IS CORRECT! The Bible says that God made Adam and Eve from Adam.
Your premise church comes from Israel is flawed. SO from the beginning there is a problem. Israel is Israel and the promised made to Abraham are from them NOT the Church. The Church has not taken the place of Israel.
Promises made to Israel are still going to be kept in the future. We can be sure that all God has said is true and will take place, because of His character and consistency. The Church does not replace Israel and should not expect a symbolic fulfillment of the promises of the Old Covenant. As one reads Scripture, it is necessary to keep Israel and the Church separate.
Since Christ is the HEAD of the church, He has placed MAN as the head of the WOMAN. That in no way divides the Church or the Bride if you prefer.
God made both
male-female equality and male headship, properly defined, and they were instituted by God at creation and remain permanent, beneficent aspects of human existence even to today.
Man and woman are equal in the sense that they bear God’s image equally.
Let me also define male headship:
In the partnership of two spiritually equal human beings, man and woman, the man bears the primary responsibility to lead the partnership in a God-glorifying direction.
Evangelical feminism argues, which is where YOU are coming from, that God created man and woman as equals in a sense that excludes male headship. Male headship/domination (feminism acknowledges no distinction) was imposed upon Eve as a penalty for her part in the fall. It follows, in this view, that a woman’s redemption in Christ releases her from the punishment of male headship.
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#2.
You said......................
The nature of women is the second reason Paul gives for prohibiting them from teaching or exercising authority in the church.
Brother, what happened when Adam told God she made me do it? Was he any less guilty then her? She didn’t make him eat it.
Your argument is well founded, however you are questioning WHY GOD DID WHAT HE DID.
Yes, Eve sinned and blamed Satan. Yes, Adam sinned and blamed Eve. YES we are all sinners. Yes No one made Adam eat the fruit.
ALL of that comes under....."FREEDOM OF CHOICE".
God placed a TEST in front of our grandparents. "Do not eat from TAHT tree".
They disobeyed God, sinned and ate the fruit and then God did what God said He would do. The result was that MAN was paced in authority over the woman because the woman was the FIRST to disobey God.
Life is nothing more that a set of Choices, those choices effect our lives and effect destiny.