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1Ti 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
1Ti 6:4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
1Ti 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness(monetary,material): from such withdraw thyself.
1Ti 6:6 But godliness with contentment is great gain.
1Ti 6:7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.
1Ti 6:8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.
1Ti 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith(lack of love towards people), and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
Rev 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
Rev 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked.
2Co 8:13 For I mean not that other men be eased, and ye burdened:
2Co 8:14 But by an equality, that now at this time your abundance may be a supply for their want, that their abundance also may be a supply for your want: that there may be equality:
2Co 8:15 As it is written, He that had gathered much had nothing over; and he that had gathered little had no lack(all the saints on an equal level of prosperity,not the preacher is blessed more than a pew sitter).
1Jn 3:17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?
1Jn 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.
The Word of Faith believes the prosperity Gospel that the Bible is against for we are to love people,not material things,and money.
The faith is God is love,and loves people,so we cannot heap money,and material things to ourselves,but must help the poor,and needy.
Time for lust,time for lie,time to kiss your cash goodbye.
Send me money,send me green,heaven you will meet.
Make your contribution and you'll get the better seat.
Bow to leper messiah.
1Ti 6:4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
1Ti 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness(monetary,material): from such withdraw thyself.
1Ti 6:6 But godliness with contentment is great gain.
1Ti 6:7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.
1Ti 6:8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.
1Ti 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith(lack of love towards people), and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
Rev 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
Rev 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked.
2Co 8:13 For I mean not that other men be eased, and ye burdened:
2Co 8:14 But by an equality, that now at this time your abundance may be a supply for their want, that their abundance also may be a supply for your want: that there may be equality:
2Co 8:15 As it is written, He that had gathered much had nothing over; and he that had gathered little had no lack(all the saints on an equal level of prosperity,not the preacher is blessed more than a pew sitter).
1Jn 3:17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?
1Jn 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.
The Word of Faith believes the prosperity Gospel that the Bible is against for we are to love people,not material things,and money.
The faith is God is love,and loves people,so we cannot heap money,and material things to ourselves,but must help the poor,and needy.
Time for lust,time for lie,time to kiss your cash goodbye.
Send me money,send me green,heaven you will meet.
Make your contribution and you'll get the better seat.
Bow to leper messiah.
Many passages deal with this, but 1 Corinthians 1: 3-8 explains it in great detail.
2Co 1:3 Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort;
2Co 1:4 Who comforteth us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort them which are in any trouble, by the comfort wherewith we ourselves are comforted of God.
2Co 1:5 For as the sufferings of Christ abound in us, so our consolation also aboundeth by Christ.
2Co 1:6 And whether we be afflicted, it is for your consolation and salvation, which is effectual in the enduring of the same sufferings which we also suffer: or whether we be comforted, it is for your consolation and salvation.
2Co 1:7 And our hope of you is stedfast, knowing, that as ye are partakers of the sufferings, so shall ye be also of the consolation.
2Co 1:8 For we would not, brethren, have you ignorant of our trouble which came to us in Asia, that we were pressed out of measure, above strength, insomuch that we despaired even of life:
1 Corinthians is one of the great books on PRINCIPLES FOR CHRISTIAN MINISTRY.
In the first chapter of this book, God explains to us that he ALLOWS us to have PROBLEMS for the sheer purpose of USING THOSE EXPERIENCES TO MINISTER TO OTHERS WITH SIMILAR PROBLEMS.
(See specifically 1Co 1:4)
Paul goes through all kinds of terrible problems:
It says he had TRIBULATIONS, it says he had SUFFERINGS, it says he had AFFLICTIONS, it says he had TROUBLE, it says he DESPAIRED EVEN OF LIFE (expected to die), it says he was PRESSED OUT OF MEASURE (often translated "utterly burdened" or "weighed down exceedingly")
None of these are GOOD THINGS.
None of these are HAPPY THINGS.
These are all painful, hard, terrible things.
But God sometimes ALLOWS terrible and hard things to happen to us.
Sometimes God allows SUFFERING, and TRIBULATION, and PROBLEMS...
so that we can use those experiences to minister to others.
I don't like it either... but it's in the bible.
God's ways are higher than our ways.
Isa 55:9 "For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts."
2Co 1:3 Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort;
2Co 1:4 Who comforteth us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort them which are in any trouble, by the comfort wherewith we ourselves are comforted of God.
2Co 1:5 For as the sufferings of Christ abound in us, so our consolation also aboundeth by Christ.
2Co 1:6 And whether we be afflicted, it is for your consolation and salvation, which is effectual in the enduring of the same sufferings which we also suffer: or whether we be comforted, it is for your consolation and salvation.
2Co 1:7 And our hope of you is stedfast, knowing, that as ye are partakers of the sufferings, so shall ye be also of the consolation.
2Co 1:8 For we would not, brethren, have you ignorant of our trouble which came to us in Asia, that we were pressed out of measure, above strength, insomuch that we despaired even of life:
1 Corinthians is one of the great books on PRINCIPLES FOR CHRISTIAN MINISTRY.
In the first chapter of this book, God explains to us that he ALLOWS us to have PROBLEMS for the sheer purpose of USING THOSE EXPERIENCES TO MINISTER TO OTHERS WITH SIMILAR PROBLEMS.
(See specifically 1Co 1:4)
Paul goes through all kinds of terrible problems:
It says he had TRIBULATIONS, it says he had SUFFERINGS, it says he had AFFLICTIONS, it says he had TROUBLE, it says he DESPAIRED EVEN OF LIFE (expected to die), it says he was PRESSED OUT OF MEASURE (often translated "utterly burdened" or "weighed down exceedingly")
None of these are GOOD THINGS.
