Are you a Christian?

[Johnlove]

Living uprightly means having faith in Jesus. Try again.

Is that true? Taking scripture out of context does lead one to a false understanding of God’s written Word.

(1 John 3:9-10) “No one who is a child of God sins because God's seed remains in him. Nor can he sin, because he is a child of God. This is what distinguishes the children of God from the children of the devil: whoever does not live uprightly and does not love his brother is not from God” New Jerusalem bible


(John 12:47-48) “If anyone hears my words and does not keep them faithfully, it is not I who shall condemn him, since I have come not to condemn the world, but to save the world: he who rejects me and refuses my words has his judge already: the word itself that I have spoken will be his judge on the last day.” Jerusalem Bible

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

I have readso mething this morning that seems to be good for this thread, though I might be theo nly one who thinks so.

This man wrote in the 1500's in Italy and appears to have had no connection or dealing with the reformation in other parts of the world, even though he was shown some of the same things!

His name is Juan de Valdes.

"And if man does not know himself as a sinner, then he does not know how to distrust himself concerning his own self-justification. And if he but knew God, and recgonized in Him goodness, mercy and faithfulness, he would readily trust Him and accept the pardon and much more which the gospel offers to him. So that is why I see it is impossible for man, when he neither knows himself nor God, to accept the truth. Nor can he accept the grace of the gospel, or depend upon it.

What then about the Jewish saints when they attempted to justify themselves through the sacrifices that were prescribed by the Law? I answer that the Jewish saints did not base their righteousness upon their sacrifices, but upon the Word of God which promised to pardon them upon the basis of sacrifices.

God no longer asks men to offer sacrifices in order to have reconciliation with Him and the remission of sin. For He has laid upon CHrist the sins of all. So I must either know myself to be righteous in Christ, even though I recognize myselft o be a sinner in myself, or I will deny what the gospel affirms, that God has borne upon Christ the iniquities of us all. Otherwise I am constrained to say that God isu njust, punishing sins twice over: once in Christ and again in me. Since this would be an act of impiety to say this (and to deny the other would be an act of infidelity), it remains that i am constrained to recognize myself as pardoned by and reconciled to God, and thus justified in Christ.

I also learned this: since the impossibility which man findsi n accepting this holy gospel of Christ proceedsf rom his ignorance of himself and of God, it is every mans duty to earnestly know himself and his natural inclinations as derived from Adam, as well as to know God."

 

[Utah]

Is that true? Taking scripture out of context does lead one to a false understanding of God’s written Word.

(1 John 3:9-10) “No one who is a child of God sins because God's seed remains in him. Nor can he sin, because he is a child of God. This is what distinguishes the children of God from the children of the devil: whoever does not live uprightly and does not love his brother is not from God” New Jerusalem bible


(John 12:47-48) “If anyone hears my words and does not keep them faithfully, it is not I who shall condemn him, since I have come not to condemn the world, but to save the world: he who rejects me and refuses my words has his judge already: the word itself that I have spoken will be his judge on the last day.” Jerusalem Bible

No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister.

This means people's hearts will change and not live a sinful life, however, mistakes will be made from time to time. When mistakes are made, we ask for forgiveness, receive that forgiveness, and move on. Freedom of imperfection via God's grace is a really beautiful thing. You should try it.

 

[Johnlove]

I did not ask you that, Please stick to the question.

I asked you if you or anyone does everything their father does..

Do you?

I answered you, but you have chosen not to accept my answer, so I will answer you the way Paul answered those who asked him such an insulting question.

(1 Corinthians 4:4) “My conscience is clear, but that does not vindicate me. It is the Lord who judges me.…”

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I answered you, but you have chosen not to accept my answer, so I will answer you the way Paul answered those who asked him such an insulting question.

(1 Corinthians 4:4) “My conscience is clear, but that does not vindicate me. It is the Lord who judges me.…”

ahh ok.

Consider yourself on ignore. and I can just pray everyone follows my lead.

You did not answer my question. You did a spin around the park..

 

[Johnlove]

No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister.

This means people's hearts will change and not live a sinful life, however, mistakes will be made from time to time. When mistakes are made, we ask for forgiveness, receive that forgiveness, and move on. Freedom of imperfection via God's grace is a really beautiful thing. You should try it.

No that is not what the written Word of God tells us. It tells us a Child of God cannot sin, and will live as Jesus lived. Jesus did not sin.

