being babtized and then being infilled with Holy Ghost

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Crazy4GODword

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@Elizabeth

I am going one more time carefully ok?

Ok, now there is two different kinds of baptism. One is what you had was being baptized in the water for remission of sins. But being born again is having the Holy Spirit born in you to live. Now I don't think the man on the cross went to hell because he wasn't baptized in the Spirit. But usually Christian are suppose to be born again. John 3 I believe says you must be born again to enter the kingdom of God. All being born again is the filling of the Holy Spirit, not gifts. Gifts are made to glorify God not to be saved. Do you want to be Spiritually baptized?
 

Elizabeth619

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@Elizabeth

I am going one more time carefully ok?

Ok, now there is two different kinds of baptism. One is what you had was being baptized in the water for remission of sins. But being born again is having the Holy Spirit born in you to live. Now I don't think the man on the cross went to hell because he wasn't baptized in the Spirit. But usually Christian are suppose to be born again. John 3 I believe says you must be born again to enter the kingdom of God. All being born again is the filling of the Holy Spirit, not gifts. Gifts are made to glorify God not to be saved. Do you want to be Spiritually baptized?

Then you don't seem to understand why certain Christians are baptized(water baptism). I have said multiple times when one becomes a Christian the Holy Spirit Dwells in them.

Being "born again" is to be made like new. Childlike. A child is looked at as having no sin(a baby). When one is baptized their sins are washed away and made "new". In other words...born again.


As far as gifts are concerend, the apostles healing people in the first century. They did not heal those who believed. I fimrly believe that JEsus laid his hands on the apostles and passed gifts on for them to help prove the Gospel.

And today, when someone is "baptised of the holy spirit" and they "recieve gifts" Christians today say they are to glorify God....well, if you look back in the NT you will see that the "miracles and gifts" today are different than what is recorded in the bible.

God can heal the sick. He can take away sorrow, but he certainly doesnt need a human vessel to do that

This is MY interpretation, ok? This is not meant for you or anyone to tell me I am wrong, but for you to inderstand where i am coming from.

I am not speaking to YOU necessarily, but for anyone to claim to be a Christian and outright tell me I am wrong needs to go back and read the bible, before that point fingers.

It is rather fuinny though. The type of congregation I attend is always stereotyped that we go around saying "If you dont believe the way we do then you are going to Hell"....I think some should look in the morror. I have been ridiculed several times on here for me interpreting the scrptures a different way. I guess it is easier for someone to condemn than it is to help.

Again, Grazy4God, i am not referring to you, I just took the opportunity to post that in the post where I quoted you bc i am too lazy to make another post lol.
 
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Crazy4GODword

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I have admit something, and I am not being rude. Seems you don't know much about being born again. Do you read the bible? Just asking because water baptism isn't how your born again. Jesus said Himself, For John truly baptized with water, but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.

Once you believe in Jesus Christ and pray the Sinner's prayer to be saved you don't always start off the Holy Ghost being born in you. You have to wait for Jesus to baptize you spiritually not by water. The water just washes your sin and more but spiritual baptism is Jesus living in you. Like I said before not everyone get the Holy Ghost once you believe, you have to wait or ask God to give you the Holy Ghost. Once you get it, your born again (that's just it). Do you understand? :)

Love ya sister :)
 
