Born Again Speaking in Tongues

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Angela53510

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Excuse me - you are crossing the red line here. Publicly calling me a liar.
From the person who condemns others for their lack of love and fruit of the Holy Spirit.
It always ends up the same with you cessationists [and backsliders] you degenerate to personal abuse and slander.
You end up attacking individuals and impugn us to be Satanic corrupt, wolves, etc etc .
I am not Oneness Pentecostal. Never have been and never will be.

For this, I apologize. I figured you dodged the question so many times, you must be hiding something. I was wrong.

As for being a backslider, God has always kept me walking towards him, and growing in the Spirit.

Where you are utterly wrong is in this false doctrine of a baptism in the Holy Spirit. The Spirit comes to dwell in us when we are saved. If we do not have the Holy Spirit within, we are not backslidden, but instead, we are not saved.

So, after you were saved, did you go for a long time with no Holy Spirit leading and guiding you? Then some time later, you got the Holy Spirit? I'm sorry, that makes no sense to me. The thing that makes us believers is that God's Spirit is within us. And if we all have the Spirit from the moment God saved us, why on earth would we need a sign, and a second infilling? The first time we met Jesus was not enough?

That is what you seem to be saying. That salvation is not enough. If it is not enough, then is God not able to give us enough.

I don't expect answers, you are so deluded, so brainwashed, you really don't know the gospel, do you? Just a fake gospel of tongues, instead of the full gospel where Jesus calls us his own, from the moment we are saved.
 

wolfwint

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I'm pretty sure I have answered your question and explained my beliefs quite clearly.
Somethings are given to us through the gifts of wisdom and knowledge and most definitely through the gifts of prophecy.
Other too have answered your questions many times adequately but no matter what people reply to you it supposedly never
answers your questions.

Be happy in your church. I am in mine.
I asked you wether you believe that before the year 1908 spiritfilled and with the Holy Spirit people lived in australia. And this question do you have ignored, but not aswered!!!
Its easy to do. Either a yes ore a no!
 
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Please stop with the hypocrisy.
Get thee to a real Pentecostal church where God through his indwelling Holy Spirit in the saints speaks to his church, his children,
in an unknown tongue and then speaks the interpretation. And then goes on to give up to three gifts of prophecy for us to learn from.
God confirms the truth himself.
Been there done that.

The Holy SPirit was no where to be found
 
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And how is it that Christ Jesus dwells within us - by the Holy Spirit given from God.
And how do we know that we have received the baptism of the Holy Spirit but by the sign that Jesus himself declares:
that is speaking (or rather praying) in a new tongue.
Stick to Jesus and what he teaches us.
Eph 1: 13 - 14 13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who[a] is the [b]guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

Yep. No tongues. Sorry Bro. You are mistaken.
 
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Well if you could possibly do that for yourself then it would lead you to Pentecostal faith and being able to pray in tongues.
Well no

It led me to my current church, Where thousands of people have been and are being uplifted, healed, and made disciples

Well focus is on outreach and finding lost sinners. And not chaos
 

Wansvic

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I would say that would be an immediate future speaking to Israel in particular to the gift of speaking in tongues..
Please supply scripture witnessing to what you believe.
 
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23 years in my Pentecostal Church and what is preached from the platform is sound doctrine, the truth and extremely scriptural
and compliant with my KJV Bible.
I know you Americans have problems with religion in the good old U.S.A but that does not mean that the rest of the world
follows your peculiar ways.
Does your current church operate the gifts of speaking in an unknown tongue and interpretation?
Do you operate the gifts of Prophecy - God speaking directly to his church, to his children?

If you were Bible obedient you would be doing this; as we are commanded to do.
You do not even resemble the NT church, let alone know what true body life is..
 
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Your grammar request does not speak to understanding of what baptism in the Holy Ghost is?

I baptize you with water for repentance, but he who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
Matthew 3:11
I have baptized you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.
Mark 1:8
1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
3 And this will we do, if God permit.
Hebrews 6:
You do not know what the baptism which is by God is dude

You need to stop.

