bible translation

Butch5 · Jan 24, 2015

It depends on which Biblical texts you are looking for. The KJV and NKJV are translated from the Majority or Byzantine texts. Others such as the NASB and ESV are translated from Alexandrian texts. These translations have some passages that differ which is because they come from different text families. There is also the issue of the OT and which text family you'd like there. Most English Bibles translate the OT from the Hebrew Masoretic text however, another option, and in my opinon a better one, is to opt for a translation of the Septuagint (LXX) as this is the text that Jesus and the apostles used. The Masoretic texts are from several hundred years after Jesus and the apostles. You could also look for a critical text translation that compares all of the manuscripts.

Here is a passage from two different texts, not the difference. The KJV is from the Byzantine text and the NAS is from
Nestle-Alund 27. Notice the text of the NAS doesn't have the last clasue, "but deliver us from evil."

KJV Luke 11:4 And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil. (Luk 11:4 KJV)

NAS Luke 11:4 'And forgive us our sins, For we ourselves also forgive everyone who is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation.'" (Luk 11:4 NAS)

To simplify, the KJV and the NKJV are fairly accurate translations of the Majority text. One nice thing about these two translations is that they italicize words that are added by the translators fro clarification, for instance,

KJV Genesis 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof. (Gen 2:19 KJV)

In this passage the words "them" and "was" are not in the original text but were added to help clarify the meaning for the reader. These italicized words can be nice so that you know what words were added and what was not.

If I was going to choose a single translation I would probably choose "Yonung's Literal Translation" or the "Concorant Literal Version." These are literal translations and would be more accurate than most of the others, however, they are not as readable as the others. They aren't hard to read but they don't flow and elegantly as some of the other translations, however, they are more accurate. I would opt for the more accurate translation as it can make a big difference in how you understand the text. Let me give you an example.

45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. (Mat 25:45-46 KJV)

45 'Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say to you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of these, the least, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away to punishment age-during, but the righteous to life age-during.' (Mat 25:45-46 YLT)

Notice the KJV translates the word "aionios" as everlating and Young's Literal translates is age-during. Young's Literal is the proper translation as the word "aionios" cannot mean eternal.

Most of the modern translations are going to be readable but will probably have added words that are not marked for the reader to see.

Bottom line I wouldn't have just one translation because there are different text families, however, if you are going to choose one my choice word be either Young's or the Concordant Literal translation for the New Testament and I would also purchase a copy of the Septuagint for the Old Testament.

Another option that you can consider is a paralleled Bible which has 2, 3, or ,4 translations side by side. I have one that has the NIV, NASB, KJV, and NLT all side by side.

I dope this hasn't confused you. If you have any questions feel free to ask and I'll try to clarify.

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gb9 · Jan 24, 2015

gb9 said:

well, now it has turned into that.

ralfyman · Jun 15, 2019

The most accurate are the ones that use updated scholarship and manuscripts discovered during the last few decades. One example is the NRSV.

Absolutely · Jun 15, 2019

JFSurvivor said:

IMO, if you get a green's greek interlinear and read the direct translation in the margin,it is almost word for word the king james bible.
( speaking strictly of the NT)
But get you a kjv
Never look back.
You will pass up "the pack" and shake your head at the notions of those with their modern translations.

Absolutely · Jun 15, 2019

You may want to take a look at the contraversy over the gay committee member on the niv translators.

Dino246 · Jun 15, 2019

With respect to all, this is an old thread.

There's nothing inherently wrong with resurrecting it, but this is also a long-running debate. Perhaps instead of adding fuel to this particular fire, just read through the many existing threads on the subject if you have an interest in the issues.

p_rehbein · Jun 15, 2019

Nah............ where's the fun in that?

MattforJesus · Jun 15, 2019

JFSurvivor said:

I use the KJV, and have read through it, and do not have a problem with it, and understand it, and it is the same message throughout it, and like the way it is written, but the other translations claim a personal God, Jesus as Lord and Savior, the Gospel message of Christ, and to be led of the Spirit acting like Christ.

If they are not afraid to make those claims, and believe those things, then everything should fall in to place, for God would be with them in the translation.

For then they would not be afraid to make the claims of the other things in the Bible.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

The new age movement false interpretation of the Bible based on the occult, mysticism, and evolution, which they believe they can still evolve to be greater, and spiritual, and Jesus is not Lord and Savior, but a teacher in the evolutionary process, enlightenment, and love, and an ascended master, and avatar, and the New Age Christ is the final teacher in the evolutionary process, who does not acknowledge a personal God, but honors the God of forces, or the power of nature as his higher power, and will claim to be God by harnessing the power of nature, evolving, and will share this power with all who follow him, which the Christ conscience will come upon them, and they will evolve like the man Jesus.

When they start putting out the Bible that make these claims then we can say that is a wrong translation, and the forbidding to marry is for population reduction, and the commanding to abstain from meat is because they are in to mother Earth, and the occult, no harm to animals.

Which we see both on the rise of homosexuality, and being a vegan, which they will promote these things in society, and to try to drive a wedge between men and women, and convince people they are born gay, or can be whatever sex they want.

Dan 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
Dan 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
Dan 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

Dan 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
Dan 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
Dan 11:38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.

The New Age Christ will have no desire of women, which he abides by the forbidding to marry for a man and a woman, but the main reason is that it is not his agenda for it is to rule the world like no other person has ruled, and to exalt himself above all people, and their gods, and that is all he cares about.