(1 John 2:5 -6) “Whoever says, 'I know him' without keeping his commandments, is a liar, and truth has no place in him. But anyone who does keep his word, in such a one God's love truly reaches its perfection. This is the proof that we are in God. Whoever claims to remain in him must act as he acted.”
Also Scripture tells us how God made that possible.

(Romans 8:1-4) “The reason, therefore, why those who are in Christ Jesus are not condemned, is that the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death. God has done what the Law, because of our unspiritual nature, was unable to do. God dealt with sin by sending his own Son in a body as physical as any sinful body, and in that body God condemned sin he did this in order the Law’s just demands might be satisfied in us, who behave not as our unspiritual nature but as the spirit dictates.”

 

[Utah]

I have readso mething this morning that seems to be good for this thread, though I might be theo nly one who thinks so.

This man wrote in the 1500's in Italy and appears to have had no connection or dealing with the reformation in other parts of the world, even though he was shown some of the same things!

His name is Juan de Valdes.

"And if man does not know himself as a sinner, then he does not know how to distrust himself concerning his own self-justification. And if he but knew God, and recgonized in Him goodness, mercy and faithfulness, he would readily trust Him and accept the pardon and much more which the gospel offers to him. So that is why I see it is impossible for man, when he neither knows himself nor God, to accept the truth. Nor can he accept the grace of the gospel, or depend upon it.

What then about the Jewish saints when they attempted to justify themselves through the sacrifices that were prescribed by the Law? I answer that the Jewish saints did not base their righteousness upon their sacrifices, but upon the Word of God which promised to pardon them upon the basis of sacrifices.

God no longer asks men to offer sacrifices in order to have reconciliation with Him and the remission of sin. For He has laid upon CHrist the sins of all. So I must either know myself to be righteous in Christ, even though I recognize myself to be a sinner in myself, or I will deny what the gospel affirms, that God has borne upon Christ the iniquities of us all. Otherwise I am constrained to say that God is unjust, punishing sins twice over: once in Christ and again in me. Since this would be an act of impiety to say this (and to deny the other would be an act of infidelity), it remains that i am constrained to recognize myself as pardoned by and reconciled to God, and thus justified in Christ.

I also learned this: since the impossibility which man findsi n accepting this holy gospel of Christ proceedsf rom his ignorance of himself and of God, it is every mans duty to earnestly know himself and his natural inclinations as derived from Adam, as well as to know God."

Outstanding! Thanks for sharing, SBG.

 

[Johnlove]

I have readso mething this morning that seems to be good for this thread, though I might be theo nly one who thinks so.

This man wrote in the 1500's in Italy and appears to have had no connection or dealing with the reformation in other parts of the world, even though he was shown some of the same things!

His name is Juan de Valdes.

"And if man does not know himself as a sinner, then he does not know how to distrust himself concerning his own self-justification. And if he but knew God, and recgonized in Him goodness, mercy and faithfulness, he would readily trust Him and accept the pardon and much more which the gospel offers to him. So that is why I see it is impossible for man, when he neither knows himself nor God, to accept the truth. Nor can he accept the grace of the gospel, or depend upon it.

What then about the Jewish saints when they attempted to justify themselves through the sacrifices that were prescribed by the Law? I answer that the Jewish saints did not base their righteousness upon their sacrifices, but upon the Word of God which promised to pardon them upon the basis of sacrifices.

God no longer asks men to offer sacrifices in order to have reconciliation with Him and the remission of sin. For He has laid upon CHrist the sins of all. So I must either know myself to be righteous in Christ, even though I recognize myselft o be a sinner in myself, or I will deny what the gospel affirms, that God has borne upon Christ the iniquities of us all. Otherwise I am constrained to say that God isu njust, punishing sins twice over: once in Christ and again in me. Since this would be an act of impiety to say this (and to deny the other would be an act of infidelity), it remains that i am constrained to recognize myself as pardoned by and reconciled to God, and thus justified in Christ.

I also learned this: since the impossibility which man findsi n accepting this holy gospel of Christ proceedsf rom his ignorance of himself and of God, it is every mans duty to earnestly know himself and his natural inclinations as derived from Adam, as well as to know God."

The man was obviously a person who still sinned, and a sinner is of the devil. There is no truth in the devil. There is no truth in that person you quoted.