Your trying to replace the baptism of God with the baptism of man. And that is a major sin. In fact. It could be called blasphemy!
 
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Excuse me - you are crossing the red line here. Publicly calling me a liar.
From the person who condemns others for their lack of love and fruit of the Holy Spirit.
It always ends up the same with you cessationists [and backsliders] you degenerate to personal abuse and slander.
You end up attacking individuals and impugn us to be Satanic corrupt, wolves, etc etc .
I am not Oneness Pentecostal. Never have been and never will be.
Hypocrisy at its finest.
 

fredoheaven

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No - unscriptural and denied clearly in Acts and the epistles.
This is actually Waggles basic error of misunderstanding the indwelling and infilling. He can't identify which is which. The Holy Spirit indwells once one is saved and the saved believers are being filled (controlled) by the Holy Spirit.
 

notuptome

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No - unscriptural and denied clearly in Acts and the epistles.
You cannot support your accusation from scripture. You have an incorrect soteriology and no desire to find out the correct one.

Ephesians chapter 2 clearly tells us that we are saved by the quickening of the Holy Spirit.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

Wansvic

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A real believer loves the Lord and responds to what he says, he is like a prophet who says "Thus saith the Lord", This is what the Bible says...
The following comment of yours says it all; "A real believer loves the Lord and responds to what he says," However what you miss is that everything He says is to be responded to. Not just the parts one wishes to accept.

We are told that everyone will be judged by all of the word not just bits and pieces.
 
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This is actually Waggles basic error of misunderstanding the indwelling and infilling. He can't identify which is which. The Holy Spirit indwells once one is saved and the saved believers are being filled (controlled) by the Holy Spirit.
Thats because of his misunderstanding of the thing called baptism of the spirit, which as we know it is the act of God baptising us completley into everythign in christ., He has it as some magic trickery religiou thingy which somehow gives him the gift to speak babble.

Unfortunately this is one area, where you get this wrong, alot of stuff falls with it
 
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For this, I apologize. I figured you dodged the question so many times, you must be hiding something. I was wrong.

As for being a backslider, God has always kept me walking towards him, and growing in the Spirit.

Where you are utterly wrong is in this false doctrine of a baptism in the Holy Spirit. The Spirit comes to dwell in us when we are saved. If we do not have the Holy Spirit within, we are not backslidden, but instead, we are not saved.

So, after you were saved, did you go for a long time with no Holy Spirit leading and guiding you? Then some time later, you got the Holy Spirit? I'm sorry, that makes no sense to me. The thing that makes us believers is that God's Spirit is within us. And if we all have the Spirit from the moment God saved us, why on earth would we need a sign, and a second infilling? The first time we met Jesus was not enough?

That is what you seem to be saying. That salvation is not enough. If it is not enough, then is God not able to give us enough.

I don't expect answers, you are so deluded, so brainwashed, you really don't know the gospel, do you? Just a fake gospel of tongues, instead of the full gospel where Jesus calls us his own, from the moment we are saved.
AMEN...if the SPIRIT of HIM that raised up JESUS dwell in you <----->Paul told the church at Ephesus what it means to be continually filled with the Spirit......he uses a few subordinate clauses on the heels of a present, passive imperative verb to show what it means to be continually filled with the Spirit in Ephesians 5:18-21 and speaking in tongues is not listed.....
 

fredoheaven

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The following comment of yours says it all; "A real believer loves the Lord and responds to what he says," However what you miss is that everything He says is to be responded to. Not just the parts one wishes to accept.

We are told that everyone will be judged by all of the word not just bits and pieces.
Totally Christ has shown your error and let me repeat Jesus says, I am the way the truth and the life, no man cometh unto the Father but by me. John 14:6. Wansvic are you going it in another way? If you do, that would be a false way. Other than Jesus is wrong way.
 

Wansvic

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I'm sorry if I did not make this clear.