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While it is a fact that Cornelius did receive a “baptism” of the Holy Spirit (Acts 10:45; 11:15-16), the key to understanding why Holy Spirit baptism is not being replicated today is to be found in discovering the purpose behind the particular events of Acts 10.
Let me begin by saying there is no reason to deny that Cornelius and his kinsmen actually were given a “baptism” of the Holy Spirit, as some have done (in over-reacting to certain denominational claims). The facts are too clear in this case.
(1) Centuries before the birth of Jesus, the prophet Joel foretold of a time when the Holy Spirit would be poured out upon “all flesh.” The expression “all flesh” obviously is not employed in an unrestricted sense (which would include every human being — or even animals, since they have “flesh”). Rather, the phrase “all flesh” merely embodies the two major segments of humanity, from that ancient vantage point, i.e., the Jews and the Gentiles.
(2) On the day of Pentecost, Peter quoted Joel’s prophetic declaration (see Acts 2:16ff), thus revealing that the prophecy was beginning to enjoy its fulfillment that very day. Since, however, only the apostles (all of whom were Jews) received this outpouring of the Spirit on that occasion, one must look for a further bestowal of the Spirit to exhaust the scope of Joel’s prediction.
(3) This outpouring of the Holy Spirit is metaphorically designated as a “baptism” (see Mt. 3:11; Acts 1:5; 11:16) because it involved an overwhelming, miraculous bestowal of divine power (see J.H. Thayer, Greek-English Lexicon, p. 94).
(4) The final demonstration of “Holy Spirit baptism” occurred when Peter and his Jewish brothers visited the family of Cornelius in the city of Caesarea (Acts 10). The Spirit of God was “poured out” (10:45) on Cornielius, his family, and near friends at that time. Later, as Peter defended their acceptance of the Gentiles (to the Jewish church) he identified the Caesarean experience with the events that occurred “at the beginning” (i.e., on Pentecost). He further tied the circumstance to John’s prophecy of a “baptism” in the Spirit; he even called it a “like gift” (Acts 11:15-17). Moreover, the evidence of the Spirit’s endowment was demonstrated similarly. Both the apostles on Pentecost, and the Gentiles during this incident, were empowered to speak with languages they previously had not known (2:4ff; 10:46).
Purpose

The fact that the apostles received a supernatural outpouring of the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost, and the further reality that the Gentiles also were given a similar experience a while later, does not mean: (a) that the same purpose obtained in both cases; or, (b) that equivalent authority was bestowed in each instance.
In fact, in each of these cases, a different purpose and scope of authority was manifested by the overwhelming reception of the Holy Spirit.
Why Did the Apostles Receive the Holy Spirit?

The purpose for which the apostles received the Spirit on the day of Pentecost was unique. The background of this matter is vividly described in John’s Gospel account. The Lord promised his apostles that they would receive an unparalleled measure of the Spirit’s power to guide them in teaching the gospel in an infallible way. The Spirit would bring to their memories the things they had learned from the Savior (Jn. 14:26). He would guide them into all truth and declare unto them things to come (Jn. 16:13). The Lord promised they would be able to proclaim his message, unfettered by the need of personal preparation; rather, gospel truth would be “given” to them as they required it (Mt. 10:19-20; cf. Lk. 21:14).
The apostles have no successors today; the gospel message is embodied in the sacred Scriptures of the New Testament. These documents carry the same weight as the messages proclaimed by Christ’s original disciples (cf. Mt. 19:28; 1 Cor. 13:8ff; Eph. 2:20). [Note: For a discussion of Matthew 19:28, as pertaining to the present authority of the apostles of Christ, see J.W. McGarvey, Commentary on Matthew and Mark, p. 170.] There is no need today, therefore, for a replication of Holy Spirit baptism, such as was received by the Lord’s apostles.
Why Did Cornelius Receive the Holy Spirit?

The baptism of the Spirit at the house of Cornelius was different in design from that received by the apostles (though the manifestation, i.e., speaking in foreign languages, was the same). There is no evidence that Cornelius had teaching powers analogous to the apostles. Certainly there is no indication that the centurion could lay his hands upon other people, thus imparting to them spiritual gifts, as an apostle could do (see Acts 8:18; 19:6; 2 Tim. 1:6).
The purpose for which Cornelius was granted the Spirit was to demonstrate to the Jews that God was ready for the gospel to be offered to the Gentiles — which circumstance constituted a problem in the thinking of the Hebrews. This was evidenced by the fact that even Peter initially resisted the idea that the Gentiles could become Christians (Acts 10:14ff), as did the Jews of Jerusalem when they learned of the matter (Acts 11:2-3). It was the miraculous demonstration of the Spirit upon Cornelius and his associates that turned the tide (cf. Acts 11:4ff; 15:7ff). The effect of this divine documentation of Gentile acceptance remains intact to this very day. Accordingly, there is no need for a modern, supernatural outpouring of the Spirit to accomplish the same purpose.
Conclusion

Those who argue for a “Holy Spirit baptism” today misconstrue the design of that experience, as bestowed upon the early apostles, and then the first Gentiles to be admitted into the church. Holy Spirit baptism is not requisite to one’s salvation today, nor is it a demonstration of such. It was a phenomenon of the first century, unique to those circumstances.
When Paul wrote his epistle to the Ephesians (c. A.D. 62), he affirmed that there was but “one baptism” (Eph. 4:5). Clearly, this was “water” baptism — the rite that was to continue to the end of the age (Mt. 28:19-20).
 
