Benefits of Speaking, Praying, and Singing in Tongues
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945. battalogeó βαττολογέω
Strong's
chatter, am long-winded, utter empty words, stammer, repeat.
HELPS
945 battologéō – properly, to blubber nonsensical repetitions; to chatter
NAS Exaustive
use meaningless repetition (1)
Thayer's
b. to repeat the same things over and over, to use many and idle words, to babble, prate; so Matthew 6:7,
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Revelation 16:13,14
And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Revelation 16:13,14
And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Reposted for spiritual discernment and edification from another thread about why God's gift of tongues will come with interpretation as it was never to come without it in the assembly.
And once again, I am telling you that you took verse 2 out of context for what Paul was trying to say about the gift of prophesy as being the gift to seek if any one was being zealous for spiritual gift. From verse 1 is the topic and verse 2 onward is Paul explaining why prophesy is better by explaining why tongues is not because it is not a stand alone gift that it HAS to come with interpretation. YOU KEEP making an exception for tongues to be used without interpretation when that is YOU reading that kind of tongue into Paul's message by taking verse 2 out of context.
1 Corinthians 14:1 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.[SUP] 2 [/SUP]For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.[SUP] 3 [/SUP]But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.[SUP] 4 [/SUP]He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.[SUP] 5 [/SUP]I would that ye all spake with tongues but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
That is Paul explaining why the gift of prophesy is better because tongues has to be interpreted for the church to receive edifying.
Get this... Paul continues to talk about that same kind of tongue referenced in verse 2 below.... as to why it is not nor will it ever be a stand alone gift as he explains tongues being done in the assembly.... including how you apply verse 28 to mean tongues can be done quietly when that is not what verse 28 is saying in keeping in line with any tongue being done as in heard in the assembly.
1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]6 [/SUP]Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine? 7And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped? [SUP]8 [/SUP]For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle? [SUP]9 [/SUP]So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air. [SUP]10 [/SUP]There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. [SUP]15 [/SUP]What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest? [SUP]17 [/SUP]For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.
So here is Paul saying that his own understanding is unfruitful because no one has interpreted his tongue yet and so he would pray for the interpretation to pray for the understanding to be truly edified as well as those around him.
Then Paul spoke some more in preferring prophesy over tongues.... and explained why tongues is not a stand alone gift for why prophesy is better.
1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]18 [/SUP]I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:[SUP] 19 [/SUP]Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.[SUP]
And then to prevent anyone from taking that verse the wrong way, he explained further what God's gift of tongues are for to explain again why the gift of prophesy is better because God's gift of tongues has to come with interpretation.
1 Corinthians 14:20 [/SUP]Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.[SUP] 21 [/SUP]In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.
More proof ? Read on...as to why prophesy is better and when tongues is done, it is to be interpreted for edifying.
1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]22 [/SUP]Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. [SUP]23[/SUP]If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad? [SUP]24 [/SUP]But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all: [SUP]25 [/SUP]And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth. [SUP]26 [/SUP]How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.
That last verse was not signifying tongues was doing all that but an example of things not being done in order & decency for the purpose of edifying. Then Paul gave instructions on the proper order of edifying one another by use of tongues.
1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]27 [/SUP]If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. [SUP]28 [/SUP]But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
Now when you have believers standing up, speaking one at a time with two or three to have one other to interpret that tongue, and if someone stood up and spoke but there is no interpretation, that was Paul way of saying that he is a foreigner speaking out of turn for why there is no interpretation and that is why he is to keep SILENCE because what he is saying, he understands it as God does too. Silence is not alllowing him to talk to himself and to God, but explaining how he was speaking as not manifested by the Holy Spirit because he is speaking to himself knowing what he is saying, as God understands what he is saying too, BUT he is not really speaking to himself nor to God when he is to be in silence.
That is how you are to read verse 2... because that is God's gift of tongues being manifested as the speaker does not know what he is saying, thus he does not understand it, but God does... not that he is speaking to God because this is being done in the church, as one speaking in mysteries since there are no mysteries to God. That was Paul comparing the gift of tongues against the gift of prophesy as to why it is NOT a stand alone gift that it has to come with interpretation for the edifying of the church. At no time did paul switched topic to explaining why tongues by itself is so much cooler than prophesy. That is opposing himself for why he was saying to believers to seek the gift of prophesy because tongues is not a stand alone gift as his argument has been the same throughout that chpater.