And the New Age Christ is not in to competition with people concerning spiritual leaders, business men, military men, or political office, for it is beneath him, and he believes he is above all of them, and competition would be a cut down to himself, but he is only trying to rule the world, and there is no competition for that, but he is the only one, for God is the one that is letting him be the man of sin so he can deceive all people who do not love God, so He can end this sin business on earth, but God is not forcing the man of sin to deceive the world, but because of his heart condition, and the New Age Christ made that decision, for he knows what is involved with establishing his kingdom, and that is to get rid of everyone that opposes his kingdom.

2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

The new age movement will pave the way to the beast kingdom as they try to convince the world that the correct interpretation of the Bible is their interpretation, and it is about evolution, and the New Age Christ will deceive all people who do not love God, and when they take the mark of the beast then God can end this sin business on earth, which the mark has to do with technology to keep track of all people of the world, something stuck under the skin linked to satellite, and the beast kingdom is of the occult, evolution, does not acknowledge any personal God, but saying I am, and there is none beside me.

The occult believes in the power of numbers, and the adding, timing, and grouping of numbers, which they believe will give them more power through nature, and 666 is the number of a man, a certain man, the man of sin, which 6 is the number of a man, so the man of sin attributed the number 666, a triple 6 to himself, for he believes it will give him more power through nature, the God of forces.

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

The new age movement is the future for this sinful world, and a stepping stone to the New Age Christ, and the time will come when the world will not endure the truth of the Bible, but want to hear it according to their own lusts, the new age movement interpretation of the Bible that exalts people by evolving to be greater, and spiritual, and there is no higher power above them.

When they start putting out the Bible that make these claims according to the new age movement, then we can say that is a wrong translation, which the new age movement will interpret them according to the occult, and evolution, but I am sure they have their own translation that is not in public view.

But that is how the inner circle of the occult works that is extreme in the occult, and mainstream public would not accept them, so they put a lighter version of the occult out there in public that is not too offensive, and sounds like it can be reality, especially when evolution is popular among many people, and then let the flesh work on them as human nature will do, and they will lust for more and more power through nature, and when they get to the beast kingdom the outer circle became the inner circle, and the beast kingdom accepted by those who do not love God.

And the new age movement is that stepping stone, along with the outer circle of Freemason that allows any higher power, and all religions like America allowing all religions, and along with United Nations to get the nations to harmonize, along with people trying to get the religions to harmonize.

Absolutely · Jun 16, 2019

Tintin said:

In greens interlinear ,it has the English in the margin. It is extremely close to the king James.
Chick missler has a study on numerology,or assigning numbers to the greek,incrementally.
It certainly adds authenticity to the bible.
BTW, the other translations with the left out verses do not harmonize numerically.
King James is excellent,but the best is a greek interlinear.

Nehemiah6 · Jun 16, 2019

Absolutely said:

Provided the Greek text is the Textus Receptus (Received Text). Scrivener (1894) produced the actual Received Text of the King James Bible (which is only very slightly different from that of the Stephanus 1550 edition). You can compare them on Bible Hub.

Dino246 · Jun 16, 2019

Nehemiah6 said:

Scrivener, though certainly a learned scholar, did not produce "the actual Received Text of the King James Bible"; what he did was translate the KJV back into Greek. His work has absolutely no evidentiary merit for comparing texts for accuracy. There isn't a single Greek manuscript anywhere that has exactly the same wording as Scrivener's work... or the TR, for that matter.

speculator · Jun 17, 2019

If you read something odd in the gospels, something contrary to social or real reality, it is very likely a translation error.

Dino246 · Jun 17, 2019

speculator said:

Welcome to CC!

Your comment seems a bit cryptic. Perhaps you could elaborate and/or provide some examples?

tourist · Jun 17, 2019

p_rehbein said:

I like zombie threads being revived 'cause of the usual amusing comments. I don't see this thread as a high entertainment venue though. Right now the hot thread is the gay wedding one. I am waiting for the sequel - gay divorce thread. Don't expect to see too many responses urging them to stay together and work out their problems as the per usual response.

p_rehbein · Jun 18, 2019

KJV!!!!! oh, and the CJB sometimes too.........

best of the best

Adstar · Jun 18, 2019

JFSurvivor said:

The King James Version is the best i have read..

Yes it takes some study and looking up old English word definitions but in the end it is a blessing..

speculator · Jun 18, 2019

"if someone wants to be my disciple he must take his torture stake and follow me continuously".

It was and still is an odd invitation, that almost none would follow.

Someone may accept to follow if he must carry a stake, a stick, a pale for a determined necessary time.

Who being anxious can increase his life span of a cubit?
If you cannot do the smallest thing why are you anxious for the rest?

With or without note of what is the cubit the questions look to me almost insane

Absolutely · Jun 19, 2019

speculator said:

It is a supernatural book.
Man has worked to make it more un supernatural.
Make it what it isn't.
It is not a mental book.

cc4 · Jun 19, 2019

kennethcadwell said:

ESV
14 Blessed are those who wash their robes,[a] so that they may have the right to the tree of life and that they may enter the city by the gates.

NKJV
14 Blessed are those who [b]do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

KJV
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

What do you do when you wash your robe?!
ESV is wery missleading, keep the 10 commandments if you whant to enter into the kingdom.
If you only read esv you will be decived.

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