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and if Jesus said not to sin, you could also put up a verse saying look he blots out ALL of our transgressions and remembers them no more, so what then? should we keep sinning because not by works but by faith in the grace of God and by his blood we are saved?
no we do what Jesus has said for us to do.
no we do what Jesus has said for us to do.
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@MaranathaSoonQuick
3 post for what?
I think you are missing the point that "baptism" does not mean water immersion!
bap·tism/ˈbaptizəm/
Noun:
A person's initiation into a particular activity or role, typically one perceived as difficult: "his baptism as a politician".
A ceremony or occasion at which this takes place.
Today's Christians like yourself change word meanings, just because someone says baptism, you immediately think the person is talking about water immersion.
It's like saying "that movie I watched last night was sick".
Not knowing there are two interoperation of the word sick- if one is living an urban lifestyle, the person would regard the word 'sick' as in meaning 'darn cool'. But another person would regard the word meaning as 'nasty and disgusting'.
So regardless of the urban lifestyle person, when he hears the word 'sick' he should know it means nasty as that was the original meaning.
You need to recheck again when bible talks about baptism. Get the fact out of your head that 'baptism means water immersion' because it isn't.
When ever the bible mentions baptism it adds-
*baptised in the name of ...
*baptised
*baptised in water
The bible made things clear when people were baptised in water or not. Much like how Jesus speaks about our God. When he talks to his disciples or prays, he calls Father, but when he talks to people/jews and pharisees, he calls God
If you cannot get the fact that baptism does not only mean water immersion then we cannot progress and wouldn't get anywhere as we would be stuck in the same place.
in fact I have a killer quote that proves all along that me and Eternally Greateful are right.
but I can't post it now cuz I'm tired and I needed to address MaranathaSoonQuick.
3 post for what?
I think you are missing the point that "baptism" does not mean water immersion!
bap·tism/ˈbaptizəm/
Noun:
A person's initiation into a particular activity or role, typically one perceived as difficult: "his baptism as a politician".
A ceremony or occasion at which this takes place.
Today's Christians like yourself change word meanings, just because someone says baptism, you immediately think the person is talking about water immersion.
It's like saying "that movie I watched last night was sick".
Not knowing there are two interoperation of the word sick- if one is living an urban lifestyle, the person would regard the word 'sick' as in meaning 'darn cool'. But another person would regard the word meaning as 'nasty and disgusting'.
So regardless of the urban lifestyle person, when he hears the word 'sick' he should know it means nasty as that was the original meaning.
You need to recheck again when bible talks about baptism. Get the fact out of your head that 'baptism means water immersion' because it isn't.
When ever the bible mentions baptism it adds-
*baptised in the name of ...
*baptised
*baptised in water
The bible made things clear when people were baptised in water or not. Much like how Jesus speaks about our God. When he talks to his disciples or prays, he calls Father, but when he talks to people/jews and pharisees, he calls God
If you cannot get the fact that baptism does not only mean water immersion then we cannot progress and wouldn't get anywhere as we would be stuck in the same place.
in fact I have a killer quote that proves all along that me and Eternally Greateful are right.
but I can't post it now cuz I'm tired and I needed to address MaranathaSoonQuick.
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Baptism itself is NOT necessary. Baptism just allowed people to be "Washed of their sins" giving them a chance to repent of their ways, like truly saying sorry to God and that your not going to be the same anymore, but you will be new. Which is what getting saved does. Remember, John the baptist was called the "Voice cryng in the wilderness, preparing the way for the LORD", and this is exactly what Jesus did. But this was no longer something symbolic, but it was real. However, getting baptized is a powerful experience, and I do recommend getting baptized if you can.
Marking words, are we? We are not discussing what saves a soul from hell. We are discussing water baptism and I am saying, with scripture, that such is mandatory. All christians are to be baptized. Period. This is not negotiable.
But if you want to be proud and think you know better than Christ and the Apostles, Paul inclusive, plus 2000 years of christian church history, then that's your choice.
But if you want to be proud and think you know better than Christ and the Apostles, Paul inclusive, plus 2000 years of christian church history, then that's your choice.
