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Most everyone on this forum, I believe, are born again, if they are here for the right reason, but look at the many different doctrines represented. They are all God's sheep, born again, and destined for heaven. Jesus said that God has hidden the mystery of the truth of his gospel to many and revealed it to only a few (and that is a big question I have for God "WHY") nevertheless, just because you are following the doctrine as instructed by man, does not mean you have lost your eternal destination.
Where have I ever stated that a born again believer "following the doctrine as instructed by man" loses eternal salvation?

What I stated was that when the believer follows men (or the doctrines of men), he/she remains as a newborn babe who feeds on the milk of the Word and does not progress to the meatier matters. Scripture indicates that those who follow men or the doctrines of men are carnal, envious, striving, and divisive:

1 Corinthians 3:

1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.

2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.

3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?



In Ephesians 4, we are instructed not to be children so that we are able to discern deceitful doctrines.

Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive.


We are to grow up in the Lord Jesus Christ so that we effectively work in order to increase and build up the body of Christ in love.

Ephesians 4:15-16 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.


We will never reach the point of the Eph 4:15-16 believer if we continue to follow men and/or men's doctrines. Following men's doctrines results in the believer being tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive.
 

ForestGreenCook

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Same can be said about being chosen before the foundation.

The only issue is, God can not regenerate a person UNTIL that person is justified. Otherwise, God regenerates a person in sin. Which is impossible and would go against Gods perfect laws and justice system. God can not go against his own character, thats why his love alone could not save us. Because his justice demands punishment, and Gods love can not over rule that.

Love did find a way though, Through death.
Those that God regenerates have already been made just by the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross. There is the punishment.
 

ForestGreenCook

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Where have I ever stated that a born again believer "following the doctrine as instructed by man" loses eternal salvation?

What I stated was that when the believer follows men (or the doctrines of men), he/she remains as a newborn babe who feeds on the milk of the Word and does not progress to the meatier matters. Scripture indicates that those who follow men or the doctrines of men are carnal, envious, striving, and divisive:

1 Corinthians 3:

1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.

2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.

3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?


In Ephesians 4, we are instructed not to be children so that we are able to discern deceitful doctrines.

Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive.


We are to grow up in the Lord Jesus Christ so that we effectively work in order to increase and build up the body of Christ in love.

Ephesians 4:15-16 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.


We will never reach the point of the Eph 4:15-16 believer if we continue to follow men and/or men's doctrines. Following men's doctrines results in the believer being tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive.
Sorry, I misunderstood your explanation. I am in agreement with you on this subject.
 
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Those that God regenerates have already been made just by the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross. There is the punishment.
Then they were born alive they never would have had to be regenerated. Because they would have been born justfied, free of sin, and with the righteousness of Christ already in them.

Again You stumble wiht your words and made your argument even harder to survive
 

ForestGreenCook

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Then they were born alive they never would have had to be regenerated. Because they would have been born justfied, free of sin, and with the righteousness of Christ already in them.

Again You stumble wiht your words and made your argument even harder to survive
God choose a set amount of people to be his elect, in covenant relationship, before the foundation of the world (Eph 1) He choose them way before they were even born a natural birth. When they were born into this world in natural birth they were all spiritually dead because of the sin of Adam. Sometime between their natural birth and their natural death God regenerates them and gives them the Holy Spirit (born again) so that they could discern spiritual things and honor and praise him.
 

Nehemiah6

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God choose a set amount of people to be his elect, in covenant relationship, before the foundation of the world (Eph 1)
Ephesians 1 must be interpreted in the light of ALL GOSPEL TRUTH.

What you are suggesting contradicts the Gospel. Therefore you need to understand the proper meaning of election and predestination. It is never for salvation but always for perfection and glorification.

"To be conformed to the image of His Son" means to be transformed into the likeness of Christ, and wholly perfected.
 

ForestGreenCook

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Ephesians 1 must be interpreted in the light of ALL GOSPEL TRUTH.

What you are suggesting contradicts the Gospel. Therefore you need to understand the proper meaning of election and predestination. It is never for salvation but always for perfection and glorification.

"To be conformed to the image of His Son" means to be transformed into the likeness of Christ, and wholly perfected.





God predestined those that he choose to be adopted as children by Jesus Christ to himself (Eph 1:5). Jesus paid that adoption price on the cross and will gather his elect adopted children at the last day and take them home.