Are you a Christian?

[Chester]

Well...we can't go the way JohnLove is going, because he is doing two wrong things simultaneously - he is making a law of the New Testament, AND he is not fitting together the verses that are at tension to the ones he favors.

But we also can't go the way of saying that it is impossible to walk sinless in Christ either, because we know that if we abide in Him, we do not sin. So rather than beginning our race of faith with the assumption that He sets the race before us WHILE simultaneously making it impossible, we should race to win!

So our laboring should be to keep abiding in Him! Because when we abide, we do not sin.
But whatever things are not of faith (abiding) and trust in Him are sin.
This includes worries and anxieties about temporal provision as well as worries and anxieties about spiritual provision.

Wow! Some amazing insights here! You should post this on the thread I started: Is it possible for a Christian to live the rest of his life without sin?

 

[Sac49]

We have proved by Scrioture and common sense this argument about "sinlessness". It is now up to God to touch the hearts of those who believe this. Only thru the power of the Holy Spirit can they see the truth. At this point we can only pray that the Holy Spirit would reveal the truth to them in Scripture. There is really no more point to "arguing" our case as we will now only be repeating what we or others have said.

 

[Kosie]

Only if God agrees.

 

[Sac49]

Are you going to pray about it? I did. It seems we keep saying the same things over and over. This isnt a "spoken" conversation. Each and every post can be reread and studied if someone really wants to know the truth. The question is...do we want truth or do we want comfortable? Do we want what God says or do want to "make up" our own "theology"? Its there for all to see.

 

[Utah]

I am assuming that gb9 is actually Johnlove if he is not I humbly apologize for my error.

No my brother, GB9 loves the Lord more than words can express. He is truly a wonderful brother in the Lord. He and I go back a ways and I testify to the sincere depth of his faith in Jesus. It's all good.

 

[Utah]

You can't put words into Jesus Christ's mouth. He told us that if we judge others, then we will be judged. It's as simple as that. There are times we must judge others, but when we do, we will be judged.

"THERE ARE TIMES WE MUST JUDGE."

What do you think I'm doing dude? We are called to judge righteously and many of us are doing so. Yet you're going to spout off that we're going to be judged in a condemned manner? I tell you God is well pleased with our assessment of this heretic and the way we're handling his nonsense.

 

[Kosie]

For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

 

[FlSnookman7]

We can choose to walk in the light of the Truth or not. We can't convince others but we can pray for them.

 

[Tintin]

JohnLove, when was the last time you sinned?

 

[Kosie]

I wonder if God said He would not ever think of the sins again of a righteous man, would the righteous man think of them again? Or would that be wasting holy time? God removed the sin as far as the East is of the West, who can remember? God certainly does not why would His Spirit in a holy man then do otherwise than God?

Would God and the righteous man have the same answer? ...I remember no more!.... Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

But how would a sinner know if this is true or not a sinner is NOT IN TRUTH!

 

[Johnlove]

Hello Johnlove,

The scripture above means exactly what it says. When we received Christ we were credited with righteousness. God imputes righteousness to the believer because of faith in Christ, not because we are without sin. Through Christ the Father sees us as perfect because He met the righteous requirements of the law on our behalf and paid the penalty for our sins. From the time we received Christ God began the process of sanctification, i.e. the process of being made holy, which is life-long.



The commandments of God in the verse is to believe in the One he sent and to love one another.




Regarding the above, I would have to say then that not one single person has every seen him or known him, for we all sin. He is speaking about the person who willfully sins, i.e. continues sowing to the flesh. There is a difference between the believer who is wrestling with sin to overcome it vs. the person who claims to be in Christ and who is not wrestling to overcome sin, but is willfully living according to the sinful nature. Believers are all sinners who are in the process of being perfected, which will come to its fulfillment when we are changed into the immortal and glorified bodies when the Lord appears. Until then we are covered sinners. Yet, the Father sees us as being perfect and that because He is looking at us through Christ, who is perfect.