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I am not, and no need to try and make me sound like I am. So what if a man were to pray for salvation from Christ and ask for the forgiveness of sins only to die before he was baptized? Would this man go to hell?
When I am saying it is not necessary, I am saying so for eternity. It isn't, it's very good and you should be baptized, however it isn't necessary for eternity.
When I am saying it is not necessary, I am saying so for eternity. It isn't, it's very good and you should be baptized, however it isn't necessary for eternity.
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ok the note I researched in the bible
either listen or not.
one who is not humble to listen is wrong.
*Acts 13:48
When the Gentiles heard this, they were very glad and thanked the Lord for his message; and all who were chosen for eternal life became believers.
**Acts 16:30-33
He then brought them out and asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”
31 They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved —you and your household.” 32 Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all the others in his house. 33 At that hour of the night the jailer took them and washed their wounds; then immediately he and all his household were baptized.
***Acts 19:1-7
While Apollos was at Corinth, Paul took the road through the interior and arrived at Ephesus. There he found some disciples 2 and asked them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when[a] you {}--believed--{}?”
They answered, “No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.”
3 So Paul asked, “Then what baptism did you receive?”
“John’s baptism,” they replied.
4 Paul said, “John’s baptism was a baptism of repentance. He told the people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus.” 5 On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 When Paul placed his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they spoke in tongues and prophesied. 7 There were about twelve men in all.
As you can see..water baptism DOES nothing! You CANNOT receive the Holy Spirit with water baptism AKA John's baptism. You have to be baptised IN THE name of Jesus Christ for you to receive the Holy Spirit.
Yes water baptism is still practised but means NOTHING and DOES nothing.
It is basically the church tradition they inherit way back. Jesus SAID so HIMSELF that "John baptised with water, but you will be baptised in the Holy Spirit". And John said someone is coming who "WILL baptise with Holy Spirit and Fire".
It is just pure sheer arrogance that people think water baptism matters, it is the way to get holy spirit and should be done after repentance.
How is one saved? Only by believing!
what is the believe?
when you believe God is real and sent his son to die for our sins whom is Jesus.
The believers were baptised in the name of Jesus.
how do you get baptised in the name of Jesus?
by confessing in Romans 9:10 and you want Jesus to be your Lord, that is the pledge!
Water baptism is still practised but really means nothing.
Acts 16:10 with Cornelius
I understand that when the bible talks about -*-household-*-, it isn't talking about a house full of family and children, it talks about someone and the people he is currently with in a building.
As you can see in Acts 16:10, Cornelius took Paul and others to the pool section STILL in the jail house and washed his wounds, then him and his household were baptised.
Meaning Cornelius and all his soldiers were baptised in water, same water they used to wash away the beatings from Paul's body.
Just like Lydia of Thyatira in Acts.
I was actually wrong about the household, until I now know the meaning.
Paul saw Lydia of Thyatira with other women in a prayer meeting, but Lydia was the only one who believed. So she was baptised along with her household.
Who were the household? all the other women!
And to counteract the Acts 2:38 people love to quote, here is mine:
Acts 3:19
19 Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord
Summed up pretty nice!
Repent- pray for your sins
turn to God- pledge to Father, Jesus is Lord Romans 9:10
sins wiped out- Jesus blood WASHES away your sins, NOT WATER
times of refreshing may come- your new life will start.
All these happened to me, as soon as I repented to Jesus, he instantly stopped my addiction and I felt new.
My life was completely changed.
And no WATER Involved.
If water was 100% important, then I'm sure the Holy Spirit and Jesus would have guided me.
So far..they haven't, they just showed me the truth that I was baptised in Jesus which is all that matters.
Proving that all your Acts 2:38 quoting is void and invalid.
either listen or not.
one who is not humble to listen is wrong.
*Acts 13:48
When the Gentiles heard this, they were very glad and thanked the Lord for his message; and all who were chosen for eternal life became believers.
**Acts 16:30-33
He then brought them out and asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”
31 They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved —you and your household.” 32 Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all the others in his house. 33 At that hour of the night the jailer took them and washed their wounds; then immediately he and all his household were baptized.
