Attacks on the Rapture: a popular pastime among some Christians

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iamsoandso said:
Then according to what your saying the world is at this point in time under the fourth kingdom(Two legs,ten toes/ten kingdoms ect.) and the stone cut out and cast at them is future tense meaning that the kingdom now present is not the same as "the one that will never be destroyed"?
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Thanks for the reply.

I will try and get back tomorrow . That's going to takes some work .I am not familiar with all of those metaphors used in that parable . I know fourth speaks of universality or the whole .North, south, east, and west. It could represent all the kingdoms that will be his kingdoms.
 
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garee said:
Thanks for the reply.

I will try and get back tomorrow . That's going to takes some work .I am not familiar with all of those metaphors used in that parable . I know fourth speaks of universality or the whole .North, south, east, and west. It could represent all the kingdoms that will be his kingdoms.
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It is a tough one to ponder my dear friend which is why I ask both him and you. Maybe truth7t7 and KJV will fry a bunch of fish and give us a picture of it. I think I'm going to get my tackle box and pole and get them ready now that they made me wonder if there gonna catch them all,lol. Good night,sweet dreams my friend.
 
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Truth7t7 said:
There is no slander or odor to God's words of truth
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No sir i apologize for my rudeness, I was little taken back on the 2 peter 3-7 post. in verse 4 speaks of people saying things have remain the same since the beginning of creation and goes on to talk about sort of not believing in a global flood or something. But I haven’t seen a post talk about things remaining the same since creation or denying a flood or like believing in evolution you know like life from soup I don’t know but the verse mentioned continuing as is since creation they will say not seeing the connection to disputing rapture as per the thread.

4“Where is the promise of His coming?” they will ask. “Ever since our fathers fell asleep, everything continues as it has from the beginning of creation.”

Verse 9 is interesting

9The Lord is not slow in keeping His promise as some understand slowness, but is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish but everyone to come to repentance.

then it goes on to say Paul’s letters was hard to understand, upon reading are these writings something to present to others as read this and that will happen to you or is going to, too other Christians who might not agree. sorry seems little harsh while debating theologicals.
 
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Truth7t7 said:
The "Non-Literal" thousand years is taking place Now...
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If present world conditions and anarchy in America are what Christ's Millennium looks like, then God help us all. Can you see the absurdity of your statement? Unless -- of course -- your concept of an imaginary Millennium is sin, evil, wickedness, and anarchy.
 
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iamsoandso said:
I'm not following you maybe. You said your "in it now" but then the Mill. reign will end how can it be that Jesus sets up his kingdom and then it comes to an end if Daniel 2:44 says it wont ever be destroyed?
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The millennial kingdom is the earthly reign of Christ in the believer. It’s the time when Satan is bound and can’t deceive us anymore. It’s the time when the wolf in sheep’s clothing lies down with the lamb but can’t hurt the lamb.

That kingdom ends when we’re translated into the heavenly kingdom.
 
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I would agree Satan the man of sin needs corrupted human flesh "DNA" to show he is the god of this world .

Interesting .Those who had the Spirit of Christ working in them the Holy Spirit turned to look at the object of sin exposing the father lies . Unlike in the garden using DNA to condemn those under the letter of the law .
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The serpent on the cross was Jesus. People are so brainwashed by religion that they think Satan is an angelic being in charge of the angels. Satan IS human DNA.
 
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If present world conditions and anarchy in America are what Christ's Millennium looks like, then God help us all. Can you see the absurdity of your statement? Unless -- of course -- your concept of an imaginary Millennium is sin, evil, wickedness, and anarchy.
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Youre not in the millennial kingdom yet, that’s why you can’t see it. All you have to do is believe the Bible exactly as it’s written and then you can sit down with wolf and he won’t harm you.
 
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KJV1611 said:
I can’t wait until you meet David and tell him that lol. I can’t debate with a person who believes in five different gospels and practically worships the antichrist Jews. Sorry 146 but you’re blind as a bat and you don’t want to see.
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If David had what we enjoy today after the cross, why wasn’t he present with the Lord upon death? Why the need for Abraham’s bosom? Are you going to spiritualize that as well?
 
