ask Word of Faith! WOF

[wanderer6059]

Ok,
lets try this again. You believe WOF. Right? And WOF has a set of beliefs. So are you WOF or are you saying you disagree with them. I dont need you to defend it,we know what WOF believes,you'd just be restating that.

yes, and we do. i go to Kennith Hagins church, it is WoF

this is what we believe, let me know what you think is wrong
THE SCRIPTURES—The Bible is the inspired Word of God, the product of holy men of old who spoke and wrote as they were moved by the Holy Spirit. The New Covenant, as recorded in the New Testament, we accept as our infallible guide in matters pertaining to conduct and doctrine (2 Tim. 3:16; 1 Thess. 2:13; 2 Peter 1:21).

THE GODHEAD—Our God is One, but manifested in three Persons—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, being coequal (Deut. 6:4; Phil. 2:6). God the Father is greater than all; the Sender of the Word (Logos) and the Begetter (John 14:28; John 16:28; John 1:14). The Son is the Word flesh-covered, the One Begotten, and has existed with the Father from the beginning (John 1:1; John 1:18; John 1:14). The Holy Spirit proceeds forth from both the Father and the Son and is eternal (John 14:16; John 15:26).
MAN, HIS FALL AND REDEMPTION—Man is a created being, made in the likeness and image of God, but through Adam’s transgression and fall, sin came into the world. The Bible says “...all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God,” and “...There is none righteous, no, not one” (Rom. 3:10; 3:23). Jesus Christ, the Son of God, was manifested to undo the works of the devil and gave His life and shed His blood to redeem and restore man back to God (Rom. 5:14; 1 John 3:8).
Salvation is the gift of God to man, separate from works and the Law, and is made operative by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, producing works acceptable to God (Eph. 2:8–10).
ETERNAL LIFE AND THE NEW BIRTH—Man’s first step toward salvation is godly sorrow that worketh repentance. The New Birth is necessary to all men, and when experienced, produces eternal life (2 Cor. 7:10; John 3:3–5; 1 John 5:12).
WATER BAPTISM—Baptism in water is by immersion, is a direct commandment of our Lord, and is for believers only. The ordinance is a symbol of the Christian’s identification with Christ in His death, burial, and resurrection (Matt. 28:19; Rom. 6:4; Col. 2:12; Acts 8:36–39).
The following recommendation regarding the water baptismal formula is adopted; to wit: “On the confession of your faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and by His authority, I baptize you in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.”
BAPTISM IN THE HOLY GHOST—The Baptism in the Holy Ghost and fire is a gift from God as promised by the Lord Jesus Christ to all believers in this dispensation and is received subsequent to the new birth. This experience is accompanied by the initial evidence of speaking in other tongues as the Holy Spirit Himself gives utterance (Matt. 3:11; John 14:16,17; Acts 1:8; Acts 2:38,39; Acts 19:1–7; Acts 2:1–4).
SANCTIFICATION—The Bible teaches that without holiness no man can see the Lord. We believe in the Doctrine of Sanctification as a definite, yet progressive work of grace, commencing at the time of regeneration and continuing until the consummation of salvation at Christ’s return (Heb. 12:14; 1 Thess. 5:23; 2 Peter 3:18; 2 Cor. 3:18; Phil. 3:12–14; 1 Cor. 1:30).
DIVINE HEALING—Healing is for the physical ills of the human body and is wrought by the power of God through the prayer of faith, and by the laying on of hands. It is provided for in the atonement of Christ, and is the privilege of every member of the Church today (James 5:14,15; Mark 16:18; Isa. 53:4,5; Matt. 8:17; 1 Peter 2:24).
RESURRECTION OF THE JUST AND THE RETURN OF OUR LORD—The angels said to Jesus’ disciples, “...This same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.” His coming is imminent. When He comes, “...The dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air...” (Acts 1:11; 1 Thess. 4:16,17).
Following the Tribulation, He shall return to earth as King of kings, and Lord of lords, and together with His saints, who shall be kings and priests, He shall reign a thousand years (Rev. 5:10; 20:6).
HELL AND ETERNAL RETRIBUTION—The one who physically dies in his sins without accepting Christ is hopelessly and eternally lost in the lake of fire and, therefore, has no further opportunity of hearing the Gospel or repenting. The lake of fire is literal. The terms “eternal” and “everlasting,” used in describing the duration of the punishment of the damned in the lake of fire, carry the same thought and meaning of endless existence as used in denoting the duration of joy and ecstasy of saints in the Presence of God (Heb. 9:27; Rev. 19:20).

that is from the churches website, if you want me to justify any of it further ask and i will sister!

