Baptism Essential to Salvation

[eternally-gratefull]

He gave you the right to become a child of God.....are you exercising that right?...are you being transformed into a child of God? are you walking in the light of God? are performing righteous works, or are you just believing him to do it for you?

lol. Did you read what I said.

Belief is not enough. You must receive it in faith. (I know you do not think I believe this even though I say it over and over. )

your either a child of God or not. there is no inbetween.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Re: As Salvation is Offered Just for Faith So Many Times, H2O Is Not Essential

this is what I call babble...

so you call Gods word babble.

That says alot..

 

[newbirth]

Mere belief is not enough, Many people believe he was who he says he was, and he died for the sin of mankind, But have yet to recieve him.

In order to get on your knees and truly recieve him, You must have faith.

You make up things what is mare faith......[SUP]3 [/SUP]For by the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think with sober judgment, each according to the measure of faith that God has assigned.
Do you have to perform a ritual to receive Christ now? To those who receive and those who believe he gave the right to become children of God.
He gave the right(power) you can sit on or act on it up to you.

 

[Alligator]

You are referring to those that lived under the OT law and therefore are not examples of NT salvation. Christ had not shed His blood when these people were alive so they never had water baptism for remission of sins. The had to make burnt offerings/animal sacrifices for their sins but could never get complete remission of sins being without the blood of Christ.

SAVED is SAVED and the O.T. saints were saved the same way N.T. saints are saved...by FAITH so...Sea Perch you should lay off the (smoke) and come to the light....I am still waiting for an answer in Once saved always saved that you seem to be unable or unwilling to answer.....

Here I will post again seeing how it goes unanswered!

So...do you loose your salvation instantly or do you have like 24 hours to repent before you loose your salvation...maybe 36 hours?


Originally Posted by SeaBass

Any sin a Christian will not repent of.


1 Jn 1:7 as long as the Christian CONTINUES to walk in the light, then Christ blood CONTINUES to wash away all sins.

If I quit walking in the light then NONE of my sins will be washed away.

I'm not sure what you're getting at but I will answer the question. You have until your death to repent and get back into God's good graces.

 

[newbirth]

Re: As Salvation is Offered Just for Faith So Many Times, H2O Is Not Essential

so you call Gods word babble.

That says alot..

Mere belief is not enough, Many people believe he was who he says he was, and he died for the sin of mankind, But have yet to recieve him.

In order to get on your knees and truly recieve him, You must have faith.

This is babble your opinion not God's word....quote Chapter and verse

 

[notuptome]

I'm not sure what you're getting at but I will answer the question. You have until your death to repent and get back into God's good graces.

That will make you a good roman catholic.

A Christian who sins is subject to the Fathers chastisement and correction but never subject to condemnation.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Alligator]

That will make you a good roman catholic.

A Christian who sins is subject to the Fathers chastisement and correction but never subject to condemnation.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Read this passage. Galatians 5:19-21English Standard Version (ESV)

19 Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, 21 envy,[a] drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

you still want to tell me that God does not condemn sin.? What do you think keeps people out of heaven?

 

[Alligator]

SAVED is SAVED and the O.T. saints were saved the same way N.T. saints are saved...by FAITH so...Sea Perch you should lay off the (smoke) and come to the light....I am still waiting for an answer in Once saved always saved that you seem to be unable or unwilling to answer.....

Here I will post again seeing how it goes unanswered!

So...do you loose your salvation instantly or do you have like 24 hours to repent before you loose your salvation...maybe 36 hours?


Originally Posted by SeaBass

Any sin a Christian will not repent of.


1 Jn 1:7 as long as the Christian CONTINUES to walk in the light, then Christ blood CONTINUES to wash away all sins.

If I quit walking in the light then NONE of my sins will be washed away.

let me ask you a question. On a scale from 1 to 10, how much faith do you have to have to be saved? We know James teaches that faith without works is dead. So again, what number on the scale is enough to get us saved.?



I know that was a stupid question, but I was trying to relate it to your question, LOL.

 

[newbirth]

lol. Did you read what I said.

Belief is not enough. You must receive it in faith. (I know you do not think I believe this even though I say it over and over. )

your either a child of God or not. there is no inbetween.

What is belief that it is not enough and where in scripture does it that? and what is it you must receive in faith ...

(I know you do not think I believe this even though I say it over and over. )

I don't know what you believe

your either a child of God or not. there is no inbetween.

