Calvinist Kitchen...stirring the pot

[Duskey]

But what is Gods truth, when we have so many different interpretations of what Gods truth is. How do you know that your interpretation is the only correct one?

Before I answer your question I will ask you a question. How is it that you don’t know God’s Truth yet fiercely defend calvinism?

 

[ScottyPchristian]

Tell that to all the people to WHOME the word filled their hearts and through the word repented and had faith and were saved

You did not answer me. How can a man dead in sin be made alive in sin? Since according to your view justification has
Not yet happened?

I never said that justification hasn't happened, we receive eternal life, forgiveness of all past, present and future sins at the moment God regenerates us. We are liberated from bondage to sin, but we still struggle with it because we still live in corrupt bodies of death. There's a big difference between serving sin and going to war against it. As soon as God regenerates us we enter into a mortal war against our flesh, in which we will suffer many losses.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Absolutely right, we don't need the gospel to be saved. Millions have been saved without ever reading a Bible, the thief on the cross didn't even get a chance to partake in Bible study or baptism

So they can be saved without knowing the gospel truth

Wow man are you real?

 

[Duskey]

Does this mean that there are no Christians with a high intellect

Placing your faith and trust in Jesus Christ is the highest intellect anyone can possess.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Calvin preached trust in Christ, so someone has lied to you my friend

But you can’t trust until god makes you alive
hence again it’s not based on real trust

 

[eternally-gratefull]

But what is Gods truth, when we have so many different interpretations of what Gods truth is. How do you know that your interpretation is the only correct one?

Many ways or way us the truth is united not contradictory.

 

[ScottyPchristian]

I think god tells us this. Also remember. Who did Jesus hand out with the wise or the lowly?

God is no respecter of men, He saw the righteous paraphrases and the prostitutes as sinners equally in need of salvation

 

[Duskey]

You mean they proclaimed that Christ had come, not "the coming" they all believed in Gods sovereignty and that's exactly what Calvin believed

You’re getting twisted. Try again.

 

[Duskey]

No just stating the truth. Do not want to appear like I think God allows people to be saved

What do you mean by your second sentence?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Does this mean that there are no Christians with a high intellect

Did Jesus not say we must come to him as a child?

 

[ScottyPchristian]

But you can’t trust until god makes you alive
hence again it’s not based on real trust

The only real trust we can have is the one that God gives us, our natural trust and love are perverted and tainted with pride and selfishness. We would only trust and love Him, in order to use Him to get what we want and that would be things like money and power

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You mean they proclaimed that Christ had come, not "the coming" they all believed in Gods sovereignty and that's exactly what Calvin believed

What? Who have you listened to?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I never said that justification hasn't happened, we receive eternal life, forgiveness of all past, present and future sins at the moment God regenerates us. We are liberated from bondage to sin, but we still struggle with it because we still live in corrupt bodies of death. There's a big difference between serving sin and going to war against it. As soon as God regenerates us we enter into a mortal war against our flesh, in which we will suffer many losses.

This is a Impossible. Justification comes by faith. Without faith it is impossible

Hence you have people made alive in sin

 

[ScottyPchristian]

Did Jesus not say we must come to him as a child?

I think Christ meant we must come in humility and simplicity, without an alternative motive. Children are simple and easy to read, the smarter a person is the more proud they seem to be

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The only real trust we can have is the one that God gives us, our natural trust and love are perverted and tainted with pride and selfishness. We would only trust and love Him, in order to use Him to get what we want and that would be things like money and power

God gave us the word. He gave us creation (romans 1). He gave us the HS who convicts the world of sin righteousness and judgment. He gave us The cross and people who are examples of his truth as we see their lives change he gave us so many numerous things to be ablE to stop trusting in self and start seeing the truth that we have an opportunity to repent and come to true faith
I am saddened you do not believe in the power of God to change hearts so that they can have an opportunity to be saved or to Continue to call the Hs a liar and commit the sin which shall Never be forgiven.
no one will go to hell because of sin. Jesus paid the sin debt
they are condemned because if
Unbelief. Jesus told us this in his own words
he who believes is not condemned he who does not Believe is condemned already because he has not believed

 

[ScottyPchristian]

This is a Impossible. Justification comes by faith. Without faith it is impossible

Hence you have people made alive in sin

Yes, every single person who has ever been saved was saved in sin, unless the Bible lied when it claimed that all have sinned.

 

[ScottyPchristian]

God gave us the word. He gave us creation (romans 1). He gave us the HS who convicts the world of sin righteousness and judgment. He gave us The cross and people who are examples of his truth as we see their lives change he gave us so many numerous things to be ablE to stop trusting in self and start seeing the truth that we have an opportunity to repent and come to true faith
I am saddened you do not believe in the power of God to change hearts so that they can have an opportunity to be saved or to Continue to call the Hs a liar and commit the sin which shall Never be forgiven.
no one will go to hell because of sin. Jesus paid the sin debt
they are condemned because if
Unbelief. Jesus told us this in his own words
he who believes is not condemned he who does not Believe is condemned already because he has not believed

I don't believe in the man centered gospel of salvation by works. I believe that salvation is of the Lord, so if the Lord saves a person then they cannot lose their salvation no matter how much they sin because the Lord cannot fail in anything He does. If salvation is dependent on anything we do than, we will fail and end up in hell

 

[throughfaith]

I've just spent the last few months studying the doctrine of election and I have now become a Calvinist

Did you know there is no verse that election is to salvation .

 

[eternally-gratefull]

God is no respecter of men, He saw the righteous paraphrases and the prostitutes as sinners equally in need of salvation

Yep and as he said he came to them all he wanted to take them under his wing as a mother hen. But they were unwilling

He went to the sinners because he knew they would receive him which many did.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

What do you mean by your second sentence?

He asked if people allowed people to be saved if I questioned him it would appear I thought he allowed people to save themselves