 

[bluto]

i know the mistakes of our past, i know we have caused a lot of pain. but i see the path we are on, and it is the right direction, it is focused now and i see the will of God in it brother. some may still walk the wrong ways but i know my footsteps, i seek His will, i know i am human like them and will make my own mistakes brother, but no... no denomination is perfect, if you said yours im sure it has its own past.

Look wanderer, this is "NOT" some small matter of simply making mistakes. Were talking about actual false prophets who teach heresy. Have you ever read what the Apostle Paul said at Acts 20:27-31? Please read it and you tell me who these wolves are that are "WITHIN" the Church?

And here is another site listing wof teachers and preachers and what they teach. Can you please provide me any proof or evidence that any one of them has retracted their teachings and have left wof? Word Of Faith Movement You have fallen for their party line hook, line and sinker. Furthermore, my trick knee tells me (judging from your age) that you duped by your emotions into wof and not by comparing what they teach to what the Bible teaches.

Jesus Christ (according to kenneth copeland and others) did not go to hell and was tortured there by Satan and his minions and He/Jesus was born again in hell and then God the Father yelled out "Enough" and then Jesus was resurrected a born again man. If you don't believe me I can document what I'm saying and I don't want to hear that I'm taking copeland out of context. I have tons of wof materals I gave away many many years ago to my friends who left the wof movement.

And a couple of them went to Rehema and sat at the feet of dad hagin and others of his ilk. Thankfully God opened their eyes and I highly suggest that you do the same. Finally, I find it interesting that if wof is all cracked up to be why do you feel the need to say the following: " i thought it would be nice to answer and questions you might have, confirm WOF teaching to you, and clear up any misconceptions might be out there," If it's of God would it not stand on its own merits? God does not need you to protect truth, if it is indeed truth, which it is not. Please read Matthew 7:15-22.

IN HINN,
bluto

 

[wanderer6059]

Look wanderer, this is "NOT" some small matter of simply making mistakes. Were talking about actual false prophets who teach heresy. Have you ever read what the Apostle Paul said at Acts 20:27-31? Please read it and you tell me who these wolves are that are "WITHIN" the Church?

And here is another site listing wof teachers and preachers and what they teach. Can you please provide me any proof or evidence that any one of them has retracted their teachings and have left wof? Word Of Faith Movement You have fallen for their party line hook, line and sinker. Furthermore, my trick knee tells me (judging from your age) that you duped by your emotions into wof and not by comparing what they teach to what the Bible teaches.

Jesus Christ (according to kenneth copeland and others) did not go to hell and was tortured there by Satan and his minions and He/Jesus was born again in hell and then God the Father yelled out "Enough" and then Jesus was resurrected a born again man. If you don't believe me I can document what I'm saying and I don't want to hear that I'm taking copeland out of context. I have tons of wof materals I gave away many many years ago to my friends who left the wof movement.

And a couple of them went to Rehema and sat at the feet of dad hagin and others of his ilk. Thankfully God opened their eyes and I highly suggest that you do the same.

IN HINN,
bluto

alright bring it here, tell me where i take scripture out of context don't post some link use your own words. and show me the error