***Acts 19:1-7
While Apollos was at Corinth, Paul took the road through the interior and arrived at Ephesus. There he found some disciples 2 and asked them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when[a] you {}--believed--{}?”
They answered, “No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.”
3 So Paul asked, “Then what baptism did you receive?”
“John’s baptism,” they replied.
4 Paul said, “John’s baptism was a baptism of repentance. He told the people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus.” 5 On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 When Paul placed his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they spoke in tongues and prophesied. 7 There were about twelve men in all.
As you can see..water baptism DOES nothing! You CANNOT receive the Holy Spirit with water baptism AKA John's baptism. You have to be baptised IN THE name of Jesus Christ for you to receive the Holy Spirit.
Yes water baptism is still practised but means NOTHING and DOES nothing.
It is basically the church tradition they inherit way back. Jesus SAID so HIMSELF that "John baptised with water, but you will be baptised in the Holy Spirit". And John said someone is coming who "WILL baptise with Holy Spirit and Fire".
It is just pure sheer arrogance that people think water baptism matters, it is the way to get holy spirit and should be done after repentance.
How is one saved? Only by believing!
what is the believe?
when you believe God is real and sent his son to die for our sins whom is Jesus.
The believers were baptised in the name of Jesus.
how do you get baptised in the name of Jesus?
by confessing in Romans 9:10 and you want Jesus to be your Lord, that is the pledge!
Water baptism is still practised but really means nothing.
Acts 16:10 with Cornelius
I understand that when the bible talks about -*-household-*-, it isn't talking about a house full of family and children, it talks about someone and the people he is currently with in a building.
As you can see in Acts 16:10, Cornelius took Paul and others to the pool section STILL in the jail house and washed his wounds, then him and his household were baptised.
Meaning Cornelius and all his soldiers were baptised in water, same water they used to wash away the beatings from Paul's body.
Just like Lydia of Thyatira in Acts.
I was actually wrong about the household, until I now know the meaning.
Paul saw Lydia of Thyatira with other women in a prayer meeting, but Lydia was the only one who believed. So she was baptised along with her household.
Who were the household? all the other women!
And to counteract the Acts 2:38 people love to quote, here is mine:
Acts 3:19
19 Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord
Summed up pretty nice!
Repent- pray for your sins
turn to God- pledge to Father, Jesus is Lord Romans 9:10
sins wiped out- Jesus blood WASHES away your sins, NOT WATER
times of refreshing may come- your new life will start.
All these happened to me, as soon as I repented to Jesus, he instantly stopped my addiction and I felt new.
My life was completely changed.
And no WATER Involved.
If water was 100% important, then I'm sure the Holy Spirit and Jesus would have guided me.
So far..they haven't, they just showed me the truth that I was baptised in Jesus which is all that matters.
Proving that all your Acts 2:38 quoting is void and invalid.
X
you are right.
but what washes away your sins? Jesus blood or water?
what does water have to do with people repenting their ways? they have mouth to confess their sins to Jesus our Father.
getting baptised is a powerful experience? to some it is.
I heard someone saying when he came out of the water he felt nothing, but pretended he felt different so people would cheer.
It is easy to understand.
Way back before Jesus walked on Earth, John did a baptism of repentance so people can repent to God for their sins with water, Because we couldn't pray to God to have our sins forgiven that is...
But Jesus came as a sinless man, was baptised for us so we don't need to (others will say he set an example for us).
To me he was baptised to fulfil the scripture. Because of being baptised, he received the Holy Spirit, which he would use to baptised us later when he is glorified. Remember when he was on earth, authority to forgive sins were given to him. When he was raised up and glorified, ALL authority were given to him
John clearly says there is one who is much stronger than him and will baptise with holy spirit and fire.
Jesus said John's baptism is of repentance but he will baptise with holy spirit.
Paul said so again that you can't get holy spirit unless you are baptised in name of Jesus, John's baptism is only for repentance.
