Calvinism and Context?

[Bbrdrd]

As were you offended by my questions to you regarding scripture....watch your accusations about me not believing the Gospel....as I will report you next time.

If I can be banned for expressing sincere concern as a matter of love then this is not truly a Christian forum.

There is a difference between declaring "you're not saved" as a put-down over doctrine, and being gravely concerned that someone is engaged in self-deception.

That you cannot see the difference and respond with hostility to people simply reaching out to you only deepens the concern.

 

[cv5]

HAHHAHHAHAAHAHHAHHAHA THIS HAS GOT TO BE ONE of the most hilariously tragic statements I have seen on this site.....Doctrine from Scratch <-this is nothing but pure poppycock.

Wow man....put the books down, pick up the bible and open your eyes to the truth!

Based on your track record I will have to say that your post is 33 1/3% correct!

Give it time you'll get better. Just keep hitting the books you'll be fine.

 

[dcontroversal]

Based on your track record I will have to say that your post is 33 1/3% correct!

Give it time you'll get better. Just keep hitting the books you'll be fine.

My track record is fine, your regurgitation off the drivel you read in books on the other hand....not so bright!

 

[Bbrdrd]

HAHHAHHAHAAHAHHAHHAHA THIS HAS GOT TO BE ONE of the most hilariously tragic statements I have seen on this site.....Doctrine from Scratch <-this is nothing but pure poppycock.

Wow man....put the books down, pick up the bible and open your eyes to the truth!

Sadly the error is common. Too many people fail to see that everything Paul said was building on what was in the OT and because they don't understand the examples he drew on and the questions he was answering they misunderstand his words. It's not confined to reformed theology alone but present in most post-reformational theologies.

 

[jackrosie]

What is the gospel of good news?

If I can be banned for expressing sincere concern as a matter of love then this is not truly a Christian forum.

There is a difference between declaring "you're not saved" as a put-down over doctrine, and being gravely concerned that someone is engaged in self-deception.

That you cannot see the difference and respond with hostility to people simply reaching out to you only deepens the concern.

You are as cunning as a fox with your words....if anyone is deceived tis you sir.....as plain as my nose on my face.

 

[dcontroversal]

Sadly the error is common. Too many people fail to see that everything Paul said was building on what was in the OT and because they don't understand the examples he drew on and the questions he was answering they misunderstand his words. It's not confined to reformed theology alone but present in most post-reformational theologies.

Exactly.......Israel was called the "assembly" of the firstborn in the wilderness <-same word translated church in the King Jimmy.......Grace, love, salvation, being chosen in Him (biblically and not the satanic calvinistic way) is woven all through the O.T. in example, picture, type, shadow and somewhat obscure, but it is there......I have come to the conclusion that Calvinism is more dangerous and false than Mormonism and Jehovah's Witnesses......because of it's "slyness" and the way it skews, twists and embellishes the word of God as opposed to just printing one's own "bible" like the Book of Mormon or Watchtower garbage.

 

[jackrosie]

If I can be banned for expressing sincere concern as a matter of love then this is not truly a Christian forum.

There is a difference between declaring "you're not saved" as a put-down over doctrine, and being gravely concerned that someone is engaged in self-deception.

That you cannot see the difference and respond with hostility to people simply reaching out to you only deepens the concern.

Did you say HOSTILITY...yours is all over this thread!..as are a few others,but you missed their posts.😂🤣😅...as well as your own..😂🤣😅

 

[Bbrdrd]

You are as cunning as a fox with your words....if anyone is deceived tis you sir.....as plain as my nose on my face.

My Master did instruct me to be wise as a serpent.

 

[Bbrdrd]

Did you say HOSTILITY...yours is all over this thread!..as are a few others,but you missed their posts.😂🤣😅...as well as your own..😂🤣😅

Yes, I am very hostile to false doctrine and I have little patience for those who peddle it seeking only a name for themselves. I serve a jealous God who loathes deceit.

 

[jackrosie]

Yes, I am very hostile to false doctrine and I have little patience for those who peddle it seeking only a name for themselves. I serve a jealous God who loathes deceit.

As is God hostile to false doctrine,..I will challenge their false dogma for as long as God wants me to...

God hates a false witness!

 

[Just_Jo]

You are as cunning as a fox with your words....if anyone is deceived tis you sir.....as plain as my nose on my face.

Why do you dance around the gospel word?
Can you call on the name of Jesus?
Is Jesus your Lord and Master?

Do you fear and tremble at His name?

Jesus,Jesus,JESUS IS THE RISEN CHRIST THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF THE HOLY FATHER!

He alone is redemption for the sin of the lost in unbelief!

