Baptism is necessary for Salvation!!!!!

feedm3 · Oct 12, 2012

My friend I would ask you then, if you believe not being baptized is a sin, and causes dead faith (and I agree 100%) then how is it not nessary for salvation?

Can we be saved in sin with dead faith? Of course we cannot, thefore baptism is a must, so we can be washed by the blood of Christ. I Jn 5:8 - the water and blood are one.

You cant come into contact with the blood without the water. You must be born of water and of spirit - Jn 3:5

Dont let anyone fool you into thinking the "water" in Jn 3 is birth, seeing that is not even water anyway, yet they dont say that about I Jn 5:8, they are inconsistent.

Baptism in John's day (John the baptist) was for repentance, to believe on him who was to come. That is not the same reason and effect it has under the NT Covenant. Now it put's us into Christ, and washes us of our sins - Acts 22:16.

Not HS baptism, because even so, that would need the water, because the 3 "agree in one".

People are rejecting this because they dont want to believe we have to do anything to get to heaven.

Heb 5:8-9 implies salvation belongs only to the obedient.

Obedience is a duty, not a work - Luk 17:10
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Dont be fooled into thinking your duty makes you "earn something." Read Luke 17:10, The lord bats that attitude down with "ye are still unprofitable servants" even after they kept all his commands.

enochson · Oct 12, 2012

No baptism cannot save you this is a lie

feedm3 · Oct 12, 2012

enochson said:

Nice use of scripture to prove your point. Love how you refuted all those passages I posted.

willfollowsGod · Oct 12, 2012

I agree baptism cannot save you. There are many people who have been baptized but really did not walk the walk and were not saved. I was one who was baptized and then left. I truly was not saved until I recommitted my life to Jesus Christ. I knew that I was saved. Think about it the thieve was not baptized with water, but he still went to paradise. Just out of curiosity, was Paul ever baptized? Baptism is a symbol that you have chosen to declare that Jesus Christ is your Lord and Savior to the world. It is usually public. So baptism has not saved you, Jesus has. I am surprised that this problem even started up. The Bible seems clear to me that baptism cannot save you.

For example, think about it. Some people wear the cross not as just a piece of jewelry or because they like wearing it, but wear it as an expression of their faith in Jesus Christ. The same has to do with the Bible, some can read it as just another book, others to criticize it, but also others who want something to believe in and as a result are changed. The Bible is a symbol of the Christian faith, but not everyone who come to Jesus has had time to read a Bible before they were martyred for their faith. I hope that helps. God bless and have a beautiful day!

feedm3 · Oct 12, 2012

No baptism cannot save you. Neither can repeance, belief, ect. None of them can save you by themsleves, yet all of them are required to be saved.

II Cor 7:10 "repentace lead to salavtion" <---Said to Christains who repented becuase of Pauls letter. Yet we udnerstand repentance alone does not save you.

I Pet 3:21 baptism does also now save us <----Becuase it washes the inner man of his sins by the blood of Christ, yet baptism alone does nothing. As you said, many are baptized and do not walk the walk, this does not mean they are saved just because they were baptized.

Yet many also "believe" that Jesus died for their sins, and yet they dont walk the walk, And like baptism, they are not saved by belief alone.

One who refuses to be baptized, is not washed by the blood of Christ, adn is being disobedient, proving his faith is dead.

JaumeJ · Oct 13, 2012

Sonofjesuschrist said:

Anything we do, though some are regarded as works, are our due(duty.) We do no favors for our Father. Once we have experienced the great Love that is Yahweh, God, it is impossible not to act and do to please Him; it is simply impossible, and His commands should be a pleasure. If it is not a pleasure for one to serve Yahweh, God, something is seriously lacking.

RickShafer · Oct 13, 2012

Good luck to the thief on the cross.
Oh, that's right, he didn't need luck. Jesus told him he would
be with Him in paradise that same day.