Look at the order for prophesying as to be done one at a time by two or three and let another judge it; the same format for speaking in tongues.
1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]29 [/SUP]Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge. [SUP]30 [/SUP]If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace. [SUP]31 [/SUP]For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
Paul goes on to explain what happens when someone may speak out of turn in this situation as well so that they may speak one by one so that all will learn.
Verse 28 is not about God's gift of tongues being spoken, but about when a foreigner speaks out of turn. If you really believed it was about the Holy Spirit praying in tongues, then who is Paul to give such an instruction for the Holy Spirit to be in silence? If tongues were to be used for prayer language by the Holy Spirit at all... then that would be the time for Paul to say that when tongues comes without interpretation, it is prayer time for the Holy Spirit, BUT he did not say that.
1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]32 [/SUP]And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. [SUP]33 [/SUP]For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
So at no tiime will the Holy Spirit be confusing by switching from speaking unto the people mode to speaking unto God mode as if speaking unto God mode has to be done in a secet language, thus not edifying to the tongue speaker at all.
And to read that chapter properly... you have to read the precedent in 1 Corinthians 12:4-11 for what any manifestations of the gifts are to do in the assembly... to profit the body withal... and there is NO PLAIN TEACHING NOR REPORTED PRACTICE of tongues as a PRAYER LANGUAGE anywhere in the New Testament WITHOUT YOU reading YOUR tongues without interpretation INTO the scripture.
1 Corinthians 12:[SUP]4 [/SUP]Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. [SUP]5 [/SUP]And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
[SUP]9 [/SUP]To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
[SUP]10 [/SUP]To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For the body is not one member, but many.
In Acts 2nd chapter God's gift of tongues was used in ministry outreach as prophesied....in the assembly, instructions are given for why tongues would be manifested as it WILL come with interpretation to profit the body withal.
Paul said it. It is plain to read. Believers rationalize it as being something done only because of culture while ignoring it as a commandment of the Lord as we continue reading.
1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]34[/SUP]Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.[SUP] 35 [/SUP]And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.[SUP]36 [/SUP]What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?[SUP]37 [/SUP]If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.[SUP] 38 [/SUP]But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
Now a repeat to covet the gift of prophesy over all spiritual gifts but not to forbid tongues when it does come as it will come with interpretation for everything to be done in decency and order.
1 Corinthians 14:.[SUP]39 [/SUP]Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.[SUP]40 [/SUP]Let all things be done decently and in order.
That means the Holy Spirit will not break God's commandment to manifest tongues in women nor the gift of prophesy in women in the assembly.
That means tongues can be forbidden when coming from a woman and when there is no interpretation, it is a foreigner speaking out of turn which is why he is made to be silent in the assembly because that is not the Holy Spirit manifesting tongues when God's gift of tongues WILL come with interpretation.
This is why believers are not to believe every spirit but test them and the tongues these spirits bring. 1 John 4:1-7
And once again, I am telling you that you took verse 2 out of context for what Paul was trying to say about the gift of prophesy as being the gift to seek if any one was being zealous for spiritual gift. From verse 1 is the topic and verse 2 onward is Paul explaining why prophesy is better by explaining why tongues is not because it is not a stand alone gift that it HAS to come with interpretation. YOU KEEP making an exception for tongues to be used without interpretation when that is YOU reading that kind of tongue into Paul's message by taking verse 2 out of context.
1 Corinthians 14:1 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.[SUP] 2 [/SUP]For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.[SUP] 3 [/SUP]But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.[SUP] 4 [/SUP]He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.[SUP] 5 [/SUP]I would that ye all spake with tongues but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
That is Paul explaining why the gift of prophesy is better because tongues has to be interpreted for the church to receive edifying.
Get this... Paul continues to talk about that same kind of tongue referenced in verse 2 below.... as to why it is not nor will it ever be a stand alone gift as he explains tongues being done in the assembly.... including how you apply verse 28 to mean tongues can be done quietly when that is not what verse 28 is saying in keeping in line with any tongue being done as in heard in the assembly.
1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]6 [/SUP]Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine? 7And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped? [SUP]8 [/SUP]For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle? [SUP]9 [/SUP]So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air. [SUP]10 [/SUP]There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. [SUP]15 [/SUP]What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest? [SUP]17 [/SUP]For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.
