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Demi777

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What I said IS new Testament. Study the languages and what they truly say and why.

To believe what you posted, one has to ignore most of the New Testament.

You can do that, but if you still sin you are of the devil.

(1 John 3:9-10) “No one who is a child of God sins because God's seed remains in him. Nor can he sin, because he is a child of God. This is what distinguishes the children of God from the children of the devil: whoever does not live uprightly and does not love his brother is not from God” New Jerusalem bible
 
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These scriptures are speaking of striving to be perfect not literally being perfect, who among us is perfect? Can you say to me that you are perfect and that you never sin or mess up ever? if you cannot say this to me then your own doctrine fails you
No for you to believe one can’t become sinless is denying what Jesus came here to do, and you are saying Jesus failed. To believe as you do you need to disbelieve what Apostles John says, and also what Paul said.

(1 John 3:9-10) “No one who is a child of God sins because God's seed remains in him. Nor can he sin, because he is a child of God. This is what distinguishes the children of God from the children of the devil: whoever does not live uprightly and does not love his brother is not from God” New Jerusalem bible

(Romans 8:1-4) “The reason, therefore, why those who are in Christ Jesus are not condemned, is that the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death. God has done what the Law, because of our unspiritual nature, was unable to do. God dealt with sin by sending his own Son in a body as physical as any sinful body, and in that body God condemned sin he did this in order the Law’s just demands might be satisfied in us, who behave not as our unspiritual nature but as the spirit dictates.”
 

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Let's not forget Lot offering his two daughters to the rabble outside as well as getting drunk and having children with them, or David a man after God's heart yet committed adultery ,lies, schemed the death of a man etc.
These were saved all by faith not but living a perfect life. Read Heb 11.
 
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What I said IS new Testament. Study the languages and what they truly say and why.
What you said is man’s teachings of the written Word of God. Also it is a teaching by men who still believe everyone sinned. Those men still sinned, and are of the devil. The teaching you want to believe is of the devil.
 

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To believe what you posted, one has to ignore most of the New Testament.

You can do that, but if you still sin you are of the devil.

(1 John 3:9-10) “No one who is a child of God sins because God's seed remains in him. Nor can he sin, because he is a child of God. This is what distinguishes the children of God from the children of the devil: whoever does not live uprightly and does not love his brother is not from God” New Jerusalem bible
VVhat wonderful good news! This must be the gospel, right? :rolleyes:
 

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I am the walrus, goo goo ga joob! :D
 

Demi777

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Oh well if the teaching of the holy spirit is supposed to be of Satan you just comitted blasphemy of the holy spirit. Well done

What you said is man’s teachings of the written Word of God. Also it is a teaching by men who still believe everyone sinned. Those men still sinned, and are of the devil. The teaching you want to believe is of the devil.
 
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Let's not forget Lot offering his two daughters to the rabble outside as well as getting drunk and having children with them, or David a man after God's heart yet committed adultery ,lies, schemed the death of a man etc.
These were saved all by faith not but living a perfect life. Read Heb 11.
Yes before Jesus came it was not possible for one to never sin. Jesus came to defeat Satan/sin, and made it possible for us to never sin.

(1 John 3:5-6) “Now you know that he appeared in order to abolish sin, and that in him there is no sin; anyone who lives in God does not sin, and anyone who sins has never seen him or known him.”
 

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Let's see. The Corinthians had the Holy Spirit, practiced His gifts but were full of selfishness, striving, party spirit etc. But Paul said they were brethren.
 

Demi777

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The laws were already given in Exodus. With punishments and small blood sacrefices.

Yes before Jesus came it was not possible for one to never sin. Jesus came to defeat Satan/sin, and made it possible for us to never sin.

(1 John 3:5-6) “Now you know that he appeared in order to abolish sin, and that in him there is no sin; anyone who lives in God does not sin, and anyone who sins has never seen him or known him.”
 
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Oh well if the teaching of the holy spirit is supposed to be of Satan you just comitted blasphemy of the holy spirit. Well done
No you did not find your words in the written Word of God. The Bible is God’s Word, and it does not say what you posted.
 
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HisHolly

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Let's not forget Lot offering his two daughters to the rabble outside as well as getting drunk and having children with them, or David a man after God's heart yet committed adultery ,lies, schemed the death of a man etc.
These were saved all by faith not but living a perfect life. Read Heb 11.
They didn't have the ability that we do to live right so the standard they had isn't what we have.. We have no excuse... The point of bringing them up was about faith.. Doesn't negate 1J 3 as being absolutely true...
 
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Let's see. The Corinthians had the Holy Soirit, practiced His gifts but were full os selfishness, striving, party spirit etc. But Paul said they were brethren.
Yes and if they kept on sinning then Paul said not to have anything to do with them.

(1 Corinthians 5:11) “What I wrote was that you should not associate with a brother Christian who is leading an immoral life, or is a usurer, or idolatrous, or a slanderer, or a drunkard or is dishonest; you should not even eat a meal with people like that.”
 

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Yes before Jesus came it was not possible for one to never sin. Jesus came to defeat Satan/sin, and made it possible for us to never sin.

(1 John 3:5-6) “Now you know that he appeared in order to abolish sin, and that in him there is no sin; anyone who lives in God does not sin, and anyone who sins has never seen him or known him.”
Yes, and after Jesus came we still sin (even though it is not our desire to), we still get sick, we still die ...until the day of redemption of our bodies.
 
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HisHolly

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The problem with scripts not being taken as literally true is that people look around and assume bc this person is "ok" it must not be exactly so... Nobody but the Godhead and that individual knows the full story... That's dangerous to rest your salvation on what you assume is happening
 

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But what you fail to realize is that it is not about our perfection but the perfection of Christ. By looking at it as our perfection you have immediately put yourself before God thus sinning. It is what Christ did for us not what we do for Christ that gains us eternal life.

No we are not to keep letting sin rule our lives and stay in sin. This is not an "excuse" to sin. It is about letting Christ guid us and build us so we can kerp from sinning. Shoot, even Paul called himself the "chief sinner". He also tells us that he strughled with nit doing what he should but doing what he shouldnt. Sanctification is a growing process where we let God do His work in us. It is a lifestyle chage from being slaves to sin to slaves to God.
 

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Yes and if they kept on sinning then Paul said not to have anything to do with them.

(1 Corinthians 5:11) “What I wrote was that you should not associate with a brother Christian who is leading an immoral life, or is a usurer, or idolatrous, or a slanderer, or a drunkard or is dishonest; you should not even eat a meal with people like that.”
We're not talking of habitual sinning and gleeing in it, but Christians have lapses into sin and repent of it.
Your drivel only brings on despair, not hope.