What did Peter say about baptism? (Wasn't he who said you had to
be baptized when he preached to those smitten by the signs through the believers on the day of Pentecost?

He said of water baptism, that it was "not for the putting off of the filth of the flesh but the answer of a
clear (clean) conscience towards God".

Water baptism doesn't save you.
It is an outward proclamation of your stance that Jesus is your Lord.
Does that mean because you take it that Jesus IS in fact your Lord?
Don't you think you ought to ask Him? - Or better yet His Spirit?

TheAristocat · Oct 13, 2012

christianbound said:

1 Corinthians 1:14, 17 I thank God that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius, [...] For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel—not with wisdom and eloquence, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.

Why would Paul thank God that he did not baptize anyone if baptism were necessary for salvation? Why would Christ not send Paul to baptize if it were necessary for salvation? Why is the gospel message contrasted with baptism here? I think baptism can complete our faith, but I don't think salvation is among its intrinsic powers.

JaumeJ · Oct 13, 2012

TheAristocat said:

Paul did baptize some. His mission was not to baptize rather to preach the Good News to the gentiles. Just as some are given different gifts, so Paul was instructed as to his specific duties. Paul does not teach against baptizing here; he is simply stating he was not called for that particular duty but he did baptize some when necessary.

TheAristocat · Oct 13, 2012

JaumeJ said:

Certainly there's nothing wrong with baptism. I'm just saying that if one's mission is to save souls for the kingdom of God, then save souls. If baptism were necessary for salvation, then Paul here is saying that Christ did not send him out to bring anyone to salvation. Moreover, he'd be thanking God that he did not have a hand in bringing anyone to salvation.

JaumeJ · Oct 13, 2012

TheAristocat said:

Paul left the baptizing to other servants of Yeshua, Jesus.

GreenNnice · Oct 13, 2012

TheAristocat said:

Baptism DOES complete our faith, but it is something done as the Lord leads you.
It accentuated your relationship with the Lord and brings on untold 'power' into your life to do things for Christ and see of Christ that otherwise would remain unseen.

Salvation is by FAITH ! It is God's grace that has ALLOWED us salvation, NOT baptism, but, in the Lord, Christ peeps, just follow Him, in Spirit and in Truth, as He leads you.

He does lead you in your 'walk.'

The Lord leads

For eg: water is not part of birth. 'Her water broke' is amrican slang.
The water o birth is amniotic fluid.

Feed SAys it perfectly . Go re-read His, oops, his

, posts

feedm3 · Oct 13, 2012

TheAristocat said:

You have to take in the whole context of what was going on to understand what Paul was saying.

They were dividing themselves according to who baptized them, making division from the very start.

Division is not part of the gospel, the gospel teaches unity. Without the gospel, what is baptism? NOTHING

13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul? <---There is his point, Christ is not divided, Paul did not baptize in his own name

14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius; <---So he was baptizing

15 Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name. <---Thankful he did not baptize those who misunderstood baptism, and were segrating themselves under who baptized them.

16 And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.

17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect <-----He was sent for the purpose of reveling the gospel, which commands us to be baptized. NOT for the purpose of baptizing people unto himself, and making his own followers.

That is the point of what he is saying. He is not implying that baptism is not needed, or that it is non essential to salvation.

He would know, Paul was told to "arise and be baptized and wash away thy sins calling upon the name of the Lord" - Acts 22:16

He teaches baptism - Rom 6:3; Gal 3:27;

Using what he said here to try and show baptism is not needed, is to ignore the context, the problem, and pull what he said out of context.

eternally-gratefull · Oct 13, 2012

christianbound said:

This does not make sense. Since God has said those who are not born of him can not do the works of God, in fact it says they are foolishness to them. So how can one do these works in order to glorify God if they have not been born again?

this would mean they are a result of salvation, and not a part of it.

