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No, it really isn't.
The trinity is never mentioned in the bible. And it is an unnecessary and misunderstood term.
It is not a prerequisite box in the checklist to salvation, that some believe in.
And it isn't what it is made out to be either.
There is a man called tertullian, who first used the term.
and he said that God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit have the same essence.
To be frank, Jesus and God have the same essence, and will, which is the spirit of holiness. They are both 'holy' beings, and both 'act' holy, and 'behave' holy, and encompass true holiness.
Denying man made doctrine through assertion of one's own common sense, and making up one's own mind, are things that everyone should do, and should be enabled to do without certain 'sects' telling them they are committing abominable sins for doing so.
The trinity is one man's perspective on how God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit co-encide (personified Holy Spirt).
Nothing more than that. But it has become practically law.
I disagree with most trinitarian doctrine, on the basis that it is man-fabricated, misunderstood, wrongly-taught, and most of the modern translation of it makes no sense, that and it seems to be part of some 'salvation checklist' and it's forced down peoples throats with phrases like 'it is required to salvation'.
Nonsense.
Even in the beginning of Christianity, people didn't believe nor even have heard of this 'trinity'. The Jews didn't believe it before Jesus came, and the people who were with Jesus clearly knew the difference between him and God.
God is one.
There is one God, and also one mediator between God and men; Jesus the Messiah.
The trinity is never mentioned in the bible. And it is an unnecessary and misunderstood term.
It is not a prerequisite box in the checklist to salvation, that some believe in.
And it isn't what it is made out to be either.
There is a man called tertullian, who first used the term.
and he said that God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit have the same essence.
To be frank, Jesus and God have the same essence, and will, which is the spirit of holiness. They are both 'holy' beings, and both 'act' holy, and 'behave' holy, and encompass true holiness.
Denying man made doctrine through assertion of one's own common sense, and making up one's own mind, are things that everyone should do, and should be enabled to do without certain 'sects' telling them they are committing abominable sins for doing so.
The trinity is one man's perspective on how God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit co-encide (personified Holy Spirt).
Nothing more than that. But it has become practically law.
I disagree with most trinitarian doctrine, on the basis that it is man-fabricated, misunderstood, wrongly-taught, and most of the modern translation of it makes no sense, that and it seems to be part of some 'salvation checklist' and it's forced down peoples throats with phrases like 'it is required to salvation'.
Nonsense.
Even in the beginning of Christianity, people didn't believe nor even have heard of this 'trinity'. The Jews didn't believe it before Jesus came, and the people who were with Jesus clearly knew the difference between him and God.
God is one.
There is one God, and also one mediator between God and men; Jesus the Messiah.
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hey there, you completely misunderstood me.
The law tells us what is sin, and it is still sin. But we are not bound by the punishments of the law. The law said a harlot is to be stoned, yet when the people brought a harlot to Jesus, and said the law states she must be stoned, He did not tell them they lied. He told them let he who has no sin cast the first stone.. He was changing. Harlotry is still sin, but the punishments are no longer valid to us,
I would not kill a harlot because the law said I must. Jesus did not do it. why would I?
The law tells us what is sin, and it is still sin. But we are not bound by the punishments of the law. The law said a harlot is to be stoned, yet when the people brought a harlot to Jesus, and said the law states she must be stoned, He did not tell them they lied. He told them let he who has no sin cast the first stone.. He was changing. Harlotry is still sin, but the punishments are no longer valid to us,
I would not kill a harlot because the law said I must. Jesus did not do it. why would I?
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If you are talking to me, I do not deny the trinity, I am simply saying in earthly terms that the policeman, the father and the husband are One person.
And so it is for God, who because He is omnipresent in heaven and on earth is one person.
Personally I hate it when people break God up into three parts, which I think must grieve the Holy Spirit who is God. (One not two.)
There are amphibians that are perfectly happy on land and in water and we don't make them into two, so just because God is in heaven, on earth and in our hearts why should we make Him into three, these are the environments, not the person. We don't do that with a sea plane that is designed for sea and air, it is One plane.
And so it is for God, who because He is omnipresent in heaven and on earth is one person.
Personally I hate it when people break God up into three parts, which I think must grieve the Holy Spirit who is God. (One not two.)
There are amphibians that are perfectly happy on land and in water and we don't make them into two, so just because God is in heaven, on earth and in our hearts why should we make Him into three, these are the environments, not the person. We don't do that with a sea plane that is designed for sea and air, it is One plane.
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I don't know what this topic has to do with homosexuality. For me, I believe in the doctrine of the trinity and not because some man coined the term. I believe in the trinity because it is clearly taught in various scriptures.
1) God is one as you say. (Duet. 6:4 "Hear oh Israel, the Lord our God is one.")
2) God the Father is clearly identified as being God in many scriptures.
