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This is what is wrong with most, if not all, of the gifting churches, I do believe God can and still does use the gift of tongues to accomplish his will. But these churches have twisted the meaning of words, and made literal acts of God in our salvation and gifting into some religious act that does does not even fit scripture.
They try to replace the baptism of God, and make it into some religious thing which has nothign to do with what it really means. And is another flaw in the english writers failing to interpret the word, but instead transliterate the word.
Man can not baptise us into Christ or his death by immersing us in water.
But God sure can, By immersing (baptising) us into Christ, his death and his burial. And he will in the future baptize us into his full resurrection. (Rom 6)
Man can not circumcize our souls by immersing us in water, we are spiritually circumcised by the baptism of the spirit who raised Jesus from the dead (col 2)
man can not baptize us into the body of Christ by immersing in water. GOD places us (baptism) into the body christ, whith Christ as the head, through the baptism of the spirit ( 1 cor 12)
It is NOT by works of righteousness which we have done (baptism is a work of righteousness) But By GODS MERCY that he saved us through the washing (through the baptism and regeneration (new birth) which is accomplishe BY THE HOLY SPIRIT (baptism of the spirit) (titus 3)
I can go on and on and on.
Jesus was given power when the spirit descended on him like a dove (anointed him) AFTER he was baptised. Not BECAUSE of the baptism. They were two seperate events.
Our annointing is no different, when we are sealed by the HS of promise, through the annointing of the HS, wher we are empowered from on high.
But if we are not baptized by God and made alive, Non of the above will even happen.
Once again, Baptism of the spirit is NOT what gives one person any gift, be it tongues, helps, prophesy, Teaching, giving, discenment, or whatever gift the HOLY SPIRIT deams is needed to edify and complete the local church so it can accomplish Gods will.
It is through the HOLY SPIRIT COMING INTO or ON a person, which is CALLED ANOINTING, not BAPTISM
They try to replace the baptism of God, and make it into some religious thing which has nothign to do with what it really means. And is another flaw in the english writers failing to interpret the word, but instead transliterate the word.
Man can not baptise us into Christ or his death by immersing us in water.
But God sure can, By immersing (baptising) us into Christ, his death and his burial. And he will in the future baptize us into his full resurrection. (Rom 6)
Man can not circumcize our souls by immersing us in water, we are spiritually circumcised by the baptism of the spirit who raised Jesus from the dead (col 2)
man can not baptize us into the body of Christ by immersing in water. GOD places us (baptism) into the body christ, whith Christ as the head, through the baptism of the spirit ( 1 cor 12)
It is NOT by works of righteousness which we have done (baptism is a work of righteousness) But By GODS MERCY that he saved us through the washing (through the baptism and regeneration (new birth) which is accomplishe BY THE HOLY SPIRIT (baptism of the spirit) (titus 3)
I can go on and on and on.
Jesus was given power when the spirit descended on him like a dove (anointed him) AFTER he was baptised. Not BECAUSE of the baptism. They were two seperate events.
Our annointing is no different, when we are sealed by the HS of promise, through the annointing of the HS, wher we are empowered from on high.
But if we are not baptized by God and made alive, Non of the above will even happen.
Once again, Baptism of the spirit is NOT what gives one person any gift, be it tongues, helps, prophesy, Teaching, giving, discenment, or whatever gift the HOLY SPIRIT deams is needed to edify and complete the local church so it can accomplish Gods will.
It is through the HOLY SPIRIT COMING INTO or ON a person, which is CALLED ANOINTING, not BAPTISM
Noun, not the verb. Really? Of course each scripture has a reference to a verb. An action is occurring when the Holy Ghost fills, pours, etc.
The word states that a concept will be established by 2-3 witnesses within the word itself:
Upon receiving the Holy Ghost individuals spoke in an unknown tongue: Acts 2:1-4, 10:44-48, 19:1-6. In each of these cases the scripture specifically states:
"They were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues,..." Acts 2:4
"And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. For they heard them speak with tongues, Acts 10:45-46
"And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues" Acts 19:6
Paul's question to the Ephesus disciples proves a couple points. One, the Holy Ghost is not always received when one believes. Two, the individual will know without a doubt that they have received it:
He (Paul) said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? Acts 19:2
There are times when one must ask to receive the Holy Ghost. Otherwise Jesus would not have made the following statement:
“If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?” Luke 11:13
Peter said that repentance and water baptism in Jesus name’ was required and individuals shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. This promise was not only for those present but extended to as many as the Lord shall call. (Acts 2:38-39)
Again, keep in mind that the instructions and promise given by Peter on the Day of Pentecost was to continue until the Lord stopped drawing people unto Himself.
The word states that a concept will be established by 2-3 witnesses within the word itself:
Upon receiving the Holy Ghost individuals spoke in an unknown tongue: Acts 2:1-4, 10:44-48, 19:1-6. In each of these cases the scripture specifically states:
"They were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues,..." Acts 2:4
"And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. For they heard them speak with tongues, Acts 10:45-46
"And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues" Acts 19:6
Paul's question to the Ephesus disciples proves a couple points. One, the Holy Ghost is not always received when one believes. Two, the individual will know without a doubt that they have received it:
He (Paul) said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? Acts 19:2
There are times when one must ask to receive the Holy Ghost. Otherwise Jesus would not have made the following statement:
“If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?” Luke 11:13
Peter said that repentance and water baptism in Jesus name’ was required and individuals shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. This promise was not only for those present but extended to as many as the Lord shall call. (Acts 2:38-39)
Again, keep in mind that the instructions and promise given by Peter on the Day of Pentecost was to continue until the Lord stopped drawing people unto Himself.
