Born Again Speaking in Tongues

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7seasrekeyed

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The thing is;- I have two red crosses on one of my posts that I think are undeserved, and if they remain, I shall be putting those two people on ignore.

interesting

I have said the same as CS1 so are you going to put him on ignore also?

smh
 
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laugh?

cry?


I must be speaking a foreign language :LOL:
 

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I am sorry sis, but I can not understand what your trying to say here.


People are saved WHEN they are baptised by God.

They are given gifts after the HS comes into (anoint) them, and gives them power

In the begining God used many gifts, Including speaking to people in their own language, prophesying, and many other things,

You can see in acts how the larger the church grew, things started to slow down. Because certain things were really no longer needed. If you read the new testament, You can see the same thing,

God works how he deems fit, and he works however he will. In my church, we thrive, and many people come to Christ, we have a HUGE college ministry, were people who have been contaminated with the world values in the schools, and are addicted to drugs and alcohol and sexual sin, come to Christ in droves, Many of those kids have through the years become leaders in our church, having witnessed first hand the power of god.

And not one time the gifts of tongues or prophesy been required or used, Because God did nto need those gifts.
The baptism in the Holy Spirit is after salvation as is recorded in acts.
Unless you think salvatiin is received through the laying on of hands.
Is that how they give alter calls? By laying on of hands?
The jailer: what must i do to be saved?
Paul; i will lay hands on you to receive the Holy Spirit"
Uh,no that of course is a separate different issue.

You dont believe the bible.
You reject truth.
You are in that powerless loop of your friends,lead into changing the word by false backslidden leaders.
The baptism was given for power. Power for the great comission,and power to live Holy.
 

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So god left us an incomplete word?

Sorry sis i Can. It agree he said his word can make us complete in him which means we need nothing else

I agree. Church history is still being written

But what we need to be perfected and made whole mature in Christ was completed 2000 years ago
Do you feel as though you are "perfected?" I think I am a work in progress pressing towards the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. (Php 3:14)
 

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I urge you to use care in accusing the brethren. It simply does not suit those who name the name of Christ

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Nowhere is Cessationism in the bible.
Cessationists made it up.
Your time would be better spent convincing cowboys horses are extinct and are a sad crutch to the smart people that run on foot in a roundup.
 

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Wrong, Paul did not mention baptism in eph 1 because it was not required. It was an immediate affect of placing ones faith in Christ (as was the baptism of the spirit. Which had to occurs first BEFORE the anointing.
baptism in water will not save you,
Your trying to replace the baptism of God with the baptism of men,


You are pretty much making the same mistake the jews made in trying to force people to be circumcized to be saved.
Please provide experiential scriptures showing when someone received the Holy Ghost the moment they believed without the evidence of speaking in tongues. There are none. Every experience recorded includes the message being given to repent, get water baptized in Jesus' name and receive the infilling of the Holy Ghost. (Acts 2:38, 8, 10:44-48, 19:1-6)

Even Paul conveyed the notion that belief and receiving the Holy Ghost are distinct from one another. Acts 19:1-6
 

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Thank you. Are you saying this is an additional blessing?

When he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: (Joh 20:22)
Not an "additional blessing" sometimes the term causes confusion, I would say another work that the Holy Spirit does. Jesus is now the Resurrected Lord. And able to do what HE said HE would do prior to His death in John 14:18 " I will not leave you comfortless."

We who are saved have the Holy Spirit in us which we know we are the children of God. Yet we also have the Holy Spirit working alongside us with empowerment. Jesus HE would be with you and IN you; two works right there of the Holy Spirit as Jesus said.

With you and in you. Jesus also said you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes Upon you Acts 1:8.
 

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Not an "additional blessing" sometimes the term causes confusion, I would say another work that the Holy Spirit does. Jesus is now the Resurrected Lord. And able to do what HE said HE would do prior to His death in John 14:18 " I will not leave you comfortless."