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John146 said:
If David had what we enjoy today after the cross, why wasn’t he present with the Lord upon death? Why the need for Abraham’s bosom? Are you going to spiritualize that as well?
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I’m not spiritualizing anything, there are physical things and the are spiritual things. Abraham’s bosom was the old heaven, when Christ came, the old heaven passed away and the new heaven came. David is in the NEW HEAVEN right now. He couldn’t go there until Christ came and prepared a place for them AND us.
 
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That new heaven that Jesus prepared when he went it hell, that’s the new heaven that you are still waiting to come.

You’re still waiting for a lot of stuff that has already come in fact, there is nothing more to come except our translation into the NEW HEAVEN where David is right now.
 
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KJV1611 said:
The serpent on the cross was Jesus. People are so brainwashed by religion that they think Satan is an angelic being in charge of the angels. Satan IS human DNA.
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Not sure how Jesus fits as a serpent ?

Satan called the legion is the father of all lies, of all the kingdom of this world . As you mentioned not in charge of others false messengers.

The one apposing spirit of God. He as the antichrist "apposing teacher" works in the affairs' of mankind (antichrists) as the god of this world. as he did with peter in Mathew 16.

Corrupted DNA is the result of the wage of sin that leads to death, because of the letter of the law. In that way Satan is the man of sin working to deceive mankind. the serial murder form the beginning. Kill all humans

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

What ever our Father says. He says the opposite. What God calls one he deceives and makes into many . What God divides and calls separate. Legion makes it one.


Turning upside down the inspiration of God. As if earthly inspired of things from the earth .The lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes and false pride of this corrupted temporal life.
 
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John146 said:
If David had what we enjoy today after the cross, why wasn’t he present with the Lord upon death? Why the need for Abraham’s bosom? Are you going to spiritualize that as well?
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Abraham’s bosom is simply the unseen Holy place of God's glory .

If we could literally place Abraham used to signify our unseen father in the holy place. Then we have committed the abomination of desolation.
 
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KJV1611 said:
I’m not spiritualizing anything, there are physical things and the are spiritual things. Abraham’s bosom was the old heaven, when Christ came, the old heaven passed away and the new heaven came. David is in the NEW HEAVEN right now. He couldn’t go there until Christ came and prepared a place for them AND us.
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What? Abraham’s bosom was the old heaven where God once dwelt? You should study the scriptures more brother. Abraham’s bosom was located in the heart of the earth. That’s not heaven. Jesus led captivity captive.
 
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KJV1611 said:
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That new heaven that Jesus prepared when he went it hell, that’s the new heaven that you are still waiting to come.

You’re still waiting for a lot of stuff that has already come in fact, there is nothing more to come except our translation into the NEW HEAVEN where David is right now.
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Actually, according to revelation 21 the new heaven is yet to come.
 
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garee said:
Abraham’s bosom is simply the unseen Holy place of God's glory .

If we could literally place Abraham used to signify our unseen father in the holy place. Then we have committed the abomination of desolation.
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Abraham’s bosom was a literal place located in the heart of the earth across from the great gulf from hell.
 
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garee said:
Abraham’s bosom is simply the unseen Holy place of God's glory .

If we could literally place Abraham used to signify our unseen father in the holy place. Then we have committed the abomination of desolation.
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Abraham’s bosom was the old heaven where believers in Christ went before Christ came.
 
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John146 said:
Actually, according to revelation 21 the new heaven is yet to come.
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According to revelation it has already come according to your interpretation of revelation it hasn’t come.
 
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John146 said:
Abraham’s bosom was a literal place located in the heart of the earth across from the great gulf from hell.
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Heart of the corrupted earth? It moans in expectation of the sons of God. Hell is the sufferings of corruption. (we are not in heaven and there is no limbo.) Living the nightmare LOL

Our load is made lighter, yoked with Christ our Sabbath rest. . Heaven on earth LOL

We look to the corrupted temporal things seen to give us the eternal vision (1 Corinthian4:18) . Like KVJ1611 offered . One invisible place of God's hidden glory transferred to another. . the mansion of many rooms. (faith to faith)
 
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KJV1611 said:
According to revelation it has already come according to your interpretation of revelation it hasn’t come.
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Yes, the gates were opened when Jesus said it is finished. They will remain open until the last day when Jesus leaves his reigning on earth with born again men.
 
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