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your cruelty and demonic comments to those who believe the entire record of scripture is well known here
you have just shattered your glass house
you accuse people over and over and hurl scripture like a spear...even though it has no effect on us
however, it does reveal your corrupted beliefs
so, perhaps stop your own accusations and God will yet be merciful to you and melt your hard heart a little
I have nothing more to say to you
you have just shattered your glass house
you accuse people over and over and hurl scripture like a spear...even though it has no effect on us
however, it does reveal your corrupted beliefs
so, perhaps stop your own accusations and God will yet be merciful to you and melt your hard heart a little
I have nothing more to say to you
There is no truth in what you teach about tongues. You seem to wish to condemn those who point out your scriptural errors. Does the seem right to you? Being a prodigal does not mean that you are unsaved but it does speak to the relationship with the Father.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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You misunderstand that scripture. Not all operate in the gift of tongues which is giving a message from God to the fellowship.
I’ve said this so many times now but experiencing seems to be the only way these are understood.
Plus...how do you think Jesus knew what was in the hearts of those around Him? He too received the anointing power of Father for ministry. And He moved in the fullness of the gifts.
We are in part, but the body is full.
I’ve said this so many times now but experiencing seems to be the only way these are understood.
Plus...how do you think Jesus knew what was in the hearts of those around Him? He too received the anointing power of Father for ministry. And He moved in the fullness of the gifts.
We are in part, but the body is full.
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Some people have to seriously look in the mirror. They accuse others of doing the same thing they have done multiple times.
Is it so difficult to just speak what we believe without having to try to tear others down by accusatory language? I tried to expose some one who was doing it by doing it back to that person. And probably because people reported it, a mod came in (which I am grateful for it shows the mods are watching.
Maybe he needs to come back again. Because every time I see people do this, I get so tempted to return it back to them, and it is not right.
Is it so difficult to just speak what we believe without having to try to tear others down by accusatory language? I tried to expose some one who was doing it by doing it back to that person. And probably because people reported it, a mod came in (which I am grateful for it shows the mods are watching.
Maybe he needs to come back again. Because every time I see people do this, I get so tempted to return it back to them, and it is not right.
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mr grateful, if you despise my posts or me personally as much as you seem to do...and exhibit such uncontrolled desire to hurt in some manner, I would suggest...just suggesting mind you...that you actually do ignore me as you said you would do
your friend is not here to control you, so remember what he said
I think it would help you. doesn't matter to me at all one way or the other
however, you give yourself away with every childish and silly post and have no effect here at all
no one likes a person who tries to control everyone and everything around them as you try to do
your friend is not here to control you, so remember what he said
I think it would help you. doesn't matter to me at all one way or the other
however, you give yourself away with every childish and silly post and have no effect here at all
no one likes a person who tries to control everyone and everything around them as you try to do
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I am sorry sis, but I can not understand what your trying to say here.
People are saved WHEN they are baptised by God.
They are given gifts after the HS comes into (anoint) them, and gives them power
In the begining God used many gifts, Including speaking to people in their own language, prophesying, and many other things,
You can see in acts how the larger the church grew, things started to slow down. Because certain things were really no longer needed. If you read the new testament, You can see the same thing,
God works how he deems fit, and he works however he will. In my church, we thrive, and many people come to Christ, we have a HUGE college ministry, were people who have been contaminated with the world values in the schools, and are addicted to drugs and alcohol and sexual sin, come to Christ in droves, Many of those kids have through the years become leaders in our church, having witnessed first hand the power of god.
And not one time the gifts of tongues or prophesy been required or used, Because God did nto need those gifts.
People are saved WHEN they are baptised by God.
They are given gifts after the HS comes into (anoint) them, and gives them power
In the begining God used many gifts, Including speaking to people in their own language, prophesying, and many other things,
You can see in acts how the larger the church grew, things started to slow down. Because certain things were really no longer needed. If you read the new testament, You can see the same thing,
God works how he deems fit, and he works however he will. In my church, we thrive, and many people come to Christ, we have a HUGE college ministry, were people who have been contaminated with the world values in the schools, and are addicted to drugs and alcohol and sexual sin, come to Christ in droves, Many of those kids have through the years become leaders in our church, having witnessed first hand the power of god.
And not one time the gifts of tongues or prophesy been required or used, Because God did nto need those gifts.
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does someone need to back and count the stupids and other names the cessationists have called others?
do we need to go back and count all the slurs and mockery done by people who are cessationists in the last few days?
do we perhaps need to remind others that calling people demonic is reportable?
is that what this is about? report a post while calling someone demonic?
I can go find those posts any time and I am sure the mods might like to read those before they make any judgement calls
do we need to go back and count all the slurs and mockery done by people who are cessationists in the last few days?
do we perhaps need to remind others that calling people demonic is reportable?
is that what this is about? report a post while calling someone demonic?
I can go find those posts any time and I am sure the mods might like to read those before they make any judgement calls
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moderator:
If you (broad "you", not just you two specifically) people cannot discuss a topic without these types of accusations, then stay out of the discussion.
so maybe just stop threatening others with a moderator when you are the one that was told to calm down
yes he WAS talking to everyone
using scripture to hurl at others like a javelin is just as bad as I have already stated to notuptome
