Baptism Essential to Salvation

[eternally-gratefull]

I can. Acts 2:38

well you failed. the greek does not say anyone was baptized to recieve remmision of sin, it says they were baptized because they had remmision of sin, based on their repentance.

I agree that the word baptize does not mean water. It means baptize! It means to immerse. But you cannot ignore all the scriptures that show people being baptized IN WATER including Jesus Christ him self. There is a baptism of water, and a baptism of the Holy Ghost. One part is done by man, the other part is done by God.

I agree 100%.

now which one saved (cleanses) us and washes our sin?

the one by man, or the one by God?

Titus 3: 5 says it was the one by God.

(ps, as I said, I was baptized, It was an awsome exerience.

Then you believe that if you had DISOBEYED the command of Christ, you would still have been saved?

No, I would be in sin, and not able to recieve blessing or reward. and under chastening of God.

But I would still be his child.

 

[Billyd]

I wonder. Why do you study God's word? Is it to discover its truth, or to justify your position on debatable issues?

 

[Patnubay]

I am also curious as to what bible verse would you use to support sprinkling for baptism?

I'm not a believer of Sprinkling but this will give you an idea.

Is Sprinkling an Appropriate Mode of Baptism?

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In Mk 16:16 one would also have to note that an unbelieving person is an unbaptized person. So when Jesus said "he that believeth not" this phrase includes the unbaptized.

Not necessarily. Remember the Penitent Thief?

Luke 23:42-43
New King James Version (NKJV)

42 Then he said to Jesus, “Lord,[a] remember me when You come into Your kingdom.”
43 And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.”

 

[Kaycie]

Yes! Baptism saves (1 Peter 3:21)

Yes, full immersion- it is burying your old sinful self- who does not bury a dead person all the way but just sprinkles a little dirt on them? (Romans 6:1-7

Yes- Jesus said to baptize in the name of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. (Matthew 28:19)

 

[Hashe]

Yes! Baptism saves (1 Peter 3:21)

Yes, full immersion- it is burying your old sinful self- who does not bury a dead person all the way but just sprinkles a little dirt on them? (Romans 6:1-7

Yes- Jesus said to baptize in the name of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. (Matthew 28:19)

What does Romans 6 have to do with full immersion? People were buried in caves, not under the ground in JEsus' day.
Where was Jesus buried?
This shows how you import your own understanding into scriptures, rather than try and understand what they said to the first readers. This is the true way to understand scripture.

 

[StoneThrower]

Folks, really 13 pages? Stick a fork in it, this thing is done.
How many times and how many ways can the question be answered NO?
I would think you all would be dizzy as many times as this has been around and around :=)

 

[homwardbound]

Matthew 3:11
“I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me comes one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
Mark 1:8
I baptize you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.”
Luke 3:16
John answered them all, “I baptize you with water. But one who is more powerful than I will come, the straps of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
John 1:33
And I myself did not know him, but the one who sent me to baptize with water told me, ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is the one who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’
John 3:5
Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.

 

[SeaBass]

SAVED is SAVED and the O.T. saints were saved the same way N.T. saints are saved...by FAITH so...Sea Perch you should lay off the (smoke) and come to the light....I am still waiting for an answer in Once saved always saved that you seem to be unable or unwilling to answer.....

Here I will post again seeing how it goes unanswered!

So...do you loose your salvation instantly or do you have like 24 hours to repent before you loose your salvation...maybe 36 hours?


Originally Posted by SeaBass

Any sin a Christian will not repent of.


1 Jn 1:7 as long as the Christian CONTINUES to walk in the light, then Christ blood CONTINUES to wash away all sins.

If I quit walking in the light then NONE of my sins will be washed away.

The OT law is different from NT law and the OT law had no baptism for remission of sins for they did not have the shed blood of Christ....without shedding of blood is no remission of sin, Heb 9:22.

Walking in the light (repenting) is a sustained, ongoing life long commitment.

No work of repentance = no salvation.

 

[SeaBass]

This question i will ask that you will understand a little what if a peeson accepts christ on his point of death would that person be saved ? Taking into consideration that that person had no time to be baptized? I believe grace would cover this area what do you say ?

No, the gospel does not teach "death-bed" salvation.

 

[homwardbound]

The bible does not require water baptism. The bible requires Holy Spirit baptism. Jesus breathed upon the disciples in the upper room and said receive ye the Holy Spirit.

Jesus did not need to be water baptized. Jesus never had any sin. Jesus received water baptism for it's symbolism not because it had any efficacy.