We who are saved have the Holy Spirit in us which we know we are the children of God. Yet we also have the Holy Spirit working alongside us with empowerment. Jesus HE would be with you and IN you; two works right there of the Holy Spirit as Jesus said.

With you and in you. Jesus also said you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes Upon you Acts 1:8.
RED: How do you think we will recognise the power of the Holy Spirit?
 

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Actually yes it does

If paul left a part of th egospel out to the church at ephesians, then he probably sent a bunch of people to hell. Because

1. If he said before it must be done, but not later, they would question him, meaning they probably would have left
2. He never mentioned it before.
I did not mean to imply that Paul neglected to mention salvation concepts to the Ephesians. The church was established well before Paul wrote the Ephesians letter you reference. Each epistle Paul wrote was written to people who were already Christians. His letters certainly differed in content and just because some do not mention what others do is not proof that a concept should be dismissed. The whole point is that the bible as a whole is to be studied and "puzzle pieces" are to be connected in order to understand what God expects of us.

Paul's understanding that water baptism in Jesus' name as well as the infilling of the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues was necessary after belief in Jesus is documented in Acts 19:1-6. There are also a number of scriptures where Paul administers or talks about concepts pertaining to water baptism; Acts 16:12-15, 16:25-34, 18:1-17, 1 Cor 1:13-16. One can conclude that Paul knew water baptizing was necessary or he would not have administered it.
 

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If you do not have the spiritual gifts of tongues,

You can not speak in tongues, Because it would not be from God. It would be from some other source.
People speak in tongues upon receiving the Holy Ghost yet are never used to edify the church body through the operation of the spiritual gift.
 
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Please provide experiential scriptures showing when someone received the Holy Ghost the moment they believed without the evidence of speaking in tongues. There are none. Every experience recorded includes the message being given to repent, get water baptized in Jesus' name and receive the infilling of the Holy Ghost. (Acts 2:38, 8, 10:44-48, 19:1-6)

Even Paul conveyed the notion that belief and receiving the Holy Ghost are distinct from one another. Acts 19:1-6
Have you read acts? Acts has MANY examples of people listening to pauls message, and many jew and gentile getting saved with no mention of speaking in tongues, and no command for them to be baptised.

Your stuck on two maybe 3 examples. Two or three events do not make a doctrine, when the mass majority show otherwise.
 
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Do you feel as though you are "perfected?" I think I am a work in progress pressing towards the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. (Php 3:14)
Hebrews 10:14
For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.

Scripture is clear.

At this very moment and for the rest of my life on earth, I am being sanctified

Yet I have been perfected forever.

Whether I feel it or not does not matter, Its why in Eph paul told us to sit and KNOW what we have given, before we get up to walk. Our walk minus the knowledge of hp in Christ will fail.
 
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I did not mean to imply that Paul neglected to mention salvation concepts to the Ephesians. The church was established well before Paul wrote the Ephesians letter you reference. Each epistle Paul wrote was written to people who were already Christians. His letters certainly differed in content and just because some do not mention what others do is not proof that a concept should be dismissed. The whole point is that the bible as a whole is to be studied and "puzzle pieces" are to be connected in order to understand what God expects of us.

Paul's understanding that water baptism in Jesus' name as well as the infilling of the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues was necessary after belief in Jesus is documented in Acts 19:1-6. There are also a number of scriptures where Paul administers or talks about concepts pertaining to water baptism; Acts 16:12-15, 16:25-34, 18:1-17, 1 Cor 1:13-16. One can conclude that Paul knew water baptizing was necessary or he would not have administered it.
In eph 1 and 2 paul told them how they were saved, Since he did not mention the word baptize (or speakin gin tongues) either paul lied. Or misled them, and they would have called him out for his deceiving doctrine.

Twist it however you want, But that is what Paul did.
 
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People speak in tongues upon receiving the Holy Ghost yet are never used to edify the church body through the operation of the spiritual gift.
Oh is this so?

Lets see, Acts 2 and Acts 10, Many were edified by those who spoke in tongues.

