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[Abiding]

30000 is hightly exaggerated...but ill try to see the point.
Many formed out of necessity especially through missionary reasons.
And many out of necessity because of wrong doctrine supposedly
given by God strait to the individual, with no need to have churches approval.

There is a long list of those who needed no teachers but simply study and prayer
Many forms of gnosticism, and mysticism come to mind and giant church groups
are sprouting up taking over large parts of Americas churches with new revelation
also comes to mind. Noone can disagree with them..because God spoke to them directly.

 

[Bookreader]

99% of people here saying - "we don't get get beliefs from man" DO
They have been to sunday school and/or have been taught in church and/or were taught by people they asked when the read the Bible
Even if this was NOT when they believed - it sewed the seeds.

God provided the Bible by his spirit (i.e. he provided us a comforter in the shape of a NT)
The shape of the NT was decided by men
God did NOT inspire the bishops of Rome.
God did NOT inspire those that made the Masoretic version - the dots can alter ANY verse but I think it was 1100AD give or take 200 years (my memory is bad) they added the dots that matched what the thought
The original text had no dots
The KJV used the Masoretic version almost totally.
So the KJV OT is based on a 3-4 generation translation.

AVOID people who are KJV-only

God also did not inspire the monks that made the KJV english translation

 

[Bookreader]

I'll not point fingers -but
We have one Master - GOD
We have on Lord/King - Jesus - who will rule when he returns for 1000 years
And - the Bible says - then he will hand over control to GOD

I'm sorry if your "taught god" doesn't fit with that

 

[ANIOHEVTORAH]

I'll not point fingers -but
We have one Master - GOD
We have on Lord/King - Jesus - who will rule when he returns for 1000 years
And - the Bible says - then he will hand over control to GOD

I'm sorry if your "taught god" doesn't fit with that

I'm not saying you're pointing a finger at me. I just have a question. Where does it say in the bible that 'he will hand over control to GOD'? who will do this? and again, where does it say this?

 

[Bookreader]

I'm not saying you're pointing a finger at me. I just have a question. Where does it say in the bible that 'he will hand over control to GOD'? who will do this? and again, where does it say this?

It says - after the 1000 years he will give it up - I AM looking up the scripture - but you should know it is there and it upsets me that me (after 44 years as anti-religion, becomes a Christian while trying to be better anti-religion) ends up
MOST of you KNOW the verse I have to search for.

 

[Bookreader]

I've been a christian for 3 or 4 years

before that I had 30 years of pure HATE for all religions

 

[Bookreader]

I read the Bible to ATTACK you people with your stupidity

 

[Bookreader]

What I find is no church is like the Bible.
And really unpleasant people are allowed to pretend they are 'of God'

 

[ANIOHEVTORAH]

It says - after the 1000 years he will give it up - I AM looking up the scripture - but you should know it is there and it upsets me that me (after 44 years as anti-religion, becomes a Christian while trying to be better anti-religion) ends up
MOST of you KNOW the verse I have to search for.

I'm sorry friend, there is no verse that says after the 1000 yrs. he will give it up. Praise YAH on your journey in Him. May He feel you with all the fullness of His word and Holy Spirit. May He lead you in all His truth.
blessings

 

[Bookreader]

just say "the spirit guides me" and you're sorted to say all silliness

 

[ANIOHEVTORAH]

just say "the spirit guides me" and you're sorted to say all silliness

That would depend on what spirit you claim 'guides you' lol.

 

[Bookreader]

Rev 20:4
and Rev 20:6

but they are not the verse I meant - but they make my point

I'm continuing to look for the verse I meant

 

[kardiaoangelous]

Inspiration means 'in the breath' so we are to believe it is in the Spirit of God - that is the outgoing nature of God.
Something those IN the Bible didn't have was - the Bible. They had only the OT and and the word of others.
When Christ said we would get help from the 'comforter' what we got was the Bible.

Learn the Bible from the Bible.
Later ask people for help on tricky bits.