He gave you the power (right) to get to that point of being a child of God. Are you there yet?

 

[apostolic862004]

The bible does not require water baptism. The bible requires Holy Spirit baptism. Jesus breathed upon the disciples in the upper room and said receive ye the Holy Spirit.

Jesus did not need to be water baptized. Jesus never had any sin. Jesus received water baptism for it's symbolism not because it had any efficacy.

Holy Spirit baptism occurs the moment a sinner receives Christ as their Savior. The moment a sinner asks Christ for forgiveness of their sins the Holy Spirit enters their heart and they are saved. A baptism of regeneration. A soul dead in trespass and sin is now made alive in Christ unto God.

If you got saved some other way I would question what is was you got.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

The bible DOES require water baptism. However the post that you responded to was intended to prove that baptism is done in WATER. Obviously man cannot baptize people with the Holy Ghost. So in order to fulfill the great commission, we are to baptize people in WATER. I agree that Jesus did not NEED to be baptized. His baptism was not to wash away sin, his baptism had a two fold purpose: #1 - So that John would know who the Messiah was (John 1:31) #2 - So that we would know that it is the right thing to do (Matt 3:15)

Holy Ghost baptism does NOT occur at the moment someone asks for forgiveness nor when the "accept Christ." If that were true Acts 2:1-4 are wrong. And Acts 8:16-18 are wrong. And Acts 19:1-6 are wrong. Because all of these were believers already since they had already been baptized. That's why they got baptized, BECAUSE THEY BELIEVED.

 

[apostolic862004]

SAVED is SAVED and the O.T. saints were saved the same way N.T. saints are saved...by FAITH so...Sea Perch you should lay off the (smoke) and come to the light....I am still waiting for an answer in Once saved always saved that you seem to be unable or unwilling to answer.....

Here I will post again seeing how it goes unanswered!

So...do you loose your salvation instantly or do you have like 24 hours to repent before you loose your salvation...maybe 36 hours?


Originally Posted by SeaBass

Any sin a Christian will not repent of.


1 Jn 1:7 as long as the Christian CONTINUES to walk in the light, then Christ blood CONTINUES to wash away all sins.

If I quit walking in the light then NONE of my sins will be washed away.

If you believe we are saved the same way as the O.T. saints, why aren't you still sacrificing animals?

 

[Alligator]

SAVED is SAVED and the O.T. saints were saved the same way N.T. saints are saved...by FAITH so...Sea Perch you should lay off the (smoke) and come to the light....I am still waiting for an answer in Once saved always saved that you seem to be unable or unwilling to answer.....

Here I will post again seeing how it goes unanswered!

So...do you loose your salvation instantly or do you have like 24 hours to repent before you loose your salvation...maybe 36 hours?


Originally Posted by SeaBass

Any sin a Christian will not repent of.


1 Jn 1:7 as long as the Christian CONTINUES to walk in the light, then Christ blood CONTINUES to wash away all sins.

If I quit walking in the light then NONE of my sins will be washed away.

are you serious? Surely you realize that these people all lived under the old Law where baptism was not required for the remission of the sins as it is today. See Heb. 9:16-17. Also, baptism is described as representative of the death burial and resurrection of Christ. The people could not have been baptized into Christ since he wasn't even born yet.

hey my friend. People are saved today as they were back then, there is no difference.

Baptism was required in the OT. If you were a gentile. you were required to be baptized to enter the covenant of Israel. And all priests were required to be baptised when they were annointed priests.

the only thing which changed, was now all jews need to be baptized. not just priest. As for gentiles. Nothing changed at all.

E.g., can you give me a scripture or two that says baptism was for the remission of sins in the Old Testament ? Also, please see Romans 6:3–6 which says we are buried with Christ into baptism and that it represents the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus. This could not have been the case in the Old Testament since Christ had not even been born. Thanks

 

[eternally-gratefull]

What is belief that it is not enough and where in scripture does it that?

You mean James A faith that has NO WORK (not some work, then falling away and lose it. but no work)

and what is it you must receive in faith ...

what is offered?

Eternal life
Adopted as sons and daughters
And inheritance which is not defiled
Salvation,
Justification
The seal and promise of the spirit

I can go on and on

I don't know what you believe

Thats because you are not listening.

He gave you the power (right) to get to that point of being a child of God. Are you there yet?

Yep. If I was not. I would not be justified, thus I would not be saved, I would still be dead to sin, and separated from God.