Sorry my friend, I just can not agree.
 

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RED: How do you think we will recognize the power of the Holy Spirit?
Do I think we will? yes, I do. the end result will always produce the same as it did in the Book of Acts.

Salvation
healing
church growth
Glory to God
edifying
 

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Do I think we will? yes, I do. the end result will always produce the same as it did in the Book of Acts.

Salvation
healing
church growth
Glory to God
edifying
The thing is, I'm not seeing the fruit of the Spirit abroad which is "love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control." (Galatians 5:22-23) :)
 

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No, He never told anyone that. And why you keep insisting people think that is just wrong my friend

Paul told everyone, Believe (have faith entrust your eternity to Christ) and you will be saved.

as he said in eph 2: 10, we are created anew (By Grace through faith) for good works.

Paul taught works, However, he taught they came AFTER a person was saved, Not BEFORE a person is saved.
Do you or do you not believe a person has to receive the Holy Ghost in order to be saved? It is clear from scripture that Paul knew believing and receiving the Holy Ghost were two separate things: He spoke the same message given on the Day of Pentecost and administered water baptism in Jesus' name and assisted in the disciples receiving the Holy Ghost:

And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,

2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost SINCE ye believed? (THIS MAKES A DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE TWO EVENTS)

And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues
, and prophesied.
And all the men were about twelve. Acts 19:1-7

The same concept is seen in the Samaritan experience. Philip preaches the gospel and water baptizes individuals. They certainly believed the gospel.

Later Peter and John are sent to them in order for them to receive the Holy Ghost.

Explain how it is possible that the concept that one receives the Holy Ghost the moment they believe is accurate when the scriptures so clearly refute it?
 
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Lets see if pentecost is just some obsolete history of a once powerful God and church;


Lets see if wonderment seekers have looked to the foundation of the doctrine of tongues according to the law spoken of in 1 Corinthians . Its just not some obsolete history of a once powerful God and church;

13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine. Acts 2

Immediately we are faced with those who mock God .God in turn with stammering lips to show they are the one that fall backward in judgement. God mock them by turning it into a sign against them.

For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.isiaiah 28:12
 
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Do you or do you not believe a person has to receive the Holy Ghost in order to be saved?
Yes I do. And paul tells us HOW we got it

Eph 1: 13 - 14 13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who[a] is the [b]guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.


1. Hear the word
2. Believe (true living faith)
3. Given the Holy Spirit as a pledge


No baptism in water, no tongues.

It is clear from scripture that Paul knew believing and receiving the Holy Ghost were two separate things: He spoke the same message given on the Day of Pentecost and administered water baptism in Jesus' name and assisted in the disciples receiving the Holy Ghost:

And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,

2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost SINCE ye believed? (THIS MAKES A DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE TWO EVENTS)

And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues
, and prophesied.
And all the men were about twelve. Acts 19:1-7

The same concept is seen in the Samaritan experience. Philip preaches the gospel and water baptizes individuals. They certainly believed the gospel.

Later Peter and John are sent to them in order for them to receive the Holy Ghost.

Explain how it is possible that the concept that one receives the Holy Ghost when they believe is accurate when the scriptures so clearly refute it?
Once again

Eph 1: 13 - 14

See also pauls message in both of his missionary journeys, Same message every time.
 
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They tarried for days. In the upper room.
So did I.
They simply obeyed.
So did I.
They prayed
So did I
They invoked faith
So did i
Fire came down and they got zapped
So did i
They spoke in tongues
So did i
They were saved, but canged and set on fire as a second work
So was I
They magnified God in a new way
So did I
They were mocked.
I was not untill some religious cessationists came my way.

Thank you Lord for confirming my experience in your word.

It is wonderful to partake of what God set before me.

A feast. A table set for any and all to sit up to and enjoy.
Joy unspeakable and full of glory.

GLORY TO GOD!!
Is speaking in a unknow tongue prophecy that come from God? If its a unknown how could be a feast?How would you know its not poison as false doctrine?