one must remember, The pharisees did the work of God (what they were commanded) but they did not do it to glorify God (because they were Gods children, as David did) but in order to "gain" something (Gods forgiveness and his salvation), in other words it was self motivated. And the true things of God were foolishness to them (it is why they crucified Christ)

Many in the church after it was started made this same mistake (yes satan got to them too) and people were doing the works commanded by God not to glorify him, (Because God saved them) but out of self gain (in order to EARN salvation)

eternally-gratefull · Oct 13, 2012

GreenNnice said:

1 John 3 has nothing to do with baptism, Jesus never mentioned the word in the passage. John 3 is how one is born again, Nicodemus asked why must he enter his mothers womb (water) and jesus responded to his question. He spoke of being born of the spirit. And he told him how, Through faith in Christ (john 3: 16) I think it should be very evident to anyone with an open mind, If jesus had meant baptism, he would have mentioned it in John 3: 16, and not just faith in him.

He told nicodemus how to be born again, By faith.

He told the woman in John 4 how to be given eternal water (speaking of the HS

He told all the people in John 6 how to eat the food which endures forever, to eternal life.

in all three instances, he said in faith. No mention of baptism period. why is this?

Tommy4Christ · Oct 13, 2012

There is only one baptism required to be saved, and its not getting dunked in water, yes water baptism is what a saved and cleansed person through repentance WILL do, but in no way does it remove sins, Jesus does, as His blood is for the remissions of sins, but we have our part to do in this matter:

For godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation, not to be regretted; but the sorrow of the world produces death. For observe this very thing, that you sorrowed in a godly manner: What diligence it produced in you, what clearing of yourselves, what indignation, what fear, what vehement desire, what zeal, what vindication! In all things you proved yourselves to be clear in this matter. 2Cor7:10-11

What Exactly did this Repentance Produce and HOW did it WORK?

It Produced:
1)Diligence and Zeal in the People Repenting
2)A Clearing of the Wrong Doing
3)Godly Fear and Reverence
4)Vehement Desire, with Zeal to DO what was Right!

It PROVED Them to be CLEAR in all things concerning the matter!

Thus the Biblical PROCESS of True Repentance! THE CLEANING Happens HERE, Not Afterward!
Note the Following Words:

Clearing: Apologia (Eng., "apology"), "a defense against an accusation," signifies, in 2 Cor. 7:11, a clearing of oneself.

Clear: pure, pure from carnality, chaste, modest, pure from every fault, immaculate, clean. Translated Pure in other passages.

The Pastors are WRONG! The Clean up DOES NOT Happen later, as they have all stated, but in the PROCESS of Repentance. In Fact, This is where the PURITY of Heart is derived the Bible Speaks of in Many Passages as the PURPOSE of the Commandment. (1Tim1:5)

If the Wrong Doing is made PURE, as this Passage Proven, by Repentance, then the Old man must ALSO be IMMEDIATELY Put to Death during this Process. WHICH Scripture also PROVES in Rom 6:4-6

The BAPTISM of DEATH or BAPTISM of Repentance! Rom6:6.
Rom 6:6 knowing this, that our old man is crucified with Him in order that the body of sin might be destroyed, that from now on we should not serve sin.
INDEED, ‘IAM Crucified with Christ’ is shown to have been Completed in the Past, ONCE and for all, NOT to be Repeated! THAT is the CORRECT Translation of this Passage. It is NOT a Gradual Process that happens over time and has NOTHING to do with Sanctification. The old man DIES in Repentance, so the New man can be BORN into the Kingdom and Taught as a Babe the Ways of God with a NEW HEART made PURE in Love! courtesy standingthegap.org

feedm3 · Oct 13, 2012

Tommy4Christ said:

How does one come into contact to the blood of Christ? It is not by simply believing.

I Pet 3:21 and Acts 22:16 disagree with you, as Acts 22 says "arise and be baptized and wash away thy sins calling upoin the name of the Lord" and Peter says "baptism doth also now save us".

