Biblical Separation

[Troubled65]

I believe that we, as Christians are being called to come out from among them and be ye separate saith the Lord. I think we have all become way too comfortable in the world.

I came up with a good idea of how to help the Church to get out of debt together and then set aside monies for the future
generation for schooling and housing needs so that they don't have to disobey God by borrowing for these items.

To start the program in your Church you'll need to get at least 10 families who can afford to give at least $100.00 above
their current giving. All of this money will be applied to one of the mortgages of which family you choose first. Then after
their mortgage is paid off, apply their mortgage money plus the extra to the next family's mortgage. Continue doing this
until all of the original 10 families are mortgage free.

You could do it by longest member or draw names from a hat. Whatever is decided upon. After this is accomplished, then
begin to put the monies aside so that you can be self sufficient and will be able to aid other members for large ticket items.
This is important because I have reason to believe that borrowing money is one of the ways the evil men of Revelation 18
trade in slaves and souls of men.

Actually, I believe all sin or disobedience opens one up to their snares. Consider the poor man left for dead in the good
Samaritan story. Jericho is a symbol of iniquity, hence the" ich" in it's name.

Thoughts??????

 

[Blain]

Well there is no indication in bible that says that borrowing money is evil as long you make sure pay back what you owe it's perfectly fine. As for your idea I don't know how many families can give 100 dollars extra where you live but where I live that is not possible, maybe if we are lucky three or four could but getting ten is not possible that is your first stepping stone you have to be able to have families who can actually do that and not every can.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Why not each member take that $100 and pay down their own mortgage? I wouldn't participate in such a scheme because I would feel like someone was trying to make separation between me and my money.

 

[tourist]

Why not each member take that $100 and pay down their own mortgage? I wouldn't participate in such a scheme because I would feel like someone was trying to make separation between me and my money.

I would only participate if I was the first one to have my mortgage paid off. Of course, being the first my $100 would go towards my own mortgage.

 

[tourist]

The scheme your proposing sounds similar to a chain letter. It has zero chance of working, and even so would take years to just pay off the first person's mortgage. The tenth person would have to wait a least a 100 years before his mortgage is paid off, by then his house would've been eaten by termites.

 

[notuptome]

What you describe is not biblical separation.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Bladerunner]

I believe that we, as Christians are being called to come out from among them and be ye separate saith the Lord. I think we have all become way too comfortable in the world.

I came up with a good idea of how to help the Church to get out of debt together and then set aside monies for the future
generation for schooling and housing needs so that they don't have to disobey God by borrowing for these items.

To start the program in your Church you'll need to get at least 10 families who can afford to give at least $100.00 above
their current giving. All of this money will be applied to one of the mortgages of which family you choose first. Then after
their mortgage is paid off, apply their mortgage money plus the extra to the next family's mortgage. Continue doing this
until all of the original 10 families are mortgage free.

You could do it by longest member or draw names from a hat. Whatever is decided upon. After this is accomplished, then
begin to put the monies aside so that you can be self sufficient and will be able to aid other members for large ticket items.
This is important because I have reason to believe that borrowing money is one of the ways the evil men of Revelation 18
trade in slaves and souls of men.

Actually, I believe all sin or disobedience opens one up to their snares. Consider the poor man left for dead in the good
Samaritan story. Jericho is a symbol of iniquity, hence the" ich" in it's name.

Thoughts??????

sounds like a pyramid scheme or something?

 

[NotmebutHim]

Satan twisted Scripture to tempt Christ to throw Himself down from the pinnacle of the temple. But He said "It is written; you shall not tempt the Lord your God".

Amen.

 

[Johnny_B]

I believe that we, as Christians are being called to come out from among them and be ye separate saith the Lord. I think we have all become way too comfortable in the world.

To start the program in your Church you'll need to get at least 10 families who can afford to give at least $100.00 above
their current giving. All of this money will be applied to one of the mortgages of which family you choose first. Then after
their mortgage is paid off, apply their mortgage money plus the extra to the next family's mortgage. Continue doing this
until all of the original 10 families are mortgage free.


Thoughts??????

The first family might benifit if the other all followed through, but after that who knows if it will continue if it even finishes paying the first mortgage.

sounds like a pyramid scheme or something?

Yes it does those were my thoughts as well.

Satan twisted Scripture to tempt Christ to throw Himself down from the pinnacle of the temple. But He said "It is written; you shall not tempt the Lord your God".

Amen.

​Yes he did, but the OP did not use any Scripture here.

 

[NotmebutHim]

The first family might benifit if the other all followed through, but after that who knows if it will continue if it even finishes paying the first mortgage.



Yes it does those were my thoughts as well.



​Yes he did, but the OP did not use any Scripture here.

Granted, but I was referring to the topic of whether the Bible says anywhere that borrowing money is evil or sinful. That's where the "twisting" part comes in.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Granted, but I was referring to the topic of whether the Bible says anywhere that borrowing money is evil or sinful. That's where the "twisting" part comes in.