(1 John 3:9-10) “No one who is a child of God sins because God's seed remains in him. Nor can he sin, because he is a child of God. This is what distinguishes the children of God from the children of the devil: whoever does not live uprightly and does not love his brother is not from God” New Jerusalem bible

 

[Utah]

No that is not what the written Word of God tells us. It tells us a Child of God cannot sin, and will live as Jesus lived. Jesus did not sin.

(1 John 2:5 -6) “Whoever says, 'I know him' without keeping his commandments, is a liar, and truth has no place in him. But anyone who does keep his word, in such a one God's love truly reaches its perfection. This is the proof that we are in God. Whoever claims to remain in him must act as he acted.”
Also Scripture tells us how God made that possible.

(Romans 8:1-4) “The reason, therefore, why those who are in Christ Jesus are not condemned, is that the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death. God has done what the Law, because of our unspiritual nature, was unable to do. God dealt with sin by sending his own Son in a body as physical as any sinful body, and in that body God condemned sin he did this in order the Law’s just demands might be satisfied in us, who behave not as our unspiritual nature but as the spirit dictates.”

It most certainly is the Word of God. 1 John 3:9-10 NIV translation.

I know God's grace for imperfect people gets your Fruit of the Looms in a twist, but at the end of the day, that's your problem and your problem only. We who believe in Jesus Christ rejoice in His saving grace, for we know with full confidence, to His glory, that we have received the irrevocable gift of salvation, and there's not a thing you can do to change that. Read it and weep, big boy! Oh by the way, would you like some Scripture that affirms what I just shared?

 

[Utah]

ahh ok.

Consider yourself on ignore. and I can just pray everyone follows my lead.

You did not answer my question. You did a spin around the park..

He won't answer a yes or no question.
He says he's 81 years of age but shows he has yet to achieve that age.
He is a stumbling block regarding God's grace.
He's either a very sick, spiritually imprisoned soul or he's a troll.
If he's sick I shall pray for him; if he's a troll I hope his computer short circuits.

 

[Ultimatum77]

He won't answer a yes or no question.
He says he's 81 years of age but shows he has yet to achieve that age.
He is a stumbling block regarding God's grace.
He's either a very sick, spiritually imprisoned soul or he's a troll.
If he's sick I shall pray for him; if he's a troll I hope his computer short circuits.

His profile says "saved from birth" which is bs....this is a troll and I still can't believe 48 hrs later this thread is still blazing.....it's time to bring out the fire extinguisher......on this thread.....just some troll wanting to waste time and frustrate people.....and the topics are always the same.....this game is getting very old and boring....

 

[Johnlove]

It most certainly is the Word of God. 1 John 3:9-10 NIV translation.

I know God's grace for imperfect people gets your Fruit of the Looms in a twist, but at the end of the day, that's your problem and your problem only. We who believe in Jesus Christ rejoice in His saving grace, for we know with full confidence, to His glory, that we have received the irrevocable gift of salvation, and there's not a thing you can do to change that. Read it and weep, big boy! Oh by the way, would you like some Scripture that affirms what I just shared?

NO a sinner will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Notice the following scripture says people who do wrong/sin will never inherit the Kingdom of God. Those who say they are saved are people. Those who say they believe in Jesus Christ are people, and are included in what Paul said.

(1 Corinthians 6:9-19) “You know perfectly well that people who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God: people of immoral lives, idolaters, adulterers, catamites, sodomites, thieves, usurers, drunkards, slanders and swindlers will never inherit the kingdom of God.”

 

[Utah]

His profile says "saved from birth" which is bs....this is a troll and I still can't believe 48 hrs later this thread is still blazing.....it's time to bring out the fire extinguisher......on this thread.....just some troll wanting to waste time and frustrate people.....and the topics are always the same.....this game is getting very old and boring....

You're right, my Brother, but remember, its great to proclaim God's glory for young Christians so that they may understand the Truth.

 

[Utah]

NO a sinner will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Notice the following scripture says people who do wrong/sin will never inherit the Kingdom of God. Those who say they are saved are people. Those who say they believe in Jesus Christ are people, and are included in what Paul said.

(1 Corinthians 6:9-19) “You know perfectly well that people who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God: people of immoral lives, idolaters, adulterers, catamites, sodomites, thieves, usurers, drunkards, slanders and swindlers will never inherit the kingdom of God.”

I know you hate that imperfect people are saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, but thank God He's in charge and not you. Have a nice day, sinner.