btw again this is the Churches(Rhema) stated beliefs

[h=2]THE SCRIPTURES—The Bible is the inspired Word of God, the product of holy men of old who spoke and wrote as they were moved by the Holy Spirit. The New Covenant, as recorded in the New Testament, we accept as our infallible guide in matters pertaining to conduct and doctrine (2 Tim. 3:16; 1 Thess. 2:13; 2 Peter 1:21).[/h][FONT=&quot]THE GODHEAD—Our God is One, but manifested in three Persons—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, being coequal (Deut. 6:4; Phil. 2:6). God the Father is greater than all; the Sender of the Word (Logos) and the Begetter (John 14:28; John 16:28; John 1:14). The Son is the Word flesh-covered, the One Begotten, and has existed with the Father from the beginning (John 1:1; John 1:18; John 1:14). The Holy Spirit proceeds forth from both the Father and the Son and is eternal (John 14:16; John 15:26).[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]MAN, HIS FALL AND REDEMPTION—Man is a created being, made in the likeness and image of God, but through Adam’s transgression and fall, sin came into the world. The Bible says “...all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God,” and “...There is none righteous, no, not one” (Rom. 3:10; 3:23). Jesus Christ, the Son of God, was manifested to undo the works of the devil and gave His life and shed His blood to redeem and restore man back to God (Rom. 5:14; 1 John 3:8).
Salvation is the gift of God to man, separate from works and the Law, and is made operative by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, producing works acceptable to God (Eph. 2:8–10).[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]ETERNAL LIFE AND THE NEW BIRTH—Man’s first step toward salvation is godly sorrow that worketh repentance. The New Birth is necessary to all men, and when experienced, produces eternal life (2 Cor. 7:10; John 3:3–5; 1 John 5:12).[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]WATER BAPTISM—Baptism in water is by immersion, is a direct commandment of our Lord, and is for believers only. The ordinance is a symbol of the Christian’s identification with Christ in His death, burial, and resurrection (Matt. 28:19; Rom. 6:4; Col. 2:12; Acts 8:36–39).[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The following recommendation regarding the water baptismal formula is adopted; to wit: “On the confession of your faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and by His authority, I baptize you in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]BAPTISM IN THE HOLY GHOST—The Baptism in the Holy Ghost and fire is a gift from God as promised by the Lord Jesus Christ to all believers in this dispensation and is received subsequent to the new birth. This experience is accompanied by the initial evidence of speaking in other tongues as the Holy Spirit Himself gives utterance (Matt. 3:11; John 14:16,17; Acts 1:8; Acts 2:38,39; Acts 19:1–7; Acts 2:1–4).[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]SANCTIFICATION—The Bible teaches that without holiness no man can see the Lord. We believe in the Doctrine of Sanctification as a definite, yet progressive work of grace, commencing at the time of regeneration and continuing until the consummation of salvation at Christ’s return (Heb. 12:14; 1 Thess. 5:23; 2 Peter 3:18; 2 Cor. 3:18; Phil. 3:12–14; 1 Cor. 1:30).[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]DIVINE HEALING—Healing is for the physical ills of the human body and is wrought by the power of God through the prayer of faith, and by the laying on of hands. It is provided for in the atonement of Christ, and is the privilege of every member of the Church today (James 5:14,15; Mark 16:18; Isa. 53:4,5; Matt. 8:17; 1 Peter 2:24).[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]RESURRECTION OF THE JUST AND THE RETURN OF OUR LORD—The angels said to Jesus’ disciples, “...This same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.” His coming is imminent. When He comes, “...The dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air...” (Acts 1:11; 1 Thess. 4:16,17).[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Following the Tribulation, He shall return to earth as King of kings, and Lord of lords, and together with His saints, who shall be kings and priests, He shall reign a thousand years (Rev. 5:10; 20:6).[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]HELL AND ETERNAL RETRIBUTION—The one who physically dies in his sins without accepting Christ is hopelessly and eternally lost in the lake of fire and, therefore, has no further opportunity of hearing the Gospel or repenting. The lake of fire is literal. The terms “eternal” and “everlasting,” used in describing the duration of the punishment of the damned in the lake of fire, carry the same thought and meaning of endless existence as used in denoting the duration of joy and ecstasy of saints in the Presence of God (Heb. 9:27; Rev. 19:20).[/FONT]

 

[bluto]

First of all wanderer I did not say you were taking scripture out of context. I said don't accuse me of taking wof quotes out of context because I'm not. I have many primary tapes, books and other materials to prove that their words are not being taken out of context.

Now, you just gave me a list of their stated beliefs and I can tell you first hand that kenneth copeland made a prophecy that Jesus never claimed to be God. So wanderer, before I continue will you please answer the following question? "Did Jesus Christ claim to be God in the Bible?"

IN HINN,
bluto

 

[kaylagrl]

yes, and we do. i go to Kennith Hagins church, it is WoF

this is what we believe, let me know what you think is wrong
THE SCRIPTURES—The Bible is the inspired Word of God, the product of holy men of old who spoke and wrote as they were moved by the Holy Spirit. The New Covenant, as recorded in the New Testament, we accept as our infallible guide in matters pertaining to conduct and doctrine (2 Tim. 3:16; 1 Thess. 2:13; 2 Peter 1:21).