 

[awelight]

You seem to misunderstand the objection, at least on my part. It is not that all has to mean each and every, but that in order to preserve the doctrine of election as presented under TULIP dishonest scales are used.

In one place, where Scripture appears to possibly agree with the doctrine the plain text cannot be assailed. There is no discussing of the context or other Scripture that need to be harmonized the text alone is sufficient.

Where Scripture appears to contradict, the doctrine takes precedence and the text has to give way.

There is no consistency, no standard by which Scripture is being discussed and its contents understood it is simply being twisted to suit the doctrine and preserve it.

Once again, what you express in your answer, acknowledges the need to use the immediate context, in order to obtain the proper use of a particular word, in this case "all". Yet, when it does not suit your doctrine, you use terms like "twist". but with no Scriptural example attached.

You can't have it both ways. In every verse of Scripture, the word "all" must be given it's proper understanding by the context. For instance:

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: In what way, would the word "all" be limited? The answer. In no way.
John_6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. In what way is the word "all" limited? It is limited by the words that say, "...the Father giveth...." Not everyone but a certain group. You cannot ascertain that there is a select group from this one verse. That knowledge, comes from the understanding that there are going to be those who are cast out.

So give me a verse wherein the use of "all" is "twisted".

 

[jackrosie]

Why do you dance around the gospel word?
Can you call on the name of Jesus?
Is Jesus your Lord and Master?

Do you fear and tremble at His name?

Jesus,Jesus,JESUS IS THE RISEN CHRIST THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF THE HOLY FATHER!

He alone is redemption for the sin of the lost in unbelief!

I dance around no Gospel.....I believe the Gospel....unlike you...as you rise up against the word of God in my posts..when faced with the scripture I post,you give red X and a 👎..you dismiss scripture I post,sweep it under the rug.

 

[Bbrdrd]

Once again, what you express in your answer, acknowledges the need to use the immediate context, in order to obtain the proper use of a particular word, in this case "all". Yet, when it does not suit your doctrine, you use terms like "twist". but with no Scriptural example attached.

You can't have it both ways. In every verse of Scripture, the word "all" must be given it's proper understanding by the context. For instance:

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: In what way, would the word "all" be limited? The answer. In no way.
John_6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. In what way is the word "all" limited? It is limited by the words that say, "...the Father giveth...." Not everyone but a certain group. You cannot ascertain that there is a select group from this one verse. That knowledge, comes from the understanding that there are going to be those who are cast out.

So give me a verse wherein the use of "all" is "twisted".

You're only addressing half my criticism. I'm not going to engage further until you rebut the whole thing, because it is taken together.

If you don't understand the criticism, re-read the post because I'm not repeating it. Until you rebut the entire argument, it stands.

 

[Just_Jo]

I dance around no Gospel.....I believe the Gospel....unlike you...as you rise up against the word of God in my posts..when faced with the scripture I post,you give red X and a 👎..you dismiss scripture I post,sweep it under the rug.

You my dear do as you ACCUSE others of doing!
Please answer my questions IF you dare!

 

[awelight]

You're only addressing half my criticism. I'm not going to engage further until you rebut the whole thing, because it is taken together.

If you don't understand the criticism, re-read the post because I'm not repeating it. Until you rebut the entire argument, it stands.

As I suspected, no Scripture. Not surprising because you know if you do, it will not stand the test of examination. After all, you never use Scripture in your discussions, just high sounding words from a humanist logic.

This is a Bible discussion, not a philosophy discussion. The Scriptures answer Scriptures. I grow weary of your self indulgence apart from what God has said.

 

[Just_Jo]

Yeah,I didn't think you could or would answer me for you are of your father.........

 

[Bbrdrd]

As I suspected, no Scripture. Not surprising because you know if you do, it will not stand the test of examination. After all, you never use Scripture in your discussions, just high sounding words from a humanist logic.

This is a Bible discussion, not a philosophy discussion. The Scriptures answer Scriptures. I grow weary of your self indulgence apart from what God has said.

The topic at hand is interpretation, and the dishonest treatment you give to it. You want Scripture?

Proverbs 11:1
A false balance is an abomination to the LORD, but a just weight is his delight.

 

[Just_Jo]

Someone's soul is hanging in the balance and found wanting .........pray saints.
Jesus wept!

 

[jackrosie]

You my dear do as you ACCUSE others of doing!
Please answer my questions IF you dare!

You shall know them by their fruit.

Beware of false prophets.They come in sheep’s clothing,but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.

For the word of God is alive and active.Sharper than any double edged sword,it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit,joints and marrow,it judges the the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.....please
interpret?

God testified to my spirit that I am his child.?

The Holy Spirit indwells a believer?