 

[Ultimatum77]

You're right, my Brother, but remember, its great to proclaim God's glory for young Christians so that they may understand the Truth.

God bless you! Especially for your patience lol.....don't know how you keep a cool head with instigators/(trolls) who love conflict and not really posting to learn something just to cause strife. Oh well I guess like Paul said in Philippians 1 whether the gospel is preached out of goodwill or strife either way it's still preached....

[SUP]Phil 1:15-18

15 [/SUP]It is true that some preach Christ out of envy and rivalry, but others out of goodwill. [SUP]16 [/SUP]The latter do so out of love, knowing that I am put here for the defense of the gospel. [SUP]17 [/SUP]The former preach Christ out of selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing that they can stir up trouble for me while I am in chains. [SUP]18 [/SUP]But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice.

 

[Utah]

God bless you! Especially for your patience lol.....don't know how you keep a cool head with instigators/(trolls) who love conflict and not really posting to learn something just to cause strife. Oh well I guess like Paul said in Philippians 1 whether the gospel is preached out of goodwill or strife either way it's still preached....

[SUP]Phil 1:15-18

15 [/SUP]It is true that some preach Christ out of envy and rivalry, but others out of goodwill. [SUP]16 [/SUP]The latter do so out of love, knowing that I am put here for the defense of the gospel. [SUP]17 [/SUP]The former preach Christ out of selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing that they can stir up trouble for me while I am in chains. [SUP]18 [/SUP]But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice.

Thank you, my Brother. My patience is twofold:

1. He is a sinner and a fool for thinking or saying otherwise.

2. God's saving grace in Jesus Christ is real and it is irrevocable regardless of what fools say.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

The man was obviously a person who still sinned, and a sinner is of the devil. There is no truth in the devil. There is no truth in that person you quoted.

(1 John 3:9-10) “No one who is a child of God sins because God's seed remains in him. Nor can he sin, because he is a child of God. This is what distinguishes the children of God from the children of the devil: whoever does not live uprightly and does not love his brother is not from God” New Jerusalem bible

Now if you could jus tmake it all fit together with what Paul said about sin being IN him and that it meant it was not him sinning but was sin IN him, you would be on to something. You have to accept the verses in tension to the verses you quote. You have to permit the confusion about verses being in seeming tension to each other or they will never fit together but will just keep causing division. The confusion is there for us and we have to permit it and admit it or we will never ask God to explain it to us and will just continue on in useless arguing.

As for you trying to convince people who have MET God that they have not met Him, it is a useless exercise. Having experienced meeting Him, no one will ever be swayed by a man armed just with scripture but without having met Him in their own life and experience. We KNOW the one we have believed in and placed our hope and trust in. It is simply impossible to convince a man who has met Him that he hasn't.

 

[Utah]

Now if you could jus tmake it all fit together with what Paul said about sin being IN him and that it meant it was not him sinning but was sin IN him, you would be on to something. You have to accept the verses in tension to the verses you quote. You have to permit the confusion about verses being in seeming tension to each other or they will never fit together but will just keep causing division. The confusion is there for us and we have to permit it and admit it or we will never ask God to explain it to us and will just continue on in useless arguing.

As for you trying to convince people who have MET God that they have not met Him, it is a useless exercise. Having experienced meeting Him, no one will ever be swayed by a man armed just with scripture but without having met Him in their own life and experience. We KNOW the one we have believed in and placed our hope and trust in. It is simply impossible to convince a man who has met Him that he hasn't.

I shared that God answered my prayer and stilled a storm for 15 minutes. Our friend here responded by asking how I knew it was God that answered my prayer. He stated it could have been the devil. Hence, the devil answered my prayer so that I could go forth and glorify God. Like that makes any sense.

 

[Depleted]

Yes I am a Christian, and the way I know that is true, is that the Holy Spirit has given me the grace to keep God’s Word/Commandments. I have answered your question, not tell me how you know that you are a Christian.

I could say I'm six foot tall, 120 pounds, 34-22-36, impeccable skin, piercing hazel eyes, auburn hair, and worth 2.5 billion dollars. Would that somehow prove something to you, simply because I said it?

The only think I'm getting out of your proof is the same thing I got out of your question -- a heaping helping of ain't-I-something along with a side of you-measly-maggots-bow-to-me-while-I-condemn-you-for-whatever-you-say.

 

[posthuman]

My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin.
But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father -- Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.
(1 John 2:1) ​