So here is Paul saying that his own understanding is unfruitful because no one has interpreted his tongue yet and so he would pray for the interpretation to pray for the understanding to be truly edified as well as those around him.
Then Paul spoke some more in preferring prophesy over tongues.... and explained why tongues is not a stand alone gift for why prophesy is better.
1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]18 [/SUP]I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:[SUP] 19 [/SUP]Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.[SUP]
And then to prevent anyone from taking that verse the wrong way, he explained further what God's gift of tongues are for to explain again why the gift of prophesy is better because God's gift of tongues has to come with interpretation.
1 Corinthians 14:20 [/SUP]Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.[SUP] 21 [/SUP]In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.
More proof ? Read on...as to why prophesy is better and when tongues is done, it is to be interpreted for edifying.
1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]22 [/SUP]Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. [SUP]23[/SUP]If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad? [SUP]24 [/SUP]But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all: [SUP]25 [/SUP]And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth. [SUP]26 [/SUP]How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.
That last verse was not signifying tongues was doing all that but an example of things not being done in order & decency for the purpose of edifying. Then Paul gave instructions on the proper order of edifying one another by use of tongues.
1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]27 [/SUP]If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. [SUP]28 [/SUP]But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
Now when you have believers standing up, speaking one at a time with two or three to have one other to interpret that tongue, and if someone stood up and spoke but there is no interpretation, that was Paul way of saying that he is a foreigner speaking out of turn for why there is no interpretation and that is why he is to keep SILENCE because what he is saying, he understands it as God does too. Silence is not alllowing him to talk to himself and to God, but explaining how he was speaking as not manifested by the Holy Spirit because he is speaking to himself knowing what he is saying, as God understands what he is saying too, BUT he is not really speaking to himself nor to God when he is to be in silence.
That is how you are to read verse 2... because that is God's gift of tongues being manifested as the speaker does not know what he is saying, thus he does not understand it, but God does... not that he is speaking to God because this is being done in the church, as one speaking in mysteries since there are no mysteries to God. That was Paul comparing the gift of tongues against the gift of prophesy as to why it is NOT a stand alone gift that it has to come with interpretation for the edifying of the church. At no time did paul switched topic to explaining why tongues by itself is so much cooler than prophesy. That is opposing himself for why he was saying to believers to seek the gift of prophesy because tongues is not a stand alone gift as his argument has been the same throughout that chpater.
Look at the order for prophesying as to be done one at a time by two or three and let another judge it; the same format for speaking in tongues.
1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]29 [/SUP]Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge. [SUP]30 [/SUP]If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace. [SUP]31 [/SUP]For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
Paul goes on to explain what happens when someone may speak out of turn in this situation as well so that they may speak one by one so that all will learn.
Verse 28 is not about God's gift of tongues being spoken, but about when a foreigner speaks out of turn. If you really believed it was about the Holy Spirit praying in tongues, then who is Paul to give such an instruction for the Holy Spirit to be in silence? If tongues were to be used for prayer language by the Holy Spirit at all... then that would be the time for Paul to say that when tongues comes without interpretation, it is prayer time for the Holy Spirit, BUT he did not say that.
1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]32 [/SUP]And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. [SUP]33 [/SUP]For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
So at no tiime will the Holy Spirit be confusing by switching from speaking unto the people mode to speaking unto God mode as if speaking unto God mode has to be done in a secet language, thus not edifying to the tongue speaker at all.
And to read that chapter properly... you have to read the precedent in 1 Corinthians 12:4-11 for what any manifestations of the gifts are to do in the assembly... to profit the body withal... and there is NO PLAIN TEACHING NOR REPORTED PRACTICE of tongues as a PRAYER LANGUAGE anywhere in the New Testament WITHOUT YOU reading YOUR tongues without interpretation INTO the scripture.
1 Corinthians 12:[SUP]4 [/SUP]Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. [SUP]5 [/SUP]And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
[SUP]9 [/SUP]To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
[SUP]10 [/SUP]To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For the body is not one member, but many.
In Acts 2nd chapter God's gift of tongues was used in ministry outreach as prophesied....in the assembly, instructions are given for why tongues would be manifested as it WILL come with interpretation to profit the body withal.
Paul said it. It is plain to read. Believers rationalize it as being something done only because of culture while ignoring it as a commandment of the Lord as we continue reading.