I fear you have not. You do not believe you are justified, Your still waiting for it.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If you believe we are saved the same way as the O.T. saints, why aren't you still sacrificing animals?

they were not saved by sacrificing animals. Hebrews proves this

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Re: As Salvation is Offered Just for Faith So Many Times, H2O Is Not Essential

This is babble your opinion not God's word....quote Chapter and verse

No. James opinion. Pauls opinion.

You have been shown numerous times, Your refusal to see is not my fault.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Read this passage. Galatians 5:19-21English Standard Version (ESV)

19 Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, 21 envy,[a] drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

you still want to tell me that God does not condemn sin.? What do you think keeps people out of heaven?

What did Christ die for?

Does he justify you or not? Does he not take the certificate of debt against you and nail it to the cross?

If we did, we are saved, justified freely.

If he did not, we can repent all we want, we will be doomed forever.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

E.g., can you give me a scripture or two that says baptism was for the remission of sins in the Old Testament ?

I can;t give you a passage of scripture which says water baptism is for remmision of sin anywhere. So why would it matter of it is shown in the OT.

As in the OT. Water baptism is a prefigure of what really saves, the washing of the HS.

Arron and his sons were washed in the jordan by moses, a symbol of what God would do for us after the death of Christ.

Also, please see Romans 6:3–6 which says we are buried with Christ into baptism and that it represents the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus. This could not have been the case in the Old Testament since Christ had not even been born. Thanks

No my friend, It says God baptized me into Christ. Man can not baptize me into Christ only God does.

It is a huge assumption that the word baptize means in water, It does not always mean water, the thing we are babptized into is shown in romans 6. The death and burial of Christ.

Not water.

If you want to be baptized in water, Feel free. I did in obedience to the command of Christ,

But I will never base my salvation on an immersion in water, I will base it and trust god because he himself baptized me into the death, burial and body of Christ

Thats why I KNOW I am saved, it is not based on my work, but Gods completed work, on the cross. and in my life. It is not a defiled salvation, it is a pure salvation. completed fact.

 

[Alligator]

SAVED is SAVED and the O.T. saints were saved the same way N.T. saints are saved...by FAITH so...Sea Perch you should lay off the (smoke) and come to the light....I am still waiting for an answer in Once saved always saved that you seem to be unable or unwilling to answer.....

Here I will post again seeing how it goes unanswered!

So...do you loose your salvation instantly or do you have like 24 hours to repent before you loose your salvation...maybe 36 hours?


Originally Posted by SeaBass

Any sin a Christian will not repent of.


1 Jn 1:7 as long as the Christian CONTINUES to walk in the light, then Christ blood CONTINUES to wash away all sins.

If I quit walking in the light then NONE of my sins will be washed away.

are you serious? Surely you realize that these people all lived under the old Law where baptism was not required for the remission of the sins as it is today. See Heb. 9:16-17. Also, baptism is described as representative of the death burial and resurrection of Christ. The people could not have been baptized into Christ since he wasn't even born yet.

If you believe we are saved the same way as the O.T. saints, why aren't you still sacrificing animals?

no one was saved until Christ died on the cross. In the Old Testament, the annual sacrifices made year after year simply rolled sins forward, so to speak, until Christ came and shed his blood.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

no one was saved until Christ died on the cross. In the Old Testament, the annual sacrifices made year after year simply rolled sins forward, so to speak, until Christ came and shed his blood.

1. David said sacrifice and burnt offering God did not desire for his sin
2, Abraham was saved by faith.


Salvation has been the same since day one, Faith in the work of God to redeem man from his own sin.

 

[apostolic862004]

I can;t give you a passage of scripture which says water baptism is for remmision of sin anywhere. So why would it matter of it is shown in the OT.

I can. Acts 2:38

It is a huge assumption that the word baptize means in water, It does not always mean water, the thing we are babptized into is shown in romans 6. The death and burial of Christ.

I agree that the word baptize does not mean water. It means baptize! It means to immerse. But you cannot ignore all the scriptures that show people being baptized IN WATER including Jesus Christ him self. There is a baptism of water, and a baptism of the Holy Ghost. One part is done by man, the other part is done by God.

If you want to be baptized in water, Feel free. I did in obedience to the command of Christ,

But I will never base my salvation on an immersion in water, I will base it and trust god because he himself baptized me into the death, burial and body of Christ

Then you believe that if you had DISOBEYED the command of Christ, you would still have been saved?