3) Jesus is God. (John 1:1-3)
4) The Holy Spirit is also called God. ([SUP]3 [/SUP]Then Peter said, “Ananias, why have you let Satan fill your heart? You lied to the Holy Spirit, and you kept some of the money for yourself.[SUP]4 [/SUP]The property was yours to sell or not sell, as you wished. And after selling it, the money was also yours to give away. How could you do a thing like this? You weren’t lying to us but to God!” Acts 5:3-5)
The bible never mentions the word trinity but it sure does affirm the concepts of the trinity!
I only read the OP so I apologize if I repeat what another said.
The sin of homosexuality is to lie with mankind as womankind. God never said that a man being attracted to another man was an abomination. I honestly don't think we can choose who we are attracted to, so in that sense I would agree that a person doesn't choose to be gay. On the other hand we CAN choose what we do with our thoughts and our bodies, to consciously sin there is a decision that has to be made. To commit the sin of homosexuality a man has to make a choice to "lie with mankind as womankind" as the KJV puts it or to lust after a member of the same sex. So there is a decision in committing the sin of homosexuality, just as heterosexuals have to make the decision to fornicate with a member of the opposite sex. All kinds of people struggle with the temptation of sexual sins, but EVERYBODY has the choice, whether it be fornicating with a member of the same or opposite sex.
The sin of homosexuality is to lie with mankind as womankind. God never said that a man being attracted to another man was an abomination. I honestly don't think we can choose who we are attracted to, so in that sense I would agree that a person doesn't choose to be gay. On the other hand we CAN choose what we do with our thoughts and our bodies, to consciously sin there is a decision that has to be made. To commit the sin of homosexuality a man has to make a choice to "lie with mankind as womankind" as the KJV puts it or to lust after a member of the same sex. So there is a decision in committing the sin of homosexuality, just as heterosexuals have to make the decision to fornicate with a member of the opposite sex. All kinds of people struggle with the temptation of sexual sins, but EVERYBODY has the choice, whether it be fornicating with a member of the same or opposite sex.
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How does "sexual immorality" kill? And by that I'm assuming you're speaking about homosexuals.
Dude, you ARE the media! Christianity is the majority in this country. You really think that those who aren't christian DON'T get Christian messages sprung at them every chance they get? I, too, have a big problem with the amount of brainwashing and horrible messages the media sends out. I hear you there! But retaliating by doing the same thing back is not the answer. You're a christian and that's great, keep it in your family, because those of us in America who aren't christian are WELL aware of you guys.
Dude, you ARE the media! Christianity is the majority in this country. You really think that those who aren't christian DON'T get Christian messages sprung at them every chance they get? I, too, have a big problem with the amount of brainwashing and horrible messages the media sends out. I hear you there! But retaliating by doing the same thing back is not the answer. You're a christian and that's great, keep it in your family, because those of us in America who aren't christian are WELL aware of you guys.
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Batman007 - Except not everybody is a Christian. In fact, the majority of people on this planet aren't. So why are you dictating what your view of a family is onto others who may not share your view? Remember the saying, treat others the way you would want to be treated? Imagine being on the receiving end of a group of people deciding that your lifestyle is sinful and therefore should be outlawed. I'd imagine your response would be somewhere along the lines of, it's my life don't tell me how to live it.
If you think that gay marriage "directly undermines marriage and families," HOW? How does gay marriage "directly undermine" your family and marriage? Because if you're that insecure about your sexuality that the marriage of two same-sex people is threatening, you may want to do some soul searching because I for one am not at all disgruntled by the love of two people. Nor do I think most people are. I would hope that your lifestyle would be secure enough that it could survive nearly anything, let alone some gays marrying.
In response - Sad but true not everybody is a Christian, how God's heart would overflow with utter joy if we all were.
It is not my view of marriage/family but God's - you will have to take it up directly with Him if you disagree He is after all the Judge of mankind.
I am a firm believer in treating others as I want to be treated, I do not hate gay people but love them as I do all sinners but I can not and will not condone their sexual sin for God says it is wrong. Yes it is their life to do as they wish for God gave us freewill but if we do not speak out they may never have a chance to repent and I would hate them to stand in judgement before God and say they did not know their sexual life was sin to God and be banished to hell, it is out of love I speak not hate.
If God says what I do is wrong, I lean on Christ to help me break free from the bonds of sin that are unpleasing to God, not easy but possible in God.
It is undermined by the fact that marriage states it is between a women and a man. End of story by changing that it is being undermined and outside of God's perfect plan.
I am NOT insecure nor am I threaten I am just a Christian sharing with others about the love and will of our awesome Lord.
