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graceNpeace

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KJV1611 said:
Explain the parable, what does it mean.
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Jesus already did it for you - and it has nothing to with a kingdom of heaven on earth:

[FONT=&quot]36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away and went into the house. And His disciples came to Him, saying, “Explain to us the parable of the tares of the field.”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]37 He answered and said to them: “He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man.38 The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one.39 The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels. 40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age. 41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear! ​Matt 13:36-43.[/FONT]
 
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graceNpeace said:
Jesus already did it for you - and it has nothing to with a kingdom of heaven on earth:

36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away and went into the house. And His disciples came to Him, saying, “Explain to us the parable of the tares of the field.”
37 He answered and said to them: “He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man.38 The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one.39 The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels. 40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age. 41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear! ​Matt 13:36-43.
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What is the kingdom of heaven in the parable?
 
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graceNpeace

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KJV1611 said:
What is the kingdom of heaven in the parable?
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Again, why don't you enlighten me on what you think rather than we play this game where you lead me around with drip-fed information.
Clearly you have some huge theological vested interest in the kingdom of heaven somehow being the earth.
 
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KJV1611 said:
If the word of the Lord came to Abram, why wouldn't he come to others before him. He spoke to Noah.
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I agree. I said He spoke verbally to ppl before Moses and after. He also spoke with Noah. I thought that was a given in that post you quoted.
 
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graceNpeace said:
Again, why don't you enlighten me on what you think rather than we play this game where you lead me around with drip-fed information.
Clearly you have some huge theological vested interest in the kingdom of heaven somehow being the earth.
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I've already told you it's the kingdom of heaven on earth.
 
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The kingdom of heaven here is the world described as the field. where the righteous and the unrighteous are among each other. the tares are the wicked which will be gathered from among the good seed,which is the righteous and they will be cast into the furnace. The end of this age is when God says it is harvest time.
 
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KJV1611 said:
I've already told you it's the kingdom of heaven on earth.
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And there isn't a shred of evidence, either in the parable itself or in the interpretation that Jesus Himself gave, that is, in fact, the case!
 
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Mat 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
Mat 11:13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.

The prophets and the law prophesied until John,and then the kingdom of heaven was being put forth by John,who prepared the way for Jesus,who put forth the kingdom of heaven,an exciting time for many people to hear of this,which was not preached like this in the Old Testament,and many people were trying hard to be able to obtain that,and that is the violent take it by force,the determination to be saved.

We have to want to enter the kingdom of heaven with such high determination,that we wll beat at the door until our fists are swollen and bloody saying,let me in.

The violent take it by force is the high determination to want to enter the kingdom of heaven,but whether on earth,or in heaven,it is still the spiritual kingdom of God,and whether kingdom of heaven,or kingdom of God,it is still the spriritual kingdom of God.

Matthew is the only one who used kingdom of heaven,but all 4 Gospels used kingdom of God,so if Matthew is the only one that used kingdom of heaven,and the others did not use it,but used kingdom of God,then when Matthew tells of the kingdom heaven,and another Gospel tells of the same thing,they would use the kingdom of God.

Matthew is the only one that used the kingdom of heaven,out of all the New Testament,so all the other writers whether they were talking of on earth,or in heaven,would say,kingdom of God.

So the kingdom of heaven,and the kingdom of God,are interchangeable.
 
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Act 7:51 Ye stiff-necked, and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Spirit: as your fathers did, so do ye.
 
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SovereignGrace said:
I agree. I said He spoke verbally to ppl before Moses and after. He also spoke with Noah. I thought that was a given in that post you quoted.
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Which means people have never been without the word of God.
 
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Gabriel2020 said:
The kingdom of heaven here is the world described as the field. where the righteous and the unrighteous are among each other. the tares are the wicked which will be gathered from among the good seed,which is the righteous and they will be cast into the furnace. The end of this age is when God says it is harvest time.
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It's pretty easy to understand isn't it. And that's why Jesus said "the son of man which is in heaven" while he was on earth.

John 3:13 KJV
And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
 
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graceNpeace said:
And there isn't a shred of evidence, either in the parable itself or in the interpretation that Jesus Himself gave, that is, in fact, the case!
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Read Gabriel2020's post, he explained it well.
 
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KJV1611 said:
Is that a typo... God's ppl have never had God's word?
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You said ppl have not been without God's word. The Philistines, Assyriaans, Babylonians, Egyptians, etc never had it.
 
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SovereignGrace said:
You said ppl have not been without God's word. The Philistines, Assyriaans, Babylonians, Egyptians, etc never had it.
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You could be right, but I think the gospel was preached to the them also.
 
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KJV1611 said:
You could be right, but I think the gospel was preached to the them also.
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Go and read Moses' dealings with Pharaoh and the Egyptians. Not once was Moses instructed to tell them to worship God. He told them to tell them to let His ppl go that they may worship Him.
 
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MattforJesus said:
Mat 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
Mat 11:13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.

The prophets and the law prophesied until John,and then the kingdom of heaven was being put forth by John,who prepared the way for Jesus,who put forth the kingdom of heaven,an exciting time for many people to hear of this,which was not preached like this in the Old Testament,and many people were trying hard to be able to obtain that,and that is the violent take it by force,the determination to be saved.

We have to want to enter the kingdom of heaven with such high determination,that we wll beat at the door until our fists are swollen and bloody saying,let me in.

The violent take it by force is the high determination to want to enter the kingdom of heaven,but whether on earth,or in heaven,it is still the spiritual kingdom of God,and whether kingdom of heaven,or kingdom of God,it is still the spriritual kingdom of God.

Matthew is the only one who used kingdom of heaven,but all 4 Gospels used kingdom of God,so if Matthew is the only one that used kingdom of heaven,and the others did not use it,but used kingdom of God,then when Matthew tells of the kingdom heaven,and another Gospel tells of the same thing,they would use the kingdom of God.

Matthew is the only one that used the kingdom of heaven,out of all the New Testament,so all the other writers whether they were talking of on earth,or in heaven,would say,kingdom of God.

So the kingdom of heaven,and the kingdom of God,are interchangeable.
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If the terms are interchangeable then why does Jesus says in Luke 17.21 the Kingdom of God is in us?
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21 [/SUP]Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
Paul re-enforces this in most of all his writings.

Matthew was written to the Jews and as such, he used the Kingdom of Heaven for a reason.
 
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