THE GODHEAD—Our God is One, but manifested in three Persons—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, being coequal (Deut. 6:4; Phil. 2:6). God the Father is greater than all; the Sender of the Word (Logos) and the Begetter (John 14:28; John 16:28; John 1:14). The Son is the Word flesh-covered, the One Begotten, and has existed with the Father from the beginning (John 1:1; John 1:18; John 1:14). The Holy Spirit proceeds forth from both the Father and the Son and is eternal (John 14:16; John 15:26).
MAN, HIS FALL AND REDEMPTION—Man is a created being, made in the likeness and image of God, but through Adam’s transgression and fall, sin came into the world. The Bible says “...all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God,” and “...There is none righteous, no, not one” (Rom. 3:10; 3:23). Jesus Christ, the Son of God, was manifested to undo the works of the devil and gave His life and shed His blood to redeem and restore man back to God (Rom. 5:14; 1 John 3:8).
Salvation is the gift of God to man, separate from works and the Law, and is made operative by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, producing works acceptable to God (Eph. 2:8–10).
ETERNAL LIFE AND THE NEW BIRTH—Man’s first step toward salvation is godly sorrow that worketh repentance. The New Birth is necessary to all men, and when experienced, produces eternal life (2 Cor. 7:10; John 3:3–5; 1 John 5:12).
WATER BAPTISM—Baptism in water is by immersion, is a direct commandment of our Lord, and is for believers only. The ordinance is a symbol of the Christian’s identification with Christ in His death, burial, and resurrection (Matt. 28:19; Rom. 6:4; Col. 2:12; Acts 8:36–39).
The following recommendation regarding the water baptismal formula is adopted; to wit: “On the confession of your faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and by His authority, I baptize you in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.”
BAPTISM IN THE HOLY GHOST—The Baptism in the Holy Ghost and fire is a gift from God as promised by the Lord Jesus Christ to all believers in this dispensation and is received subsequent to the new birth. This experience is accompanied by the initial evidence of speaking in other tongues as the Holy Spirit Himself gives utterance (Matt. 3:11; John 14:16,17; Acts 1:8; Acts 2:38,39; Acts 19:1–7; Acts 2:1–4).
SANCTIFICATION—The Bible teaches that without holiness no man can see the Lord. We believe in the Doctrine of Sanctification as a definite, yet progressive work of grace, commencing at the time of regeneration and continuing until the consummation of salvation at Christ’s return (Heb. 12:14; 1 Thess. 5:23; 2 Peter 3:18; 2 Cor. 3:18; Phil. 3:12–14; 1 Cor. 1:30).
DIVINE HEALING—Healing is for the physical ills of the human body and is wrought by the power of God through the prayer of faith, and by the laying on of hands. It is provided for in the atonement of Christ, and is the privilege of every member of the Church today (James 5:14,15; Mark 16:18; Isa. 53:4,5; Matt. 8:17; 1 Peter 2:24).
RESURRECTION OF THE JUST AND THE RETURN OF OUR LORD—The angels said to Jesus’ disciples, “...This same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.” His coming is imminent. When He comes, “...The dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air...” (Acts 1:11; 1 Thess. 4:16,17).
Following the Tribulation, He shall return to earth as King of kings, and Lord of lords, and together with His saints, who shall be kings and priests, He shall reign a thousand years (Rev. 5:10; 20:6).
HELL AND ETERNAL RETRIBUTION—The one who physically dies in his sins without accepting Christ is hopelessly and eternally lost in the lake of fire and, therefore, has no further opportunity of hearing the Gospel or repenting. The lake of fire is literal. The terms “eternal” and “everlasting,” used in describing the duration of the punishment of the damned in the lake of fire, carry the same thought and meaning of endless existence as used in denoting the duration of joy and ecstasy of saints in the Presence of God (Heb. 9:27; Rev. 19:20).

that is from the churches website, if you want me to justify any of it further ask and i will sister!

My pastor friend attends Hagins church.He has preached himself for years and years. His wife took sick a couple of years ago. Since WOF doesn't claim sickness he was devastated when his wife passed away. He confidentially said "all I have ever believed and preached is in question" I dont think he has come to terms with it yet. Hagan took much of his beliefs off someone else and ran with it. If you read some of the things he has said in his books or on tv you would know that he is out of line with the Word.

 

[Desertsrose]

I have not been in one of these so-called WOF churches for over 20 years so I don't know what is being taught now in them and I am sure that most of them are different too. Sometimes people do go in the ditch in some things and so we are quick to throw the whole baby out with the dirty water.

