here is my post again (1066) that you disagreed with. you espouse the belief that we are baptized in the Spirit of God upon conversion but that is not backed up by either the words of Jesus or the events that transpired that fulfilled his prophetic announcement (he said what would happen before it did) the baptism IN the Holy Spirit is for what? Jesus said the ULTIMATE purpose was for power to witness for Him. the gifts are for the body. I cannot address all you wrote right now. later if I can. but what does Jesus say?
such confusion. this is what happens when cessationists try to make scripture fit their belief
to be baptized in the Holy Spirit does not mean this is what happens when you accept Christ as your Savior. this is not the biblical model and is a corrupted interpretation
first off, as I brought up some weeks back, the actual GREEK is to be baptized IN and not with. throughout the entire NT there are only 2 prepositions used with the verb phrase 'to baptize'. those words are IN and INTO
when Jesus states 'for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with
the Holy Spirit not many days from now.' Acts 1:5, before he was taken up into heaven, He also states that the purpose of such a baptism is
8But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes upon you, and you will be My witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.' Acts 1
now the disciples and all those who were still with Jesus were obviously already saved.
let me repeat that. THE DISCIPLES WERE ALREADY SAVED WHEN JESUS SAID THIS
so, this errant teaching that baptism in the Holy Spirit is accepting Christ is corrupt and not biblical
there are some individuals here who do not accept the baptism IN the Holy Spirit and therefore, have created their own version of what the words mean
so, the fact the disciples were saved and yet Jesus told them to WAIT for the Holy Spirit whom the Father was going to send, indicates that the baptism in the Holy Spirit is a separate and DISTINCT event
so we understand, from Jesus' words and the chronological events described in the book of Acts, that you are saved when you believe in the Lord Jesus Christ (don't confuse this with sanctification or anything that comes after. this is an event IN the history of your life that is not duplicated) and
the enduement for power to witness for Him comes when you are baptized IN the Holy Spirit
any other version of events or meaning is, again, a corruption of the text and should be tossed aside like the lie that it is
the Bible is more than clear that if you do not have the baptism IN the Holy Spirit you do NOT have this power that Jesus speaks of
there is no way around that, other than to deny the words of Christ and create a corruption of the text