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@Elizabeth

You are saved by grace not works. Yes I believe if you believe and have faith you are saved but I also agree we must be born again which not only the apostle had but believers.
John 3:3-7
Jesus answered and said to him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God."*Nicodemus said to Him, "How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born, can he?"*
Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.*
"That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.*"Do not be amazed that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ (John 3:3-7 NASB)
 

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[SIZE=+1]John announced that the one who would follow him would baptize with the Holy Spirit. John 1:33; Mark 1:8 Although Jesus had spent about three years with his apostles, had given them authority over evil spirits and had even breathed on them to receive the Spirit, none of these events are refered to biblically as the baptism in the Holy Spirit. It was only before his ascent into heaven that he told his apostles that they would be immersed in the Holy Spirit. Acts 1:5 This baptism with the Holy Spirit occurred on the day of Pentecost when the Spirit descended upon them and filled the room leading to the gospel being preached for the first time to the Jews. Acts 2:1-4, 33 [/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]The only other occasion where scripture records this baptism occurring is when the gospel was first preached to the Gentiles. Acts 10:44-48; 11:15-17 By pouring out His Spirit in this occasion even on Gentiles, God taught Peter (and the other Jewish Christians) that He had accepted the Gentiles.[/SIZE]

According to Scripture "receiving the Spirit" occurred through the laying on of the apostles' hands (Acts 8:14-18; 19:6; 6:5-8) and never was this giving of the Spirit called a baptism with the Spirit. To assume that every activity and manifestation of the Spirit is dependent upon the believer being baptized with the Spirit will lead a person into confusion.
 
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While it is a fact that Cornelius did receive a “baptism” of the Holy Spirit (Acts 10:45; 11:15-16), the key to understanding why Holy Spirit baptism is not being replicated today is to be found in discovering the purpose behind the particular events of Acts 10.
Let me begin by saying there is no reason to deny that Cornelius and his kinsmen actually were given a “baptism” of the Holy Spirit, as some have done (in over-reacting to certain denominational claims). The facts are too clear in this case.
(1) Centuries before the birth of Jesus, the prophet Joel foretold of a time when the Holy Spirit would be poured out upon “all flesh.” The expression “all flesh” obviously is not employed in an unrestricted sense (which would include every human being — or even animals, since they have “flesh”). Rather, the phrase “all flesh” merely embodies the two major segments of humanity, from that ancient vantage point, i.e., the Jews and the Gentiles.
(2) On the day of Pentecost, Peter quoted Joel’s prophetic declaration (see Acts 2:16ff), thus revealing that the prophecy was beginning to enjoy its fulfillment that very day. Since, however, only the apostles (all of whom were Jews) received this outpouring of the Spirit on that occasion, one must look for a further bestowal of the Spirit to exhaust the scope of Joel’s prediction.
(3) This outpouring of the Holy Spirit is metaphorically designated as a “baptism” (see Mt. 3:11; Acts 1:5; 11:16) because it involved an overwhelming, miraculous bestowal of divine power (see J.H. Thayer, Greek-English Lexicon, p. 94).
(4) The final demonstration of “Holy Spirit baptism” occurred when Peter and his Jewish brothers visited the family of Cornelius in the city of Caesarea (Acts 10). The Spirit of God was “poured out” (10:45) on Cornielius, his family, and near friends at that time. Later, as Peter defended their acceptance of the Gentiles (to the Jewish church) he identified the Caesarean experience with the events that occurred “at the beginning” (i.e., on Pentecost). He further tied the circumstance to John’s prophecy of a “baptism” in the Spirit; he even called it a “like gift” (Acts 11:15-17). Moreover, the evidence of the Spirit’s endowment was demonstrated similarly. Both the apostles on Pentecost, and the Gentiles during this incident, were empowered to speak with languages they previously had not known (2:4ff; 10:46).
Purpose

The fact that the apostles received a supernatural outpouring of the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost, and the further reality that the Gentiles also were given a similar experience a while later, does not mean: (a) that the same purpose obtained in both cases; or, (b) that equivalent authority was bestowed in each instance.
In fact, in each of these cases, a different purpose and scope of authority was manifested by the overwhelming reception of the Holy Spirit.
Why Did the Apostles Receive the Holy Spirit?

