Calvinism - Another Heresy

[PinkDiamond]

I think the only time God ever limited his knowledge of anything was when Christ ( speaking as the son of man) said that only the father knows when the son of man will return. Of course, as the the son of God, Christ knew when he would return but he was speaking in that instances as the son of man. It's impossible for God to not know any future action or there would be something that existed that was greater than God or somehow hidden from his knowledge.

I believe that the example of Nineveh is very similar to Sodom. Of course, God knew there weren't really even 10 righteous in the city, but for Abraham's sake, he makes the agreement to spare the city for a remnant. I think that God in his dealings with man will communicate and interact with us in a way that we can understand and comprehend. He will also in his justice and fairness extend mercy or issue warnings to those that he knows will harden or reject truth. This is so that every man will be without excuse and see the justness of God in his dealings with men

 

[John146]

How is that lying? Repent or I'm judging you. At this point there's no indication that you will. That's where this is going.

It's also demonstrating His sovereignty, mercy, and justice. I can judge, I will judge, it's right that I judge. I love you and will give you another chance, not because I have to, not because I should... I want to. Love believes all things, hopes all things, bears all things, love never fails.

I think you could also say, love doesn't always make intellectual sense.

There was not repent or else in the message. The message was loud and clear, "Yet forty days and Nineveh shall be overthrown." Don't add to Scripture to fit a theology.

 

[John146]

I think the only time God ever limited his knowledge of anything was when Christ ( speaking as the son of man) said that only the father knows when the son of man will return. Of course, as the the son of God, Christ knew when he would return but he was speaking in that instances as the son of man. It's impossible for God to not know any future action or there would be something that existed that was greater than God or somehow hidden from his knowledge.

I believe that the example of Nineveh is very similar to Sodom. Of course, God knew there weren't really even 10 righteous in the city, but for Abraham's sake, he makes the agreement to spare the city for a remnant. I think that God in his dealings with man will communicate and interact with us in a way that we can understand and comprehend. He will also in his justice and fairness extend mercy or issue warnings to those that he knows will harden or reject truth. This is so that every man will be without excuse and see the justness of God in his dealings with men

Then the message should have been, "If you don't repent, God is going to destroy Nineveh in forty days." I don't want to add to Scripture to fit a theology. Let it stand and believe it.

 

[stonesoffire]

Psa_56:8　 Thou tellest my wanderings: put thou my tears into thy bottle: are they
not in thy book?

Isa_66:18　 For I know
their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see my glory.

Jer_6:19　 Hear, O earth: behold, I will bring evil upon this people, even
the fruit of their thoughts, because they have not hearkened unto my words, nor to my law, but rejected it.

Psa_44:21　 Shall not God search this out? for he knoweth the secrets of the heart.

Is this enough?

 

[John146]

Psa_56:8　 Thou tellest my wanderings: put thou my tears into thy bottle: are they
not in thy book?

Isa_66:18　 For I know
their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see my glory.

Jer_6:19　 Hear, O earth: behold, I will bring evil upon this people, even
the fruit of their thoughts, because they have not hearkened unto my words, nor to my law, but rejected it.

Psa_44:21　 Shall not God search this out? for he knoweth the secrets of the heart.

Is this enough?

All these things are knowledge to be known: man's thoughts, the heart of man, man's works, etc..

These verses in no way declares that God knows all future decisions by all men. It's not there.

 

[posthuman]

Please provide Scripture stating God knows every future decision every man will make...​

So you doubt God?

Psalm 139:4English Standard Version (ESV)

4 Even before a word is on my tongue,
behold, O Lord, you know it altogether.

Yes, before I speak a word, God knows it. Why? Because I have thought it before I spoke. He knows our thoughts. That's knowledge to be known.

let's keep reading . . .

Your eyes have seen my unformed substance;
And in Your book were all written
The days that were ordained for me,
When as yet there was not one of them.
(Psalm 139:16)​

 

[posthuman]

How does the prophetic work?

it's awfully weird in my opinion to believe in prophecy but not predestination.

it's the future, told from the past. not because God has a ffwd ►► button or a crystal ball. because He's God.

& prophesy isn't this will happen if Jon and Mary and Sue and Bob make choices a, b, c, d, e, f, . . . . it's this will come to pass and I will make it come to pass because I am God, and I will do it because I am God, and I am telling you now so that when you see it you will know I am God. according to His own purpose He raises up and lowers, and seats in this place and that, and He turns the hearts of kings where He will.

 

[John146]

let's keep reading . . .

Your eyes have seen my unformed substance;
And in Your book were all written
The days that were ordained for me,
When as yet there was not one of them.
(Psalm 139:16)​

15 My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.
16 Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.

God has determined how man's members, body parts, would be fashioned, or formed in the womb.Awesome isn't it?

 

[StanJ]

Christ's faith is imputed to the believer. Christ's faith never fails.

Please provide a scripture to support this assertion.

 

[posthuman]

15 My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.
16 Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.

God has determined how man's members, body parts, would be fashioned, or formed in the womb.Awesome isn't it?

even the heart?

and the spiritual parts?