Only believers are filled with the Holy Spirit. This happens when we are saved.
Please provide scripture that aligns with your belief that the Holy Ghost is received without the evidence of speaking in tongues the moment one believes.
 

Wansvic

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First, there was no RCC till the late 4th century, and the NT was finished long before that. There are so few references to tongues in the NT, other than the birth of the church, compared to the rest of the Bible, as to render tongues obsolete as any kind of doctrine.
The Roman Catholic Church came directly out of the Roman Empire. You may not consider yourself a part of the Catholic church but that doesn't change the fact that all churches that water baptize in the titles are considered daughters of the mother RCC. This is one of the first changes and the man made tradition continues today.

Also, your comment that there are few references to tongues other than connected to the birth of the church is interesting. Consider that the word states that a concept is established by at least 2-3 witnesses in the word itself. Numerous times we are shown how new believers were birthed into the NT church. Yet you believe that is now obsolete.

"Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints." Jude 3
 
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The Roman Catholic Church came directly out of the Roman Empire. You may not consider yourself a part of the Catholic church but that doesn't change the fact that all churches that water baptize in the titles are considered daughters of the mother RCC. This is one of the first changes and the man made tradition continues today.

Also, your comment that there are few references to tongues other than connected to the birth of the church is interesting. Consider that the word states that a concept is established by at least 2-3 witnesses in the word itself. Numerous times we are shown how new believers were birthed into the NT church. Yet you believe that is now obsolete.

"Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints." Jude 3
The RCC is not the mother of Christianity the have a another meditator (anti christ) other than the one not seen by which we can walk by faith .They have no idea what water baptism is or where to find the foundation .They also walk by sight hoping the kingdom of God comes by something we do and not the eternal word.

Its a common salvation, not a common wonderment. Jesus says its a evil generation, natural man that walk after what the eyes see Those who t do seek after wonderment and not faith the unseen experience. God looks upon the new heart, The wonderment makes the word of God without effect ..

I don't think anyone is saying new believers were not birthed into the church through the incorruptible seed by which all a born again from above. .Called the hearing of faith through the gospel of faith . Not the gospel of signs and wonders

1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

It seem you need to study to find out what water baptism is. It must be defined before the doctrine can be established .

What is the foundation of water baptism or like tongues those who seek after wonderment do not need to look just believe the wonderment as a gift.

all churches that water baptize as part of ceremony that expresses they have a desire to administer their new tongue, the gospel. The new order of priesthood as a kingdom of Priest sent from above from where the doctrine of God fall like rain upon the hard heart of men called the water of the word..

The priesthood began with Levites . When a Levi had a desire he could be ceremonially baptized with water to show he had a free will desire to serve God not seen by brining the gospel. The function of a priest .

The conversation in John 3:25 is at the center of the doctrine .Avoid what it is saying and lose the its real purpose .

John the last Levi to perform the ceremonial law (ceremonial laws are shadows) . They can get a person wet But never become the spiritual substance they point to.(faith)

There in John 3:25 we have those who walk by sight glorying in the flesh. Insisting that the old order must be maintained, so that they can call glory as a wonderment in there own flesh rather that then the unseen spirit of the matter.

Jesus came to fulfil the promise as showing himself as the Son of God the High priest continuously with out a beginning after the new manner of melchezedek .


Then there arose a question between some of John's disciples and the Jews about purifying. (Exodus 29:4) And they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same baptizeth, and all men come to himJohn answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven. John 3:25

Hebrews 7 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

Hebrews 5:5-7 King James Version (KJV) So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee. As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
Who in the days of his flesh,
(the Son of man) when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him (thefather) that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;


I would offer. It is impossible to find any sort of foundation that says or hints to the idea of a outward sign that confirms a person is born again We walk by faith according to the prescription 2 Corinthian 4:18 (its not what the eyes see the temporal )

Remember, Aaron's two sons tried to change the format like the Catholics. . There flesh was burnt to a ash but the ceremonial clothing did not have a hint of the firery judgement


Exodus 29:4