Hi Grace 777

Just so you know, sometimes the baby needs to be thrown out with the dirty bath water. It may look and act like a baby, but it's a counterfeit baby so throw it out. The baby and the water are both dirty.

If anyone saw Todd Bentley's ministry, I don't think you could follow this man. He talks to an angel, and quite frankly he is a play actor who puts on a show who kicks people onstage to receive more of the Holy Spirit and laughs about it. He was at a church in Florida for weeks and all the so called healings could not be proved. He also had a wife and children while committing adultery with a younger woman. He's now divorced. Such a deception! He so admired a glorified prophet named Bob Jones who was a part of IHOP. Bob Jones told him that he talks to an angel and this angel has a name. Shortly afterwards Todd Bentley began telling his followers all about his angel that talks to him and he speaks to it.

So wouldn't you agree at times we must throw out the baby with the bath water? Since you haven't been in it for a while, it's only gotten worse.

So those who speak against the WOF are talking about their doctrines. So let's focus here on some of the WOF doctrines.

Also, Hagin is lauded as beginning the WOF beliefs. He got his information from E.W. Kenyon. Have you ever heard of him or read what he taught?

The doctrines of the WOF movement are in the ditch to stay. It's based on man's philosophy. Any church or movement can say the right things, but what are their actions showing. Because we do what we believe. If I say Jesus is Lord and then in my actions I show that I am Lord of my own destiny, then what I say is not what I believe.

If the WOF doctrine teaches you're not baptized in the Holy Spirt unless you speak in tongues, they obviously aren't following the truth written in God's word nor are they following the truth of the Gospel. Others say you're not saved unless you speak in tongues. Again, it's not the Gospel.

They say you speak things into existence. You can have what you say. Only speak positively. Again not biblical or a part of the Gospel.

Sin is not in their vocabulary. Satan is the author of sin in your life. So it's not my sin that I need to repent of, it's the devil who did whatever and they bind his power, etc. That's how they deal with the negative. I know of a couple that casts demons out of themselves daily. So any confession you hear is what they want from God. A healing, a sports car, a 2 story house, whatever it is they confess they have it, they claim they have it and it's theirs.

Jesus dying on the cross wasn't good enough to redeem mankind. He had to suffer in hell and was tortured and he had to be born again in order to redeem the world of sin.

They receive ongoing revelation knowledge. They are like fortune tellers, telling people what's going to happen to them in the future. A guy came to one of our churches and the pastor selected a group of about 30 people to attend a meeting. He went around the room telling us what was in our future. No one in our group that I know of received what it was that this man said would happen. The following Sunday he had words for the whole congregation and gave specifics for a few of them. God is not a fortune teller. He's told us in His word how to live and to trust Him with our future.

And now we are all little gods. And we have a faith force that empowers our words that so whatever we speak we have.

Sin, sickness and sufferings are not in their vocabulary except to demand, command, confess them away and claim healing and peace without trouble. I was even chastised for telling one friend to give thanks in all things and trust God with the situation she was experiencing. She immediately out loud claimed and confessed the broken relationship restored.

So the WOF is all about success, health, prosperity, utopia - it's heaven without sin, sickness, pain suffering, sorrow or weeping on earth now. Take the whole into consideration, what is their foundation? Christ is not their cornerstone and they're not building on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, they aren't following the true word of God.

FYI - a synopsis of WOF: http://www.watchman.org/profiles/pdf/wordfaithprofile.pdf

 

[Desertsrose]

My pastor friend attends Hagins church.He has preached himself for years and years. His wife took sick a couple of years ago. Since WOF doesn't claim sickness he was devastated when his wife passed away. He confidentially said "all I have ever believed and preached is in question" I dont think he has come to terms with it yet. Hagan took much of his beliefs off someone else and ran with it. If you read some of the things he has said in his books or on tv you would know that he is out of line with the Word.

Kayla, so very sad. I'll pray for him now. The guys name is E.W. Kenyon.

 

[HisHolly]

Thats between him and God. If everything he ever believed and preached is in question then I'd wonder why he was preaching in the first place.. Messages, true ones come by Revelation, teaching from God.. That can't be credited to a humans account if he now doubts.