None of these are HAPPY THINGS.
These are all painful, hard, terrible things.
But God sometimes ALLOWS terrible and hard things to happen to us.
Sometimes God allows SUFFERING, and TRIBULATION, and PROBLEMS...
so that we can use those experiences to minister to others.
I don't like it either... but it's in the bible.
God's ways are higher than our ways.
Isa 55:9 "For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts."
To CLARIFY, in case there is CONFUSION.
In the above passages, God WITHHELD GOOD THINGS from Paul.
God withheld good things like: SAFETY, HEALTH, PEACE.
God withheld good things, so that Paul would have HARDSHIPS... hardships which would ALLOW HIM TO UNDERSTAND HOW TO MINISTER to others who HAVE HARDSHIPS.
In the above passages, God WITHHELD GOOD THINGS from Paul.
God withheld good things like: SAFETY, HEALTH, PEACE.
God withheld good things, so that Paul would have HARDSHIPS... hardships which would ALLOW HIM TO UNDERSTAND HOW TO MINISTER to others who HAVE HARDSHIPS.
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again, you have a problem with authority...you think you have some!
you have really tipped your hat now on how you think and what you believe
you said you loved me (in Christ) and I said you don't....you have illustrated that fact now
if this is what that school is turning out, they need to close their doors
sad
you have really tipped your hat now on how you think and what you believe
you said you loved me (in Christ) and I said you don't....you have illustrated that fact now
if this is what that school is turning out, they need to close their doors
sad
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and am I making everyone responding here who has nothing good to say about WOF say what they do?
you are quite manipulative...but then many people in this movement are
you are not being honest...you began to try to insinuate your beliefs at me in another thread and that is what you cannot stand...
I don't accept what you think is your 'right' to teach me
To start with... Paul never says all his problems are from "persecutions".
And study of scripture shows that many of his hardships, were in fact, NOT from persecution.
He had many TRIBULATIONS and HARDSHIPS which had nothing to do with persecution.
But all of these HARDSHIPS were things which God ALLOWED, so he would have experience to minister to others going through HARDSHIP.
And study of scripture shows that many of his hardships, were in fact, NOT from persecution.
He had many TRIBULATIONS and HARDSHIPS which had nothing to do with persecution.
But all of these HARDSHIPS were things which God ALLOWED, so he would have experience to minister to others going through HARDSHIP.
C
I never said I have never studied up on it. I said I should research it again. I don't agree any Christian should trample on other Christians because of what another person has said or done. If this was the case then all of us are aren't worthy of anything. This denomination thing makes me sick and I can see why non christians hate us.
But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.
Matt 5:39
Is it possible to say whether someone actually loves you or does not through
typing short notes here? I cannot, but then maybe I am not spiritual enough.
If someone dismisses my sharing, maybe they link it with an evil hurtful
individual which I am not, but to them I sound the same. Maybe if I saw this
I would equally respond.
Jesus laid on my heart something a few years ago. When I go to church I
expect them to understand and support my dedication to the Lord. But why
would they? Maybe they are still learning and I appear as an annoying jerk.
And if I cannot forgive the rejection from people who walk with Jesus, how
can I forgive those who really do hate me. So I am learning to obey the
Lord and forgive those I love and hoped for more.
Look what we did to Jesus, and He still forgave us, so we equally should be
able to do this for each other. This is our calling,
Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.
John 13:34-35
If you claim to walk and follow, this is the place we begin to really show it.
Matt 5:39
Is it possible to say whether someone actually loves you or does not through
typing short notes here? I cannot, but then maybe I am not spiritual enough.
If someone dismisses my sharing, maybe they link it with an evil hurtful
individual which I am not, but to them I sound the same. Maybe if I saw this
I would equally respond.
Jesus laid on my heart something a few years ago. When I go to church I
expect them to understand and support my dedication to the Lord. But why
would they? Maybe they are still learning and I appear as an annoying jerk.
And if I cannot forgive the rejection from people who walk with Jesus, how
can I forgive those who really do hate me. So I am learning to obey the
Lord and forgive those I love and hoped for more.
Look what we did to Jesus, and He still forgave us, so we equally should be
able to do this for each other. This is our calling,
Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.
John 13:34-35
If you claim to walk and follow, this is the place we begin to really show it.
L
this is an example of WOF right here
real faith to bring about things in manifestation?
real faith?
how about if we have faith like a grain of mustard seed...Jesus seemed to be able to respond to that
and He also seemed able to respond to the man who said he believed but also did not believe
Immediately the boy's father cried out and said, "I do believe; help my unbelief. Mark 9:24
Jesus simply said everything is possible for him who believes..notice He did not say come back when your faith is perfect in your spirit so that I can manifest what you want...that is nonsense IMO and sounds almost new ageish...certainly is not found ANYWHERE in scripture!
and how about Peter who lost faith to the point of denial? what about that?
Jesus went after him! He didn't wait until Peter got it together again and found his faith!
you know, what you folks are not seeing here, is that if it was all up to some kind of faith we are supposed to 'manifest'...then Jesus would have never risen from the dead because none of them believed He would!
do you get that? and when I say you, I mean anyone who goes about faith the way it is described in that very telling quote
all this talk about manifesting starts to remind me of the so called 'Manifest Sons of God'...
but maybe all that makes me sound bitter...or like a harpie or a shrew...or maybe I am making a circus out of this thread
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