I seriously DON'T see the use of John's Baptism of repentance. Because it is easy for us to get our sins forgiving by repenting. And we repent through prayer.
I was watching a testimony about a Muslim guy who saw Jesus. Jesus forgave his heavy sins.
Jesus said to him, he forgives people sins so easy, "easy as drinking water".
The video was very powerful because through prayer, Jesus will easily forgive our sins.
WHich he did for me. I prayed and repented and my porn addiction were gone, temptation gone in 1 second.
So the water baptism is not needed. I don't know why people do it, but they do it FOR the church.
but what washes away your sins? Jesus blood or water?
what does water have to do with people repenting their ways? they have mouth to confess their sins to Jesus our Father.
getting baptised is a powerful experience? to some it is.
I heard someone saying when he came out of the water he felt nothing, but pretended he felt different so people would cheer.
It is easy to understand.
Way back before Jesus walked on Earth, John did a baptism of repentance so people can repent to God for their sins with water, Because we couldn't pray to God to have our sins forgiven that is...
But Jesus came as a sinless man, was baptised for us so we don't need to (others will say he set an example for us).
To me he was baptised to fulfil the scripture. Because of being baptised, he received the Holy Spirit, which he would use to baptised us later when he is glorified. Remember when he was on earth, authority to forgive sins were given to him. When he was raised up and glorified, ALL authority were given to him
John clearly says there is one who is much stronger than him and will baptise with holy spirit and fire.
Jesus said John's baptism is of repentance but he will baptise with holy spirit.
Paul said so again that you can't get holy spirit unless you are baptised in name of Jesus, John's baptism is only for repentance.
I seriously DON'T see the use of John's Baptism of repentance. Because it is easy for us to get our sins forgiving by repenting. And we repent through prayer.
I was watching a testimony about a Muslim guy who saw Jesus. Jesus forgave his heavy sins.
Jesus said to him, he forgives people sins so easy, "easy as drinking water".
The video was very powerful because through prayer, Jesus will easily forgive our sins.
WHich he did for me. I prayed and repented and my porn addiction were gone, temptation gone in 1 second.
So the water baptism is not needed. I don't know why people do it, but they do it FOR the church.
X
1 Corinthians 10:1-2
"I don't want you to forget, dear brothers and sisters, about our ancestors in the wilderness long ago. All of them were guided by a cloud that moved ahead of them, and all of them walked through the sea on dry ground.
In the cloud and in the sea, all of them were baptized as followers of Moses."
for people who still think that baptism means water immersion and there is only one baptism.
tell me what 1 corin 10:1-2 says?
how can the people who followed Moses be baptised when God raised the red sea?
baptising have 2 meanings, 1 is water immersion and second is pledge/believe.
when the people thought they had no hope left and Moses used the staff to raise the ocean of the Red Sea through God. Was THEN people believed Moses and all trusted their faith unto him.
do not be fooled!
baptism practised today is of Johns, it means nothing, just a -symbol-. it is of repentance. But we only repent by praying to Jesus who forgives our sins. You cannot receive the Holy Spirit when you go into the water as Acts 19:1-7 says. You need to be baptised into Jesus Christ to receive the Holy Spirit.
"I don't want you to forget, dear brothers and sisters, about our ancestors in the wilderness long ago. All of them were guided by a cloud that moved ahead of them, and all of them walked through the sea on dry ground.
In the cloud and in the sea, all of them were baptized as followers of Moses."
for people who still think that baptism means water immersion and there is only one baptism.
tell me what 1 corin 10:1-2 says?
how can the people who followed Moses be baptised when God raised the red sea?
baptising have 2 meanings, 1 is water immersion and second is pledge/believe.
when the people thought they had no hope left and Moses used the staff to raise the ocean of the Red Sea through God. Was THEN people believed Moses and all trusted their faith unto him.
do not be fooled!
baptism practised today is of Johns, it means nothing, just a -symbol-. it is of repentance. But we only repent by praying to Jesus who forgives our sins. You cannot receive the Holy Spirit when you go into the water as Acts 19:1-7 says. You need to be baptised into Jesus Christ to receive the Holy Spirit.