(John 12:47-48) “If anyone hears my words and does not keep them faithfully, it is not I who shall condemn him, since I have come not to condemn the world, but to save the world: he who rejects me and refuses my words has his judge already: the word itself that I have spoken will be his judge on the last day.” Jerusalem Bible

 

[Utah]

JohnLove, when was the last time you sinned?

My guess is within the last hour. Do I hear 59 minutes? 58? 57? . . .

 

[Johnlove]

I John 2:4-6 - the one who says - I know God! - but does keep on keeping (Greek present tense) his commandments is a liar.
These verses very clearly go on to say that the one who claims to be a Christian will be living ongoingly as Christ did, and will be keeping his Word, etc. Amen and Amen! (But it doesn't say - the Christian will never commit a single act of sin!)

I John 3:5,6 - Verse 5 is a powerful verse that says that Christ was manifested (came to Earth, died, and rose again) so that the power of sin might be destroyed and so that we do not have to sin! There is now power available to live above sin!

Verse 6 - the one who is ongoingly remaining (Greek present tense) in Him will not ongoingly, constantly be sinning (Greek present tense), the one who is ongoingly sinning (Greek present tense) has not seen or known God.

I don't see anything in these verses that say a Christian will never/ cannot commit a single act of sin.

A Christian will not ongoingly continually keep on sinning - that is very, very clear from John writes here.

I agree we need to be careful to say - "The Greek says . . ." -- much harm has been done to God's Word by using Greek as a wrong tool. On the other hand, it is a fact that the New Testament was written in Greek, and unless we are going to say that the English translation has precedence over the original words that God inspired throught the NT writers , we do need to be aware of what the Greek tenses and word meanings convey.

A Christian is a follower of Jesus Christ, and a follower of Jesus Christ becomes a Child of God. A Child of God lives as Jesus lived. Jesus Christ lived keeping his Father’s Will. Keeping the Will of God means one will not ever sin again. Keeping God’s will also means one will keep all of Jesus’ Words.

(1 John 3:9-10) “No one who is a child of God sins because God's seed remains in him. Nor can he sin, because he is a child of God. This is what distinguishes the children of God from the children of the devil: whoever does not live uprightly and does not love his brother is not from God” New Jerusalem bible

(John 12:47-48) “If anyone hears my words and does not keep them faithfully, it is not I who shall condemn him, since I have come not to condemn the world, but to save the world: he who rejects me and refuses my words has his judge already: the word itself that I have spoken will be his judge on the last day.” Jerusalem Bible

 

[Utah]

whoever does not live uprightly and does not love his brother is not from God

Living uprightly means having faith in Jesus. Try again.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

A Christian is a follower of Jesus Christ, and a follower of Jesus Christ becomes a Child of God. A Child of God lives as Jesus lived. Jesus Christ lived keeping his Father’s Will. Keeping the Will of God means one will not ever sin again. Keeping God’s will also means one will keep all of Jesus’ Words.

(1 John 3:9-10) “No one who is a child of God sins because God's seed remains in him. Nor can he sin, because he is a child of God. This is what distinguishes the children of God from the children of the devil: whoever does not live uprightly and does not love his brother is not from God” New Jerusalem bible

(John 12:47-48) “If anyone hears my words and does not keep them faithfully, it is not I who shall condemn him, since I have come not to condemn the world, but to save the world: he who rejects me and refuses my words has his judge already: the word itself that I have spoken will be his judge on the last day.” Jerusalem Bible

did you do everything your father did? Did you act like him in every area? Do you know one son or daughter who ever did?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

johnlove, You have been asked by a few people now. Please answer

When was the last time you sinned?

 

[Johnlove]

John 3:16
[SUP]16 [/SUP]“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

Believe is Faith! When we Believe Jesus is God then we have Faith that Jesus is God. We need first to believe in Jesus, then God GIVES us the Faith needed to receive Him as our Lord and Savior.

We do NOT go seeking for God! God seeks us out!

Romans 3:10-12
[SUP]10 [/SUP]as it is written,“There is none righteous, not even one;
[SUP]11 [/SUP]There is none who understands,
There is none who seeks for God;
[SUP]12 [/SUP]All have turned aside, together they have become useless;
There is none who does good,
There is not even one.”

