Baptism is necessary for Salvation!!!!!

[christianbound]

I did not say the water saves you. NEVER. I said it was commanded and necessary. Period. I know it is repenting and accepting Jesus. I never said water saved you. I was stating the baptism was necessary for salvation bc JESUS COMMANDED US TO DO SO.

Let me elaborate.....there is no other way to be emerssed into the blood of Christ accept through repentance , confess that Jesus is God in the flesh, and the emerssion of water.

I also want to say that I was corrected tonight when I said accepting Jesus. The Bible does not say accepting Jesus.....it says confess Jesus is the son of God. I worded it wrong and apologize.

 

[Cobus]

Christianbound, again water cannot be the blood..... But the WORD OF GOD IS... Look what happens if the WORD becomes ALIVE IN YOU! Jesus said this in john17:17... FATHER SANCTIFY THEM IN YOUR TRUTH! YOUR WORD IS TRUTH!... To sanctify is to set apart... Baptism is a submersion, also like sanctification... it is seperating you from something else... When God seperates us form something else that GOD, He seperates us from EVIL! Where and how.... IN HIS WORD... Jesus said... Thou shalt know the truth and the truth shall make thee FREE!




The truth is the Word.. and the Word says this as well... please read this and SEE what Jesus does here...Eph 5:26 and 27..
That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
Eph 5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

washing of water by the word, ... What water is this...
This water Jesus refers to here is the water Jesus mentions two other places in the Bible... It is this water... Jesus and the woman at the well... John 4... If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.
And also Jesus mentions it here.... John7:38... He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
This is... THE WORD OF GOD WILL FLOW AS RIVERS FROM THOSE THAT BELIEVE ON JESUS...

The FOUNTAIN of this LIVING WATER is the WORD OF GOD! That is where we die and are burried in... WE SUBMERGE ourselves in the Word of God, and the person that stands up from that WORD OF GOD, IS JESUS IN US!

I hope God will REVEAL this Truth to you.
there is nothing wrong in a water baptism, the only question i ask is who should baptize you? And since Jesus did not baptize a single person with water, who's example doe the baptizer follow, certainly not Jesus'.

 

[christianbound]

Christianbound, again water cannot be the blood..... But the WORD OF GOD IS... Look what happens if the WORD becomes ALIVE IN YOU! Jesus said this in john17:17... FATHER SANCTIFY THEM IN YOUR TRUTH! YOUR WORD IS TRUTH!... To sanctify is to set apart... Baptism is a submersion, also like sanctification... it is seperating you from something else... When God seperates us form something else that GOD, He seperates us from EVIL! Where and how.... IN HIS WORD... Jesus said... Thou shalt know the truth and the truth shall make thee FREE!




The truth is the Word.. and the Word says this as well... please read this and SEE what Jesus does here...Eph 5:26 and 27..
That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
Eph 5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

washing of water by the word, ... What water is this...
This water Jesus refers to here is the water Jesus mentions two other places in the Bible... It is this water... Jesus and the woman at the well... John 4... If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.
And also Jesus mentions it here.... John7:38... He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
This is... THE WORD OF GOD WILL FLOW AS RIVERS FROM THOSE THAT BELIEVE ON JESUS...

The FOUNTAIN of this LIVING WATER is the WORD OF GOD! That is where we die and are burried in... WE SUBMERGE ourselves in the Word of God, and the person that stands up from that WORD OF GOD, IS JESUS IN US!

I hope God will REVEAL this Truth to you.
there is nothing wrong in a water baptism, the only question i ask is who should baptize you? And since Jesus did not baptize a single person with water, who's example doe the baptizer follow, certainly not Jesus'.

Jesus commanded it.

 

[bornagain3]

Hi Christianbound,

I was interested to see that you made the comment that baptism is necessary for salvation because Jesus commanded us to be baptised.

I want to point out to you that the Scripture you quoted, Matthew 4:13-17 has nothing to do with baptism at all, so I wondered on which Scripture you were basing your premise?

Furthermore in Luke 23:42+43 we find the thief on the cross next to Jesus being promised by Him that he would be in paradise with Him by the end of the day and he was never baptised, so how could baptism be a condition of salvation?