1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]34[/SUP]Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.[SUP] 35 [/SUP]And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.[SUP]36 [/SUP]What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?[SUP]37 [/SUP]If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.[SUP] 38 [/SUP]But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
Now a repeat to covet the gift of prophesy over all spiritual gifts but not to forbid tongues when it does come as it will come with interpretation for everything to be done in decency and order.
1 Corinthians 14:.[SUP]39 [/SUP]Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.[SUP]40 [/SUP]Let all things be done decently and in order.
That means the Holy Spirit will not break God's commandment to manifest tongues in women nor the gift of prophesy in women in the assembly.
That means tongues can be forbidden when coming from a woman and when there is no interpretation, it is a foreigner speaking out of turn which is why he is made to be silent in the assembly because that is not the Holy Spirit manifesting tongues when God's gift of tongues WILL come with interpretation.
This is why believers are not to believe every spirit but test them and the tongues these spirits bring. 1 John 4:1-7
We trust God my friend,.......
This includes you, me, and all the rest of His beloved children.
John 14:1
Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
John 10:27:30
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. 30I and my Father are one.
Luke 12:32
“Fear not, little flock, for it is your Father’s good pleasure to give you the kingdom.
Revelation 21:3,4
And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
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Matthew 23:13-15
But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. 14Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
15Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
[HR][/HR]Acts 20:28-35
Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. 29For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. 30Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. 31Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears. 32And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified. 33I have coveted no man's silver, or gold, or apparel. 34Yea, ye yourselves know, that these hands have ministered unto my necessities, and to them that were with me. 35I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.
1 Corinthians 2:1-5
And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God. 2For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified. 3And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling. 4And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: 5That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
2 Corinthians 11:12-15
But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we. 13For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
Philippians 3:17-19
Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample. 18(For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: 19Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
This includes you, me, and all the rest of His beloved children.
John 14:1
Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
John 10:27:30
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. 30I and my Father are one.
Luke 12:32
“Fear not, little flock, for it is your Father’s good pleasure to give you the kingdom.
Revelation 21:3,4
And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
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Matthew 23:13-15
But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. 14Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
15Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
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Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. 29For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. 30Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. 31Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears. 32And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified. 33I have coveted no man's silver, or gold, or apparel. 34Yea, ye yourselves know, that these hands have ministered unto my necessities, and to them that were with me. 35I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.
1 Corinthians 2:1-5
And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God. 2For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified. 3And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling. 4And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: 5That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
2 Corinthians 11:12-15
But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we. 13For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
Philippians 3:17-19
Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample. 18(For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: 19Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
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Tongues is spiritual language. I don't repeat the same words over and over. Am sure others don't either.
Actually, I’ll bet you repeat the same syllables over and over a lot more than what you think you do, as well as just about everyone else. One of the main characteristics of T-speech is, in fact, the repetition of syllables (particularly prevalent in ‘word’ final position), or the repetition of the same syllable structure with subbing out related consonant phonemes (e.g. all ‘stop’ consonants; p/b, t/d, k/g). Another characteristic is using the same ‘word, and subbing out the final vowel (the syllable structure of T-speech ‘words’ consists primarily of open syllables - CV (consonant + vowel)). So for example “kishanda kishando kishandu”; sometimes there’s a substitution of the consonant (with another related one) in the final syllable, so you end up with something like “kishanda kishango kishantu, etc.
I’ve put this out there before, but seriously, record yourself speaking for about a minute and then listen to it.…really listen to it and observe/notice what’s going on in the structure of a particular utterance – you’d probably surprise yourself at what’s actually going on!
Actually, I’ll bet you repeat the same syllables over and over a lot more than what you think you do, as well as just about everyone else. One of the main characteristics of T-speech is, in fact, the repetition of syllables (particularly prevalent in ‘word’ final position), or the repetition of the same syllable structure with subbing out related consonant phonemes (e.g. all ‘stop’ consonants; p/b, t/d, k/g). Another characteristic is using the same ‘word, and subbing out the final vowel (the syllable structure of T-speech ‘words’ consists primarily of open syllables - CV (consonant + vowel)). So for example “kishanda kishando kishandu”; sometimes there’s a substitution of the consonant (with another related one) in the final syllable, so you end up with something like “kishanda kishango kishantu, etc.
I’ve put this out there before, but seriously, record yourself speaking for about a minute and then listen to it.…really listen to it and observe/notice what’s going on in the structure of a particular utterance – you’d probably surprise yourself at what’s actually going on!