The purpose for which the apostles received the Spirit on the day of Pentecost was unique. The background of this matter is vividly described in John’s Gospel account. The Lord promised his apostles that they would receive an unparalleled measure of the Spirit’s power to guide them in teaching the gospel in an infallible way. The Spirit would bring to their memories the things they had learned from the Savior (Jn. 14:26). He would guide them into all truth and declare unto them things to come (Jn. 16:13). The Lord promised they would be able to proclaim his message, unfettered by the need of personal preparation; rather, gospel truth would be “given” to them as they required it (Mt. 10:19-20; cf. Lk. 21:14).
The apostles have no successors today; the gospel message is embodied in the sacred Scriptures of the New Testament. These documents carry the same weight as the messages proclaimed by Christ’s original disciples (cf. Mt. 19:28; 1 Cor. 13:8ff; Eph. 2:20). [Note: For a discussion of Matthew 19:28, as pertaining to the present authority of the apostles of Christ, see J.W. McGarvey, Commentary on Matthew and Mark, p. 170.] There is no need today, therefore, for a replication of Holy Spirit baptism, such as was received by the Lord’s apostles.
Why Did Cornelius Receive the Holy Spirit?

The baptism of the Spirit at the house of Cornelius was different in design from that received by the apostles (though the manifestation, i.e., speaking in foreign languages, was the same). There is no evidence that Cornelius had teaching powers analogous to the apostles. Certainly there is no indication that the centurion could lay his hands upon other people, thus imparting to them spiritual gifts, as an apostle could do (see Acts 8:18; 19:6; 2 Tim. 1:6).
The purpose for which Cornelius was granted the Spirit was to demonstrate to the Jews that God was ready for the gospel to be offered to the Gentiles — which circumstance constituted a problem in the thinking of the Hebrews. This was evidenced by the fact that even Peter initially resisted the idea that the Gentiles could become Christians (Acts 10:14ff), as did the Jews of Jerusalem when they learned of the matter (Acts 11:2-3). It was the miraculous demonstration of the Spirit upon Cornelius and his associates that turned the tide (cf. Acts 11:4ff; 15:7ff). The effect of this divine documentation of Gentile acceptance remains intact to this very day. Accordingly, there is no need for a modern, supernatural outpouring of the Spirit to accomplish the same purpose.
Conclusion

Those who argue for a “Holy Spirit baptism” today misconstrue the design of that experience, as bestowed upon the early apostles, and then the first Gentiles to be admitted into the church. Holy Spirit baptism is not requisite to one’s salvation today, nor is it a demonstration of such. It was a phenomenon of the first century, unique to those circumstances.
When Paul wrote his epistle to the Ephesians (c. A.D. 62), he affirmed that there was but “one baptism” (Eph. 4:5). Clearly, this was “water” baptism — the rite that was to continue to the end of the age (Mt. 28:19-20).

I believe that this is adding to the Word of God. No where does the Bible explain that these are the only reasons for the Baptism of the Holy Spirit in Acts 10. God said He would pour out his Spirit on all flesh, not only a few examples. I don't see the doctrine of "examples" taught in the Bible. Many Pentecostals in todays church are baptized in the Holy Spirit with speaking in tongues. We know it is for today's Church and we have experienced it. There is no way that we are just making up these languages. Especially with tongues and interpretation 1 Corinthians 14:13. The interpretation is important to remember. Some say it's not like the day of Pentecost, because no one knows the language being spoken. But when there is a message in tongues and someone interprets (sometimes the same person, sometimes someone else) there is more evidence that these utterances are from God. While other people are talking about the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, many people know for themselves that God has filled them with the Holy Spirit and that they spoke in tongues. We know it's true because it is Biblical and we have experienced it. When you experience it you know it's of God and not something of yourself.
 