I will leave you in peace as it seems others have already spoken to you of the symbolism of baptism and what it truly represents and why we have ourselves baptised as believers in water.

God bless you and take care.

 

[christianbound]

Hi Christianbound,

I was interested to see that you made the comment that baptism is necessary for salvation because Jesus commanded us to be baptised.

I want to point out to you that the Scripture you quoted, Matthew 4:13-17 has nothing to do with baptism at all, so I wondered on which Scripture you were basing your premise?

Furthermore in Luke 23:42+43 we find the thief on the cross next to Jesus being promised by Him that he would be in paradise with Him by the end of the day and he was never baptised, so how could baptism be a condition of salvation?

I will leave you in peace as it seems others have already spoken to you of the symbolism of baptism and what it truly represents and why we have ourselves baptised as believers in water.

God bless you and take care.

Thank you for being kind What, then, is Matthew 4:13-17 speaking of?

 

[Bookends]

what about "who is not born of water and spirit shall not enter the kingdom of heaven"

Being born of water does not mean being born from woman.
OBVIOUSLY, you have to be BORN to even accept the gospel.


Anyway, I am taking an internet break for possibly a week while my son is home from school on fall break...

See you lovely people in a week.

I agree with EG on this one (imagine that )... Jesus is just explaining there are two types of births, a natural one and spiritual one. And once we receive Christ by authentically repenting and by faith, we enter into the baptism of the Spirit. We become spiritual reborn, then comes the issue of our flesh and the internal war begins. 1 Cor. 6:17, 7 But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him.

I do believe that once you are saved, you should be baptized, as a witness to the world that your commitment to the world (sin) is dead, and you are now alive to Christ.

 

[christianbound]

Well everyone has their beliefs about what Baptism is and such. My point is.....it is necessary because it was commanded. That was it. I am not here to argue or change my mind about what I know. But I thank everyone who has posted. I enjoyed most of it

 

[eternally-gratefull]

then if water does not place us into the blood of Christ, when are we placed into the blood of Christ?

The moment you place your faith in Christ, recieve his gift, and confess jesus is Lord you are placed into (baptized) the death and burial of Christ. where your sins are washed. Scripture says we are washed by the word, We are washed by the spirit (titus 3: 5) As jesus told the disciples, they were already clean by the WORD he had given them.

Trying to limit God to water and the work of man is no different than the jews limiting God until man circumcised you, Both represent washing, both are symbols of what God does to you when you are adopted into his family by the redemption which is in Christ Jesus.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Let me elaborate.....there is no other way to be emerssed into the blood of Christ accept through repentance , confess that Jesus is God in the flesh, and the emerssion of water.

I also want to say that I was corrected tonight when I said accepting Jesus. The Bible does not say accepting Jesus.....it says confess Jesus is the son of God. I worded it wrong and apologize.

This is wrong. Immersion in water is not what cleanses us, Immersion into the death and burial of Christ does. And ONLY God can do this.

 

[christianbound]

This is wrong. Immersion in water is not what cleanses us, Immersion into the death and burial of Christ does. And ONLY God can do this.

Okay. And Jesus still says to be baptized. It is still a salvation issue.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Okay. And Jesus still says to be baptized. It is still a salvation issue.

No it is not, because jesus said to take communion often in remembrance of him, he said to not forsake the assembling of ourselves together, he said to love God and our neighbor, he said to go into the world and spread the gospel, he told us to do many things, and those things are no more a salvation issue than baptism is, if your going to make one command essential, you better make them all essential, and in doing so, you will disqualify every man woman and child who ever lived or will live, because we have all failed to obey everything jesus commanded us to do.

Like paul said, if your going to command one part of the law (circumcision0 you are obligated to obey it all (every command), baptism, which signifies cleansing, is no different than circumcision, which also represents cleansing, your making the same mistake the jews did.

 

[Sonofjesuschrist]

I have seen it said that Baptism is just a symbol of our faith or following to Jesus. I just want to point out to those questioning it that even Jesus himself was baptized in Matthew 4:13-17. He said to John, ''Let it be so now, it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness''.(NIV) This is necessary for salvation. You must repent and accept Jesus and BE BAPTIZED!!!!!

We all need to be bartize out of faith, we die in flesh and live in spirit

 

[GreenNnice]

Ye must be born of water & of Spirit.