That's false, Enow. I know I am praying (1 Cor 14:15).
A person praying in the spirit is edifying himself (1 Cor 14:4).
Interpretation is a must when tongues is spoken in public. Not so when speaking to yourself, and to God (1 Cor 14:28).
I'm not in confusion at all.
I know what the "tongue is doing".
1 Cor 14:
2) For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
5) I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
13) Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.
14) For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
15) What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
17) For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.
27) If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
28) But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
39) Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
Eph 6:
18) Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
Jude 1:
20) But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
Hope this helps.
A person praying in the spirit is edifying himself (1 Cor 14:4).
Interpretation is a must when tongues is spoken in public. Not so when speaking to yourself, and to God (1 Cor 14:28).
I'm not in confusion at all.
I know what the "tongue is doing".
1 Cor 14:
2) For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
5) I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
13) Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.
14) For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
15) What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
17) For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.
27) If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
28) But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
39) Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
Eph 6:
18) Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
Jude 1:
20) But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
Hope this helps.
So do I. So does anyone who speaks in tongues (1 Cor 14:2).
You probably knew this already, and intentionally misconstrued it to serve your purposes, but "praying to yourself" does not mean a person is literally praying TO himself, but that he is praying silently.
1 Cor 14:
28) But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
OK.
We do.
You probably knew this already, and intentionally misconstrued it to serve your purposes, but "praying to yourself" does not mean a person is literally praying TO himself, but that he is praying silently.
1 Cor 14:
28) But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
OK.
We do.
I've already posted that we had a young boy staying with us who is bilingual, and he overheard me praying. He could pick out different words I was saying.
In the spirit I say Meschiah...and found out that is Hebrew for Messiah a few years ago.
Plus...I've experienced power when I was so sick...power flooding my body when I would pray.
It matters not to me the negative comments that are made. I know whom I have believed. Hath He not said? Shall He not do it?
He gave Holy Spirit to us to help us. Without Him here...we all would be floundering in our faith.
In the spirit I say Meschiah...and found out that is Hebrew for Messiah a few years ago.
Plus...I've experienced power when I was so sick...power flooding my body when I would pray.
It matters not to me the negative comments that are made. I know whom I have believed. Hath He not said? Shall He not do it?
He gave Holy Spirit to us to help us. Without Him here...we all would be floundering in our faith.
So many of you are experts at presenting straw man arguments and beating people who speak in tongues over their heads with them.
Speaking in tongues is not "abusing prayer", nor is it "frivolity".
You want to remain ignorant? That's on you, Roger.
1 Cor 14:
38) But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
Speaking in tongues is not "abusing prayer", nor is it "frivolity".
You want to remain ignorant? That's on you, Roger.
1 Cor 14:
38) But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
If you had a bilingual person staying with you, I can’t imagine you’ve never heard him speak his other language. Pretty sure you’ve just picked up a few words in it and are repeating them here and there as part of your glossolalia, but also pretty sure you may not have any idea what they mean; they’re just words you’ve picked up on for whatever reason. When you use T-speech, the kid is hearing you repeat these words and recognizes them.
Like a baby first learning how to speak – one day they say a complete sentence as clear as day, but they’re too young to even know they’ve done it, let alone what it means; to them it’s just sounds they’re copying. Same principle here.
Many Christian denominations are keen on using Hebrew terms like Meshiakh, Yeshua, Yahweh, etc. They’re way too commonly used in these religious circles not to have heard them and picked up on them. Many people will use them in their T-speech because it ‘sounds’ foreign; it’s not English and fits with the notion of T-speech being a language.
I’m not putting tongues down; it is a legitimate tool used in many cultures and belief systems and clearly has many beneficial effects; but it’s not language.
Like a baby first learning how to speak – one day they say a complete sentence as clear as day, but they’re too young to even know they’ve done it, let alone what it means; to them it’s just sounds they’re copying. Same principle here.
Many Christian denominations are keen on using Hebrew terms like Meshiakh, Yeshua, Yahweh, etc. They’re way too commonly used in these religious circles not to have heard them and picked up on them. Many people will use them in their T-speech because it ‘sounds’ foreign; it’s not English and fits with the notion of T-speech being a language.
I’m not putting tongues down; it is a legitimate tool used in many cultures and belief systems and clearly has many beneficial effects; but it’s not language.