If you want to come into contact with the blood of Christ, you must be commanded to by the Spirit (this is through the gospel - Rom 1:16; Acts 2:38)

The Spirit commands us to be immersed in water - and then we contact the blood of Christ because we humbled ourselves to do what is required of our Lord.

I Jn 5:8 the Spirit, the water, and blood, and these threee agree in ONE

There is ONLY one baptism - Eph 4:5

This one baptism is in water, that washes us with the blood of Christ, because
the blood and the water agree IN ONE

I Jn 5:8 is good commentary for what the true meaning of John 3:5 is. the Lord is not saying in order to get to heaven we must be born first, then be born of the Spirit, that is redundant.

To be born of water and of the Spirit is because the spirit water and the blood agree in one.

a Woman's water breaking as Green pointed out earlier is American slang, and in fact it isnt even water.

The Jews in Acts 2 asked Peter what they should do to be saved - Acts 2:37

He replied "repent and be baptized". What if they said we will repent, but not be baptized?

Then they really did not repent, as they are refusing to obey God. This refusal also keeps them from the ONLY method God chose for us to be washed by the blood of Christ.

The water and blood always are together. Even the OT hints to this, as God turned all the waters to blood which along with many other things in the OT typified (foreshadowed) the coming age of Christ.

When Christ was pierced, Luke made a point to mention out came water and blood.

Sure there is probably a medical explanation as to why this happened, yet I believe is was to further testify of the relationship of the two, the water and the blood.

If we know the blood of Christ is was washes us from our sins.

And we know that Paul was command to be baptized to wash away his sins.

If both do the the something (wash away sin), then both must be equal to each other.

Which is exactly what I Jn 5:8 is telling you.

spacefreak · Oct 13, 2012

even though it is a command to get baptized being baptized is not what saves you.

iamsoandso · Oct 13, 2012

baptism,,,,baptize,,out of all the words translated this one(among many)is left in Greek and not translated into English. so then see "john 1:33",,,"he that sent me to baptize",,,,(water),,,,so notice Christ has not yet been crucified yet(washed/baptized you in his blood),,,,so then "baptism by water/of john" is before Christ began his ministry,before the crucifixion,,and before the comforter was sent john 16;7,,,,john 15;26...john 14;16,,,,,,,now we know this is the holy spirit that set upon the apostles in the upper room in the book of acts,,,,Paul ask,,"since you were baptized have you received the holy spirit?"acts 19;2,,,but they had not so much as herd of it,,,,johns baptism(that is in water they had herd of it,,,but the other???),,,,,now go back to "john 1;33",,,,THE SAME IS HE THAT BAPTIZETH WITH THE HOLY GOST,,,,,,notice john himself said,,"i baptize with water",,,and that the one the spirit remained on,,,,,,,,,,,,he was going to baptize you different,,,,,,john said I'm showing you with carnal things(water),,,,,,,what he is going to do for real(spirit),,,,,,,a model of a 57 chevy,,looks just like one,,but it' not real it's a model of one,,,,,,a doll house is just how life is suppose to be,,,but it's not real,,,,,,and john was walking you through the steps,,,showing you how you were going to be "baptized",,,,,,,,,but as much as john taught you with the clay figures,,,he said "there cometh one after me",,,and he that came preformed the works john showed you with the clay figure,,,,,,,,,look at johns words,,,,,he said christ was going to come and do the thing(baptize),,,,,,,,,that he was explaining to you with his preformence,,,,,,,,

feedm3 · Oct 13, 2012

spacefreak said:

I Peter 3:21 the likefigure as were unto baptism doth also now save us, not the washing away of the filth of the flesh, but an answer of a good conscience toward God.

Baptism is PART of what saves. You cannot be saved without it.

Peter Just said what you said it does not do. He said it saves us, not by cleaning our skin as water does, but by cleaning the inner man, washing him from his sins by the blood of Christ, thus given us a good conscience knowing we have obeyed and been made clean.

Baptism is necessary for Salvation!!!!!

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