My pastor friend attends Hagins church.He has preached himself for years and years. His wife took sick a couple of years ago. Since WOF doesn't claim sickness he was devastated when his wife passed away. He confidentially said "all I have ever believed and preached is in question" I dont think he has come to terms with it yet. Hagan took much of his beliefs off someone else and ran with it. If you read some of the things he has said in his books or on tv you would know that he is out of line with the Word.

 

[CharlieGrown]

Thats between him and God. If everything he ever believed and preached is in question then I'd wonder why he was preaching in the first place..

Exactly! WOF, why practice it? It's superstition at a minimum and manipulation aka witchcraft at it's worst.

 

[Grace777x70]

Hi Grace 777

Just so you know, sometimes the baby needs to be thrown out with the dirty bath water. It may look and act like a baby, but it's a counterfeit baby so throw it out. The baby and the water are both dirty.

If anyone saw Todd Bentley's ministry, I don't think you could follow this man. He talks to an angel, and quite frankly he is a play actor who puts on a show who kicks people onstage to receive more of the Holy Spirit and laughs about it. He was at a church in Florida for weeks and all the so called healings could not be proved. He also had a wife and children while committing adultery with a younger woman. He's now divorced. Such a deception! He so admired a glorified prophet named Bob Jones who was a part of IHOP. Bob Jones told him that he talks to an angel and this angel has a name. Shortly afterwards Todd Bentley began telling his followers all about his angel that talks to him and he speaks to it.

So wouldn't you agree at times we must throw out the baby with the bath water? Since you haven't been in it for a while, it's only gotten worse.

So those who speak against the WOF are talking about their doctrines. So let's focus here on some of the WOF doctrines.

Also, Hagin is lauded as beginning the WOF beliefs. He got his information from E.W. Kenyon. Have you ever heard of him or read what he taught?

The doctrines of the WOF movement are in the ditch to stay. It's based on man's philosophy. Any church or movement can say the right things, but what are their actions showing. Because we do what we believe. If I say Jesus is Lord and then in my actions I show that I am Lord of my own destiny, then what I say is not what I believe.

If the WOF doctrine teaches you're not baptized in the Holy Spirt unless you speak in tongues, they obviously aren't following the truth written in God's word nor are they following the truth of the Gospel. Others say you're not saved unless you speak in tongues. Again, it's not the Gospel.

They say you speak things into existence. You can have what you say. Only speak positively. Again not biblical or a part of the Gospel.

Sin is not in their vocabulary. Satan is the author of sin in your life. So it's not my sin that I need to repent of, it's the devil who did whatever and they bind his power, etc. That's how they deal with the negative. I know of a couple that casts demons out of themselves daily. So any confession you hear is what they want from God. A healing, a sports car, a 2 story house, whatever it is they confess they have it, they claim they have it and it's theirs.

Jesus dying on the cross wasn't good enough to redeem mankind. He had to suffer in hell and was tortured and he had to be born again in order to redeem the world of sin.

They receive ongoing revelation knowledge. They are like fortune tellers, telling people what's going to happen to them in the future. A guy came to one of our churches and the pastor selected a group of about 30 people to attend a meeting. He went around the room telling us what was in our future. No one in our group that I know of received what it was that this man said would happen. The following Sunday he had words for the whole congregation and gave specifics for a few of them. God is not a fortune teller. He's told us in His word how to live and to trust Him with our future.

And now we are all little gods. And we have a faith force that empowers our words that so whatever we speak we have.

Sin, sickness and sufferings are not in their vocabulary except to demand, command, confess them away and claim healing and peace without trouble. I was even chastised for telling one friend to give thanks in all things and trust God with the situation she was experiencing. She immediately out loud claimed and confessed the broken relationship restored.

So the WOF is all about success, health, prosperity, utopia - it's heaven without sin, sickness, pain suffering, sorrow or weeping on earth now. Take the whole into consideration, what is their foundation? Christ is not their cornerstone and they're not building on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, they aren't following the true word of God.

FYI - a synopsis of WOF: http://www.watchman.org/profiles/pdf/wordfaithprofile.pdf

I have found that sometimes people "twist" what is said to make it appear to be something else so in every accusation I would have to see the source itself and not someone else's "take" on what was said.

As I have said I don't agree with all that the WOF people say nor do I believe in all that any denomination or minister says from Baptists to Pentecostal and all in between - as well as any Greek scholar or commentary either as it is their opinion too. I do take into consideration what they are saying though and pray about it. They are a great resource but the final say is the witness in my spirit and that witness will never manifest itself in bitterness, malice or slander.