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I believe that this is adding to the Word of God. No where does the Bible explain that these are the only reasons for the Baptism of the Holy Spirit in Acts 10. God said He would pour out his Spirit on all flesh, not only a few examples. I don't see the doctrine of "examples" taught in the Bible. Many Pentecostals in todays church are baptized in the Holy Spirit with speaking in tongues. We know it is for today's Church and we have experienced it. There is no way that we are just making up these languages. Especially with tongues and interpretation 1 Corinthians 14:13. The interpretation is important to remember. Some say it's not like the day of Pentecost, because no one knows the language being spoken. But when there is a message in tongues and someone interprets (sometimes the same person, sometimes someone else) there is more evidence that these utterances are from God. While other people are talking about the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, many people know for themselves that God has filled them with the Holy Spirit and that they spoke in tongues. We know it's true because it is Biblical and we have experienced it. When you experience it you know it's of God and not something of yourself.

Why do you always have to mention Pentecostals? You are separating them from others. So that is JUST a Pentecostal belief?

Furthermore, it is mentiend on the bible that signs are for the unbelievers. Not for the believers.
 

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I believe that this is adding to the Word of God. No where does the Bible explain that these are the only reasons for the Baptism of the Holy Spirit in Acts 10. God said He would pour out his Spirit on all flesh, not only a few examples. I don't see the doctrine of "examples" taught in the Bible. Many Pentecostals in todays church are baptized in the Holy Spirit with speaking in tongues. We know it is for today's Church and we have experienced it. There is no way that we are just making up these languages. Especially with tongues and interpretation 1 Corinthians 14:13. The interpretation is important to remember. Some say it's not like the day of Pentecost, because no one knows the language being spoken. But when there is a message in tongues and someone interprets (sometimes the same person, sometimes someone else) there is more evidence that these utterances are from God. While other people are talking about the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, many people know for themselves that God has filled them with the Holy Spirit and that they spoke in tongues. We know it's true because it is Biblical and we have experienced it. When you experience it you know it's of God and not something of yourself.

Ephesians 4:5 says there is only ONE baptism. Ok, so we have spirit baptism and then water baptism. If the bible says there is only ONE baptism then which one is it?

Also, nowhere in the bible is the phrase "baptism of the Spirit" used.

1 Corinthians 12:13 13 For we were all baptized by[a] one Spirit so as to form one body—whether Jews or Gentiles, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.

This verse is referring to WATER. It is also referring to the church of Cortinth in becomign a member.

Also, a "spiritial baptism" is hardly biblical in my opjnion. Not even YOU can admit that this "Spiriatual baptism" is the same as it was given to the Apostles in the first century.

Spiritual baptism to me sounds like it is of modern origin, not biblical origin.

Also, why is it only certain denominations recieve this baptism?
 
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Why do you always have to mention Pentecostals? You are separating them from others. So that is JUST a Pentecostal belief?

Furthermore, it is mentiend on the bible that signs are for the unbelievers. Not for the believers.
Prophecy is for believers and toungues for unbelievers.
 
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Ephesians 4:5 says there is only ONE baptism. Ok, so we have spirit baptism and then water baptism. If the bible says there is only ONE baptism then which one is it?

Also, nowhere in the bible is the phrase "baptism of the Spirit" used.

1 Corinthians 12:13 13 For we were all baptized by[a] one Spirit so as to form one body—whether Jews or Gentiles, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.

This verse is referring to WATER. It is also referring to the church of Cortinth in becomign a member.

Also, a "spiritial baptism" is hardly biblical in my opjnion. Not even YOU can admit that this "Spiriatual baptism" is the same as it was given to the Apostles in the first century.

Spiritual baptism to me sounds like it is of modern origin, not biblical origin.


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Also, why is it only certain denominations recieve this baptism?
Its not denominational...it's scriptural and I showed scriptures and you refuse to hear this truth
 

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Prophecy is for believers and toungues for unbelievers.

Well we could argue the tongues and prophecy thing too....I don't agree with that modern day t hing. I have also said all I can to show you all everything I believe.

This is a neverending debate, and I really dont want it to get hostile again.

I have my beliefs, and you have yours.