If you think that gay marriage "directly undermines marriage and families," HOW? How does gay marriage "directly undermine" your family and marriage? Because if you're that insecure about your sexuality that the marriage of two same-sex people is threatening, you may want to do some soul searching because I for one am not at all disgruntled by the love of two people. Nor do I think most people are. I would hope that your lifestyle would be secure enough that it could survive nearly anything, let alone some gays marrying.
In response - Sad but true not everybody is a Christian, how God's heart would overflow with utter joy if we all were.
It is not my view of marriage/family but God's - you will have to take it up directly with Him if you disagree He is after all the Judge of mankind.
I am a firm believer in treating others as I want to be treated, I do not hate gay people but love them as I do all sinners but I can not and will not condone their sexual sin for God says it is wrong. Yes it is their life to do as they wish for God gave us freewill but if we do not speak out they may never have a chance to repent and I would hate them to stand in judgement before God and say they did not know their sexual life was sin to God and be banished to hell, it is out of love I speak not hate.
If God says what I do is wrong, I lean on Christ to help me break free from the bonds of sin that are unpleasing to God, not easy but possible in God.
It is undermined by the fact that marriage states it is between a women and a man. End of story by changing that it is being undermined and outside of God's perfect plan.
I am NOT insecure nor am I threaten I am just a Christian sharing with others about the love and will of our awesome Lord.
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I was talking about homosexuals not sexually transmitted infections, but I'll answer anyway because for some reason people tend to lump those two together.
My views on STIs? What do you mean my views? I'd like to avoid them. I think that it's important to teach youth how to have safe sex and to get tested and get partners tested. Otherwise I guess my views is they're probably quite unpleasant.
Of course if a couple wants to remain "faith to each other for life" that's a great idea! I'd encourage that. Good for them. However I think it's very unrealistic to believe that only teaching this to teenagers and kids will reduce the amount of STDs and STIs, and I have statistics to back me up there. It could certainly be taught alongside safe sex, though.
But I still don't understand why you brought up STIs.
My views on STIs? What do you mean my views? I'd like to avoid them. I think that it's important to teach youth how to have safe sex and to get tested and get partners tested. Otherwise I guess my views is they're probably quite unpleasant.
Of course if a couple wants to remain "faith to each other for life" that's a great idea! I'd encourage that. Good for them. However I think it's very unrealistic to believe that only teaching this to teenagers and kids will reduce the amount of STDs and STIs, and I have statistics to back me up there. It could certainly be taught alongside safe sex, though.
But I still don't understand why you brought up STIs.
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In response - Sad but true not everybody is a Christian, how God's heart would overflow with utter joy if we all were.
It is not my view of marriage/family but God's - you will have to take it up directly with Him if you disagree He is after all the Judge of mankind.
I am a firm believer in treating others as I want to be treated, I do not hate gay people but love them as I do all sinners but I can not and will not condone their sexual sin for God says it is wrong. Yes it is their life to do as they wish for God gave us freewill but if we do not speak out they may never have a chance to repent and I would hate them to stand in judgement before God and say they did not know their sexual life was sin to God and be banished to hell, it is out of love I speak not hate.
If God says what I do is wrong, I lean on Christ to help me break free from the bonds of sin that are unpleasing to God, not easy but possible in God.
It is undermined by the fact that marriage states it is between a women and a man. End of story by changing that it is being undermined and outside of God's perfect plan.
I am NOT insecure nor am I threaten I am just a Christian sharing with others about the love and will of our awesome Lord.
It is not my view of marriage/family but God's - you will have to take it up directly with Him if you disagree He is after all the Judge of mankind.
I am a firm believer in treating others as I want to be treated, I do not hate gay people but love them as I do all sinners but I can not and will not condone their sexual sin for God says it is wrong. Yes it is their life to do as they wish for God gave us freewill but if we do not speak out they may never have a chance to repent and I would hate them to stand in judgement before God and say they did not know their sexual life was sin to God and be banished to hell, it is out of love I speak not hate.
If God says what I do is wrong, I lean on Christ to help me break free from the bonds of sin that are unpleasing to God, not easy but possible in God.
It is undermined by the fact that marriage states it is between a women and a man. End of story by changing that it is being undermined and outside of God's perfect plan.
I am NOT insecure nor am I threaten I am just a Christian sharing with others about the love and will of our awesome Lord.
"I am a firm believer in treating others as I want to be treated". Ok, so how would you feel if a group of Muslims decided to start passing laws in America based on what the Koran says? Or Hindus come and try to ban hamburgers because it's against their religion to eat cows? Probably be pretty annoyed, right?
"It is undermined by the fact that marriage states it is between a woman and a man. End of story by changing that it is being undermined and outside of god's perfect plan." Ok so if marriage is "god's perfect plan" then why is the government involved? Because your god is keeping gay couples from seeing each other in the hospital if one is dying, along with all the other many government issued rights married couples have. If marriage is a religious issue it should be in the church and not the government.