There are Baptists denominations that say that people that speak in tongues are of the devil. Do I throw out all Baptists now because of that? That can be called a heresy by some as far as calling people of the devil because they speak in tongues to their Father.

The other aspect is - has any one of us said things in the past that we found out is not entirely accurate? I know I have.

Are people allowed to change their mind on subjects as they get more light on it? If so, should we continue to accuse them of things said 20-30 years ago and continue to malign them over it? If so, then the accuser of the brethren will have a field day with all of us.

And Desertsrose - you are 100% entitled to your own opinion just like the rest of us. I will not call you a heretic because you believe something different....

I believe we should be very careful about how we speak about others in the body of Christ.

Jesus told Paul "Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?" Jesus equated persecuting Christians as persecuting Him. Paul thought he was doing "God's work" in getting rid of these heretical people that were going against the "word of God" as he viewed it.

Anyway , I am off to play some pickleball. Have a great rest of the night. Bless you.

 

[bluto]

Kayla, so very sad. I'll pray for him now. The guys name is E.W. Kenyon.

Umn, excuse me desertrose, but E.W.Kenyon is the founder of the word of faith movement. He was also in to metaphysical and new thought teachings of a man named phineas quimby. These are what would be termed, "mind science" teachings that found its way into the church. Kenyon died in 1948 so it's a little late to be praying for him. You should be praying for present day people who are ensnared in wof teachings to run to the nearest exit.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[kaylagrl]

Thats between him and God. If everything he ever believed and preached is in question then I'd wonder why he was preaching in the first place.. Messages, true ones come by Revelation, teaching from God.. That can't be credited to a humans account if he now doubts.

Well,first off that is a rather callous answer. He has preached it because like wanderer he believed the WOF teaching that he has been under for years. And yes it can be credited to humans if false doctrines are taught and dressed up as truth,people can be deceived. Your response is coming across as obnoxious to me.

 

[CeileDe]

I think I might just start studying up more on WoF. You all have inspired me to search this denomination out. Matter of fact I think there is one in my town, might have to check it out this Sunday

 

[CharlieGrown]

I think I might just start studying up more on WoF. You all have inspired me to search this denomination out. Matter of fact I think there is one in my town, might have to check it out this Sunday

No offense, but I suggested that several pages back. This is pretty much a slam dunk debate in favor of WOF being false doctrine.

 

[CeileDe]

No offense, but I suggested that several pages back. This is pretty much a slam dunk debate in favor of WOF being false doctrine.

I don't see it as a slam dunk case. I'm actually going not to attack it but to see about learning. If the church is sound then maybe i'll attend it weekly.

 

[HisHolly]

If he's preaching? that can only come from God.. what was he preaching then? Another's belief? No it's not credited to another. We are able to think for ourselves. It's an easy way to shift responsibility.

Well,first off that is a rather callous answer. He has preached it because like wanderer he believed the WOF teaching that he has been under for years. And yes it can be credited to humans if false doctrines are taught and dressed up as truth,people can be deceived. Your response is coming across as obnoxious to me.

False teachers are accountable for themselves but so are we.

 

[CharlieGrown]

I don't see it as a slam dunk case. I'm actually going not to attack it but to see about learning. If the church is sound then maybe i'll attend it weekly.

I lived through it, you'll never convince me it is anything other than slammed.

 

[CeileDe]

I lived through it, you'll never convince me it is anything other than slammed.

And you won't convince me it is heretical denomination. I'd say quit living in the past and see what it is about today. Maybe there are people in the WoF trying to make a change and that change is happening.

 

[CharlieGrown]

And you won't convince me it is heretical denomination. I'd say quit living in the past and see what it is about today. Maybe there are people in the WoF trying to make a change and that change is happening.

Lol, really? You know me so well, and how I'm living in the past and all...that post says more about you than me pal.

 

[kaylagrl]

If he's preaching? that can only come from God.. what was he preaching then? Another's belief? No it's not credited to another. We are able to think for ourselves. It's an easy way to shift responsibility.
False teachers are accountable for themselves but so are we.

He's preaching what his pastor has taught and believed they both were correct in their teaching. Until it hit him personally and it made him question what he believed. Tragedy tends to do that. He isn't trying to shift responsibility,he's questioning if the WOF doctrine is right. The light is dawning on him. And the false teacher bears more of the responsibility for leading people astray.