Until I read in the bible where its says ONE WILL NOT ENTER THE KINGDOM IF HEAVEN IF THEY DO NOT POSSESS THESE SIGNS I will continue to believe that I am "ok" with the Lord and I have been baptized....by water for the remission of my sins where I was once lost I am found,

Water is the representation of Jesus blood. His blood was shed for OUR SINS. I was "washed in his blood" to wash them away.

Now, I have NEVER spoke of this to anyone before, but as soon as I came back up from the water I literally felt lighter. Like a huge weight was released from me. I remember I had to walk down a few steps after I stepped out of the baptistry to go back to a room to change back in to my regular clothes and as I was walking down those steps it felt like I was walking on clouds.

Whether that was a spiritual feeling or a psychological feeling I felt something. I actually like to think that was "God's way" of showing me that the weight of sin I carried was being lifted off of me.

That night I became a Christian. I dare anyone to argue that one.
 
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Oh sister, it's not denominational. Gifts do not save a person. It's good to be baptized in the water, I was twice one as a baby and the other for doing it for the right reason. As I learned within my baptism classes, we are not saves through baptism. the Baptism Jesus will give is the Holy Spirit.

Signs don't save a person....I can't speak in tongues but that doesn't mean I am going to hell. I will tell you, you should get a water baptism but the born again is a process that Jesus does to a believer.
 
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Ephesians 4:5 says there is only ONE baptism. Ok, so we have spirit baptism and then water baptism. If the bible says there is only ONE baptism then which one is it?

Also, nowhere in the bible is the phrase "baptism of the Spirit" used.

1 Corinthians 12:13 13 For we were all baptized by[a] one Spirit so as to form one body—whether Jews or Gentiles, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.

This verse is referring to WATER. It is also referring to the church of Cortinth in becomign a member.

Also, a "spiritial baptism" is hardly biblical in my opjnion. Not even YOU can admit that this "Spiriatual baptism" is the same as it was given to the Apostles in the first century.

Spiritual baptism to me sounds like it is of modern origin, not biblical origin.

Also, why is it only certain denominations recieve this baptism?
If you study Ephesians and read the chaters before chapter 4 you will find out that Epesians is about both Jew and Gentile being saved. Ephesians 2:12-14 "That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: 13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were afar off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. 14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;" Ephesians 2:18 "For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father." Ephesians 3:6 "That the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:" Ephesians 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all." You can see in these verses that Ephesians is saying the Gentiles are part of the same body of believers as the Jews. Ephesians 4 is teaching that the Jews and the Gentiles have the same Lord, faith, baptism, Father. This does not mean that there is only one Baptism in the Bible. It means we all have the same baptism as Jews or Gentiles. This was important in the New Testament because many Jews didn't believe that Gentiles could be saved. Different denominations are Baptized in the Holy Spirit, because they believe it. If you don't believe it, you don't get it.
 

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Oh sister, it's not denominational. Gifts do not save a person. It's good to be baptized in the water, I was twice one as a baby and the other for doing it for the right reason. As I learned within my baptism classes, we are not saves through baptism. the Baptism Jesus will give is the Holy Spirit.

Signs don't save a person....I can't speak in tongues but that doesn't mean I am going to hell. I will tell you, you should get a water baptism but the born again is a process that Jesus does to a believer.

So are you saying that if you are baptized through water then that doesn't mean you are a believer?

If you aren't a believer then how can someone be rightly baptized by water?
 
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So are you saying that if you are baptized through water then that doesn't mean you are a believer?

If you aren't a believer then how can someone be rightly baptized by water?
I don't think you understood me. You are not saved by baptism. That's a work, and in the bible works are only a result of faith. If you believe Jesus and are saved then you go and get baptized. Your not saying your saved by water baptism are you? That's just a show that you are saved and He cleansing of sins. But the Sinner's prayer is when you ask for your sin to be forgiven and to accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior.
 

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I don't think you understood me. You are not saved by baptism. That's a work, and in the bible works are only a result of faith. If you believe Jesus and are saved then you go and get baptized. Your not saying your saved by water baptism are you? That's just a show that you are saved and He cleansing of sins. But the Sinner's prayer is when you ask for your sin to be forgiven and to accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior.

Where in the bible is the sinner's prayer?