((btw -- in KJV, it reads "and in they book all my members were written . . ." -- "my members" is italicized because it isn't actually in the text, but the translators took liberties in interpreting to stick it in there. what's actually written looks pretty difficult to translate - and almost unanimously in every language is translated one way or the other as "all my days were written in your book before they came to be" -- but then you don't care about that, do you? actual translation? you're one of them, KJV says it therefore it is the immutable perfect word choice people, right? even the italicized stuff?))

 

[John146]

Please provide a scripture to support this assertion.

Romans 3:22, Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

The faith of Jesus Christ is upon all that believe. The faith of Jesus Christ is God's righteousness, thus, God's righteousness is imputed to the believer.


Here are a few more Scripture stating the faith of Jesus Christ:

Galatians 2:16, Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Galatians 2:20, I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Philippians 3:9, And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

Ephesisans 3:12, In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him.

 

[dcontroversal]

Please provide a scripture to support this assertion.

Galatians 2 vs->16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

 

[StanJ]

Romans 3:22, Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

The faith of Jesus Christ is upon all that believe. The faith of Jesus Christ is God's righteousness, thus, God's righteousness is imputed to the believer.


Here are a few more Scripture stating the faith of Jesus Christ:

Galatians 2:16, Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Galatians 2:20, I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Philippians 3:9, And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

Ephesisans 3:12, In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him.

Romans 3:22 does not say that Jesus' faith is imputed to us, it says that the righteousness of God is available to all who confess Jesus as their savior. Jesus is our righteousness not our faith.
As far as the rest of the scripture you quoted is concerned I would suggest you stop reading the King James version because you obviously don't understand it and switch to another version that is more in keeping with your own personal vernacular.
Try the NET, NIV, or NLT. Even the NEW King James Version is a better translation than the one you've used above.

 

[StanJ]

Galatians 2 vs->16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

I suggest you read my post before this one and stop reading the King James version if you don't understand what it is saying.

 

[John146]

Romans 3:22 does not say that Jesus' faith is imputed to us, it says that the righteousness of God is available to all who confess Jesus as their savior. Jesus is our righteousness not our faith.
As far as the rest of the scripture you quoted is concerned I would suggest you stop reading the King James version because you obviously don't understand it and switch to another version that is more in keeping with your own personal vernacular.
Try the NET, NIV, or NLT. Even the NEW King James Version is a better translation than the one you've used above.

You're asking me to give up what I believe is THE word of God for versions you yourself don't even trust in completely? That's a bad trade off. No thank you. I think you should be a Bible believer instead of a Bible corrector.

 

[garee]

Please provide a scripture to support this assertion.

If its Christ's work of faith as coming from, or generated by our faithful Creator how could it fail seeing it is His Spirit that works in us to both will and do His good pleasure as a imputed righteousness. The righteousness of Christ's faith that worked in both Abraham and Rehab making His faith by that His work in them both perfect perfect...

If we would attach that righteousness to either Rehab or Abraham we then would violate the warning in the first verse of that chapter. We are not to have the "faith of Christ's works, that work in us in respect to Abraham or Rehab, as it concludes in verse 7 . They would be blaspheming the holy name by which we are called .

If God by faith believing He could, said; let there be light and no light came, His faith would be dead there would be no living work to prove it.

I would think we must distinguish whose one faith is working .(One Lord, one faith, one baptism.Ephesians 4:5) Would it be that of the Spirit of Christ, the Holy Spirit of God or of men? There is no separation from faith with out living works. For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

Again whose works, him seen or eternal God not seen??

Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

Again whose faith worked with His works and by that work His faith was made complete. Abraham, Rehab or God's faith?

And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.Jam 2:21-26

 

[dcontroversal]

I suggest you read my post before this one and stop reading the King James version if you don't understand what it is saying.

I read the following post and my response was valid....so............

Originally Posted by John146

Christ's faith is imputed to the believer. Christ's faith never fails.

YOUR REPLY
Please provide a scripture to support this assertion.

MY RESPONSE which is clear.....!

Originally Posted by dcontroversal

Galatians 2 vs->16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

 

[StanJ]

You're asking me to give up what I believe is THE word of God for versions you yourself don't even trust in completely? That's a bad trade off. No thank you. I think you should be a Bible believer instead of a Bible corrector.

If you are a KJVO proponent then you don't believe in the Bible, you believe in a translation. The Bible is in Greek and Hebrew.
The King James version is not a good translation as is evidenced by what you've shown already here. If you were a Greek believer, you would know that the King James version is wrong but if you are KJVO, your problem is much greater than not understanding the written word of God.

 

[StanJ]

I read the following post and my response was valid....so............

Originally Posted by John146

Christ's faith is imputed to the believer. Christ's faith never fails.

YOUR REPLY
Please provide a scripture to support this assertion.

MY RESPONSE which is clear.....!

Originally Posted by dcontroversal

Galatians 2 vs->16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Did I really have to say a properly translated scripture? This response is nothing but deflection.

 

[John146]

If you are a KJVO proponent then you don't believe in the Bible, you believe in a translation. The Bible is in Greek and Hebrew.
The King James version is not a good translation as is evidenced by what you've shown already here. If you were a Greek believer, you would know that the King James version is wrong but if you are KJVO, your problem is much greater than not understanding the written word of God.

I believe God when He promised to preserve His pure words for all generations and I believe we have it in the KJV. Go on correcting the Bible. You have nothing certain to point to.