Yes one is justified by faith in Jesus Christ our Lord and God, but one has to be in Jesus Christ to have faith.

Faith? Faith in Jesus? Then one has to be in Jesus is that not right?

(1 John 2:6) “But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did”


Believing of Jesus, and believing in Jesus are two different things.

When John says one is believing in Jesus, he is saying that one needs to be in Jesus to believe.

You need to read what John says about being in Jesus, or Jesus being in him or her.

(1 John 2:5-6) “But when anyone does obey what he has said, God's love comes to perfection in him." We can be sure that we are in God only when the one who claims to be living in him is living the same kind of life as Christ lived.” Jerusalem Bible

(1 John 2:6) The one who says that he abides in him must live the same way he himself lived. International Standard Version

John says this is how we know we are in him. One who sin can’t believe in Jesus, because they are not living as Jesus lived.

(1 John 3:9) “No one who has been begotten by God sins; because God’s seed remains inside him, he cannot sin when he has been begotten by God.” Jerusalem Bible

(1 John 3:9) “Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.” KJV


Here John says God is in one who does not sin. So Children of God are in God, and God is in them.

(1 John 3: 5 - 6) “Now you know that He appeared in order to abolish sin, and that in Him there is no sin; anyone who lives in God does not sin, and anyone who sins has never seen Him or known Him.”

Here John says if one sins they don’t even know God. One can’t believe in someone they do not even know.

(John 14: 23) “Anyone who loves me will keep my word and my Father will love him, and we shall come to him and make a home in him.”

Jesus told us what one needs to do to have God be in them. Keeping God’s Word includes not sinning.

The reason my argument does not make sense to most people, is because to understand God’s Word and come to know God his or her teacher needs to be God.

(1 Corinthians 2:10-13) “These are the very things that God has revealed to us through the Spirit, for the Spirit reaches the depts. Of everything, even the depths of God. After all, the depths of a man can only be known by his own spirit, not by any other man, and in the same way the depths of God can only be known by the Spirit of God”

 

[Utah]

johnlove, You have been asked by a few people now. Please answer

When was the last time you sinned?

Can I have crickets for $1,000, Alex?

 

[Johnlove]

did you do everything your father did? Did you act like him in every area? Do you know one son or daughter who ever did?

All Children of God live without sinning. God is in his Children, and Satan/sin is not able to ever enter God’s home. God’s home is God’s kingdom, and the devil can’t ever again enter God’s kingdom.

(1 John 3:9-10) “No one who is a child of God sins because God's seed remains in him. Nor can he sin, because he is a child of God. This is what distinguishes the children of God from the children of the devil: whoever does not live uprightly and does not love his brother is not from God” New Jerusalem bible

Jesus told us that God would make a home in those who keep his Word.

(John 14: 23) “Anyone who loves me will keep my word and my Father will love him, and we shall come to him and make a home in him.”

(John 14:21) “Anybody who receives my commandments and keeps them will be one who loves me; and anybody who loves me will be loved by My Father, and I shall love him and show myself to him.”

 

[eternally-gratefull]

All Children of God live without sinning. God is in his Children, and Satan/sin is not able to ever enter God’s home. God’s home is God’s kingdom, and the devil can’t ever again enter God’s kingdom.

(1 John 3:9-10) “No one who is a child of God sins because God's seed remains in him. Nor can he sin, because he is a child of God. This is what distinguishes the children of God from the children of the devil: whoever does not live uprightly and does not love his brother is not from God” New Jerusalem bible

Jesus told us that God would make a home in those who keep his Word.

(John 14: 23) “Anyone who loves me will keep my word and my Father will love him, and we shall come to him and make a home in him.”

(John 14:21) “Anybody who receives my commandments and keeps them will be one who loves me; and anybody who loves me will be loved by My Father, and I shall love him and show myself to him.”

I did not ask you that, Please stick to the question.

I asked you if you or anyone does everything their father does..

Do you?