If you ask for help before you get what they Bible says REALLY CLEARLY then you're going to get 2000 years (or less) of man's ideas.
God gave inspiration for a reason - so we could easily read his word.
The church tried to hide that from people and killed people who read it and said their way was wrong - for many years.
Nowadays they just say "you're a heretic" or ban you or some silliness.
God's word remains - despite these folks...

I see people saying we waste our time arguing - and they are people who spend ALL their time arguing and that is why they come here. They NEVER post on a thread they agree with!!!

And I am guilty of this

I agree with you.

I was playing that MicroSoft game called Freecell a moment ago and I had to restart the same game over and over, even thinking to myself that perhaps this one was impossible to solve.

But, I would not give up and just kept starting the game over until finally I found the right combination which allowed all the cards to fall in place right before my eyes.

In our study of the scriptures we must have that same tenacity. And let our struggles be ever more reason to call out to God for his spirit to help us fit things together as they need to be.

 

[Bookreader]

That would depend on what spirit you claim 'guides you' lol.

I read the bible as an atheist to get things to attack people like you.
I started at the beginning - to the end - avoiding the opinion of others.
When I started to believe - about the book of Daniel oddly - I still thought "if I ask people I get their ideas, not the Library/Bible ideas"

Core ideas are from the Bible
unlike 95% of christianity who are Constantinians (go Roman Empire control of church belief!)

 

[kardiaoangelous]

99% of people here saying - "we don't get get beliefs from man" DO
They have been to sunday school and/or have been taught in church and/or were taught by people they asked when the read the Bible
Even if this was NOT when they believed - it sewed the seeds.

God provided the Bible by his spirit (i.e. he provided us a comforter in the shape of a NT)
The shape of the NT was decided by men
God did NOT inspire the bishops of Rome.
God did NOT inspire those that made the Masoretic version - the dots can alter ANY verse but I think it was 1100AD give or take 200 years (my memory is bad) they added the dots that matched what the thought
The original text had no dots
The KJV used the Masoretic version almost totally.
So the KJV OT is based on a 3-4 generation translation.

AVOID people who are KJV-only

God also did not inspire the monks that made the KJV english translation

John 4:14 "But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life."

John 7:38 "He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water."

Revelation 7:16-17 "They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes."

Shall we boast in our self that this life-giving water flows through us?

We become "living fountains of life-giving water" because his word by his spirit flows through us, not by us.

 

[Bookreader]

I agree with you.

I disagree with you half as much as I agree with you.
You get my back up.
But I respect your opinion - if not your posting manner - you're rude to people and a bit opinionated

But we can all be like that at times - I know I am

You need to chill a bit and NOT assume your age makes you better (you - and others - have done that)
I'm old. That makes me know MY life. It does NOT make me know GOD or the life of others.

 

[ANIOHEVTORAH]

I read the bible as an atheist to get things to attack people like you.
I started at the beginning - to the end - avoiding the opinion of others.
When I started to believe - about the book of Daniel oddly - I still thought "if I ask people I get their ideas, not the Library/Bible ideas"

Core ideas are from the Bible
unlike 95% of christianity who are Constantinians (go Roman Empire control of church belief!)

I have a question. You read things to attack people like me. Can you be more specific?

For I'm not a part of the 95% of christianity who are of Rome. For I'm not a christian.

 

[kardiaoangelous]

I disagree with you half as much as I agree with you.
You get my back up.
But I respect your opinion - if not your posting manner - you're rude to people and a bit opinionated

But we can all be like that at times - I know I am

You need to chill a bit and NOT assume your age makes you better (you - and others - have done that)
I'm old. That makes me know MY life. It does NOT make me know GOD or the life of others.

Thank you young Elihu, I will certainly not balk at any words that come to me in sincerity of one who loves the same Father I do.

Proverbs 27:6 "Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful."

 

[my_adonai_]

GOD can have us learn something even off the most jaded or lost situations.

 

[ANIOHEVTORAH]

Thank you young Elihu, I will certainly not balk at any words that come to me in sincerity of one who loves the same Father I do.

Proverbs 27:6 "Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful."

Let not his words bother you. For it is clear he still is dealing with hatred issues from his former self. You are not rude. I have found you always humble, but straight forward. Blessings to you.