Holy Spirit baptism occurs the moment a sinner receives Christ as their Savior. The moment a sinner asks Christ for forgiveness of their sins the Holy Spirit enters their heart and they are saved. A baptism of regeneration. A soul dead in trespass and sin is now made alive in Christ unto God.

If you got saved some other way I would question what is was you got.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Brother did not Jesus get water Baptized for to fill all the Law as he told John suffer it for now, that he had to do all that is right?
John did say to him that John needed to be Baptized of Christ right? And was John's job to Baptize Christ that he was born with to do was to Baptize Christ publicly, where as water Baptism prior was of the Levite priests only, to be cleansed before entering the Holy of Holies?
He knew not which one was the Christ until he saw and heard from God and yet knew when he saw him, anyway, Christ fulfilled all the Law and Prophets concerning him and by his death and resurrection with ascension, we are saved if we believe, God sets us free to love as God loves in 1 Cor 13:4-7, all done by believing and stand fast in belief, trusting God to do in us what we know we can't do in self and that is love God's way

 

[homwardbound]

I believe if a person confesses Jesus as Lord and believes in his heart God raised him from the dead - that person is saved. [Romans 10:9,10] and you receive the gift of holy Spirit at the moment you are saved.

The awesomeness and mystery of God, Amen Sister Amen, and so then who can refuse to be whatever God tells them, from that point on for God becomes our teacher right? Hebrews 8:11

 

[DeanMarZ]

Jesus did not get any of his power untill he was baptized

 

[SeaBass]

I'm not a believer of Sprinkling but this will give you an idea.

Is Sprinkling an Appropriate Mode of Baptism?

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Not necessarily. Remember the Penitent Thief?

Luke 23:42-43
New King James Version (NKJV)

42 Then he said to Jesus, “Lord,[a] remember me when You come into Your kingdom.”
43 And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.”

The thief lived and died under the OT law and therefore is not an example of NT salvation.

 

[SeaBass]

Matthew 3:11
“I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me comes one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
Mark 1:8
I baptize you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.”
Luke 3:16
John answered them all, “I baptize you with water. But one who is more powerful than I will come, the straps of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
John 1:33
And I myself did not know him, but the one who sent me to baptize with water told me, ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is the one who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’
John 3:5
Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.

None of these passages promises anyone today baptism with the Holy Spirit. In Mt 3:11, no one can make themselves be the either of the pronouns "you" when it does not refer to them.

 

[homwardbound]

Phil Robertson is preaching what the bible say about the necessity of water baptism.

Salvation is not possible without obedient works.

Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Paul says you serve either;

1) sin unto death

or

2) obedience unto righteousness.

I serve obedience unto righteousness.

Which do you serve?

Faith only rules out #2.

Faith only is the real heresy here.

Obedient works you say, then if that is the case, why did Christ then ever bother to come to do what he did and are your works perfect, mine not, and if they were I still am not ready to punish anyone since God by Son chose to forgive us all through Son, and not all are saved by this death of Christ only forgiven, it is the resurrected life of Christ in Spirit and truth that saves and brings in the new life that he came to give as he told Nicodemus in John 3. New life in Spirit

Flesh sin reckoned dead by Christ's death for you and all, then get to see the new resurrected life in Christ at the resurrected Christ shown to us by Father if we beleiv3e Father shows us this, and we can't sin in Spirit and truth of God, only listening to the Spiritual darkness kicked out of heaven hanging around outside the gates to steal; kill and destroy, trying to stop anyone from approaching the throne of grace to learn how to say no to unrighteousness from Father

Hebrews 4:16
Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

 

[homwardbound]

Phil Robertson is preaching what the bible say about the necessity of water baptism.

Salvation is not possible without obedient works.

Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Paul says you serve either;

1) sin unto death

or

2) obedience unto righteousness.

I serve obedience unto righteousness.

Which do you serve?

Faith only rules out #2.

Faith only is the real heresy here.

2 Corinthians 10:5
casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
2 Corinthians 10:6
and having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.

 

[homwardbound]

No verse defines water baptism as you do here.

Acts 1:5
For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
Acts 11:16
Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.

 

[Patnubay]

The thief lived and died under the OT law and therefore is not an example of NT salvation.

This is something new to me. I'd appreciate if you could elaborate.

 

[SeaBass]

This is something new to me. I'd appreciate if you could elaborate.

Heb 9:16,17 Christ's NT would not come into effect until some time AFTER He died. So thief was under the OT law at the time he was promised paradise and is not an example of NT salvation.

 

[homwardbound]

That will make you a good roman catholic.

A Christian who sins is subject to the Fathers chastisement and correction but never subject to condemnation.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

To where God's rod and staff should comfort us in the midst of any and all adversity I think you think Brother? Psalms 23