The Law of Moses took borrowing for granted, but the Israelites were forbidden to charge interest on their loans.

If thou lend money to any of my people that is poor by thee, thou shalt not be to him as an usurer, neither shalt thou lay upon him usury. If thou at all take thy neighbour's raiment to pledge, thou shalt deliver it unto him by that the sun goeth down: For that is his covering only, it is his raiment for his skin: wherein shall he sleep? and it shall come to pass, when he crieth unto me, that I will hear; for I am gracious. (Exod 22:25-27)

Sometimes it is necessary to take out a loan or a mortgage, but if it is paid off in good faith, then there is nothing wrong with that. As to the proposal in the OP, it may or may not be practicable, but in theory it is not a bad idea.

 

[Blain]

I guess I should have elaborated my reasons for the mortgage payoff system.
Proverbs 22:7 says the borrower is slave to the lender.
The reason to pay off our debt is so that we can come together to take over a state, such as Montana or some other sparsely populated state. This way we can establish our states laws to match God's commands to us.
As for Scripture for separation, I Corinthians 6:17 "Wherefore, come out from among them and be ye separate, saith the Lord.". Zephaniah chapter 2 may also be speaking to the modern day Church. The Strong's Concordance says the "nation not desired" are goyim (gentile). Notice also the call is before the day of the Lord comes upon us.

I must also say how disappointing it is to see such mistrust of your fellow Christians. What a sad testimony you have. I hope, if God does gather us soon that only those with love for each other will heed the call.

To take over a state? you can't establish a states laws by paying of peoples mortgages

 

[Troubled65]

Okay, my mortgage, I have been informed, has "strange attachments" to our bodies. The people who hold our mortgage are of the , "illumined" variety. They are masters at "double speak". We know that the Bible calls our bodies "houses" at times 2Corinthians 5:1. We cannot sell our house without also selling our bodies. If these things are happening to us, they are probably happening to other people as well. That is the reason to pay off the mortgages before moving to a sparsely populated state.

Remember that the Lord told us that "they have made merchandise of you (2Peter 2:3). We are sleep walking and falling all over the place without knowing it. I know this isn't as much information as you would like, but I don't want people to paruse the post, and miss the important stuff. So I keep it brief. Okay?

 

[Lewiz]

I believe that we, as Christians are being called to come out from among them and be ye separate saith the Lord. I think we have all become way too comfortable in the world.

I came up with a good idea of how to help the Church to get out of debt together and then set aside monies for the future
generation for schooling and housing needs so that they don't have to disobey God by borrowing for these items.

To start the program in your Church you'll need to get at least 10 families who can afford to give at least $100.00 above
their current giving. All of this money will be applied to one of the mortgages of which family you choose first. Then after
their mortgage is paid off, apply their mortgage money plus the extra to the next family's mortgage. Continue doing this
until all of the original 10 families are mortgage free.

You could do it by longest member or draw names from a hat. Whatever is decided upon. After this is accomplished, then
begin to put the monies aside so that you can be self sufficient and will be able to aid other members for large ticket items.
This is important because I have reason to believe that borrowing money is one of the ways the evil men of Revelation 18
trade in slaves and souls of men.

Actually, I believe all sin or disobedience opens one up to their snares. Consider the poor man left for dead in the good
Samaritan story. Jericho is a symbol of iniquity, hence the" ich" in it's name.

Thoughts??????

Excellent idea! And to prove I'm with you on this, I will donate my house mortgage to be the first one to pay off!

 

[Nehemiah6]

Okay, my mortgage, I have been informed, has "strange attachments" to our bodies. The people who hold our mortgage are of the , "illumined" variety. They are masters at "double speak".

This is bordering on the superstitious. Mortgages are simply loan agreements where the house is the security. As to the Illuminati, that is a separate subject altogether.

Ideally one should not have to borrow. Ideally one should not have to borrow from lending institutions. And ideally Christians should be able to help each other out in financial matters. But the reality is frequently quite different.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Excellent idea! And to prove I'm with you on this, I will donate my house mortgage to be the first one to pay off!

If you first donate your house then the mortgage will take care of itself.

 

[Troubled65]

Reply to Nehemiah 6:

I am not superstitious, as you have suggested. I find, as I share things, things for which I give Scriptural documentation, that the "Church" doesn't have ears to hear.

I don't want to come off as high minded, but you are just like my family, who also can't hear what I believe God is calling us to heed.

I will just drop the subject because I'm clearly not communicating my thoughts in an understandable way.

 

[Troubled65]

Reply to Nehemiah 6:
You suggested that I donate my "house". Well there is just one little problem, I'm still living in it.
Not only that, but the Lord purchased my body with His blood. I'm not about to donate it to anyone.
You either don't understand how the world works, or you are malicious. Peace!

 

[garee]

I think we have all become way too comfortable in the church, making the world a closet to hide out. The world comming out of their closets destroying faith, the unseen will of God. Hard work is needed on both sides

 

[Troubled65]

Reply to garee:

You are like me, forgetting to be more expressive and clear in your post