Born.of who?.

Also, aboundingchristian, we must do it because it is as you say, commanded

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Ye must be born of water & of Spirit.

Born.of who?.

Also, aboundingchristian, we must do it because it is as you say, commanded

Everyone is born of water (flesh) Only those who are born of the spirit will be saved.

Jesus was answering a question. Must I enter my mothers womb again (water). if people would take it in context, there would not be so much horrible interpretation of this simple passage.

 

[christianbound]

No it is not, because jesus said to take communion often in remembrance of him, he said to not forsake the assembling of ourselves together, he said to love God and our neighbor, he said to go into the world and spread the gospel, he told us to do many things, and those things are no more a salvation issue than baptism is, if your going to make one command essential, you better make them all essential, and in doing so, you will disqualify every man woman and child who ever lived or will live, because we have all failed to obey everything jesus commanded us to do.

Like paul said, if your going to command one part of the law (circumcision0 you are obligated to obey it all (every command), baptism, which signifies cleansing, is no different than circumcision, which also represents cleansing, your making the same mistake the jews did.

I do think these are all important for salvation. And when we fail we are to repent. No one is perfect.

 

[GreenNnice]

Everyone is born of water (flesh) Only those who are born of the spirit will be saved.

Jesus was answering a question. Must I enter my mothers womb again (water). if people would take it in context, there would not be so much horrible interpretation of this simple passage.

Getting baptized is prescient of faith. Born of God , 1 John 3:6 by the way

 

[Sonofjesuschrist]

I am not adding works. Again, I quote Matthew 4:13-17. It is pretty clear.

Sister,
Works for Salvation in one thing.
Being saved and out of love for Jesus Christ doing things he commands you to do is not works.
Also let me sak you something. if you see a person in need Ur not going to help cause thats works.

James 2:14-18

What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.

 

[clarkthompson]

believers chosing not to be baptisied is a sin I don't believe it is nessary for salvation but faith without works is dead without baptism your faith will be dead

 

[Ariel82]

Jesus was baptized when He was thirty just before He started preaching.

in the same way just before God entrusts us with any public ministry we have to make a public declaration of our allegiance with God through water baptism. Baptism is more than just a dip in the water its telling the whole world both seen and unseen whose child you truly are. Its lighting a lamp and placing it on a hilltop. people and spirits will immediately try and blow it out or make it fall, but God will help you overcome. Baptism isn't needed for salvation, its needed for maturity in Christ. its an extension of faith.

even in the Old testament a man was told to bath in the waters to be cleansed of leprosy and God talks about how though our sins are crimson He will wash as white as snow.

however i don't think its a sin not to baptized. I think its a personal thing between the person and God. God will place it in their hearts the right time and place to be baptized.

 

[feedm3]

Baptism is the Only way to come into contact with the blood of Christ:

1Jn 5:7 For there are three that testify:
1Jn 5:8 the Spirit and the water and the blood; and these three agree.

The Spirit commands us to be baptized - Acts 2:38

The blood washes us of our sins - Acts 22:16

The water is the method God chose for us to obey - Acts 8:16

You cannot be washed in the Spirit or the blood until you are baptized in water, because they all agree in ONE. Their is ONLY ONE baptism, the fore it cannot be done separately Eph 4:4-f.

Baptism:
1. adds you to the church - Acts 2:48, 47.
2. Washes away your sins by the blood of Christ - Acts 22:16
3. Put you into/buries you with Christ - Rom 6:3; Gal 3:27

So yes Baptism is absolutely necessary for salvatian. Not baptism alone, you must have faith (duh), repentance, confession, live faithful, all are part of God's grace that saves us.

I Pet 3:21 ...Baptism doth also now save us...not the washing away of the filth of the flesh, but an answer of a good conscience toward God.

Not the washing of dirt off our skin, but the washing of the conscience, the inner man, who is not made clean through the blood of Christ.

The ONLY reason people reject baptism as a part of salvation, is a forced conclusion due to attempting to remain consistent within the "faith ONLY" doctrine.

Otherwise no one reject such plain commands that clearly state save us.

Instead of changing the doctrine to fit the scripture, people change the scripture to fit the doctrine.