Can a Christian live the rest of their life without sinning?

[FlSnookman7]

The Word says our citizenship is in Heaven and we await Jesus return FROM there. We know there is no sin in Heaven so...(Phi 3:20). The Word also says we are like Jesus is HERE IN THIS WORLD.(1 John 4:17) We know Jesus did not sin so....
It is very difficult for a proud human to accept grace, the idea that what must be done we can not do and in fact must trust God alone to do is more than many egos can take. It is far more pleasing to continue to deny what Jesus did for us and live in a world of false humility and self righteousness by disagreeing with God and calling ourselves sinners once saved. In fact it is exactly that false humility and self righteousness that institutional churches count on to keep control.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Like I said if you understood then you would not be blind to the truth.

I do uderstand them, Just not the way you do, They do not say what you claim they say, no matter how many times we read them, they do not say what you THINK they say.

Just because I do nto understand them the way you think I should does not mean I do nto understand them.

(Matthew 5:48) “Even the pagans do as much, do they not? You must therefore be perfect just as your heavenly Father is perfect.”

By the way the above scripture are Jesus’ Words.

Yes they are the words of Jesus, The word perfect there in the greek can be translated as mature or complete. Not sinless perfect.. Jesus did not speak in english, so you should not try to impose an english defenition on a greek word.

It does not say sinless perfect. Peter was not sinless, He had to be chastened by paul LONG after they were sent out by Jesus himself. Paul in rom 7 showed he was not sinless

If paul and peter after all they had, were not sinless. Forgive me if I do not think I am better than they are.. Ir King david (a murderer and adulter) or Abraham, or moses or any of the other hall of fame believers.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The Word says our citizenship is in Heaven and we await Jesus return FROM there. We know there is no sin in Heaven so...(Phi 3:20). The Word also says we are like Jesus is HERE IN THIS WORLD.(1 John 4:17) We know Jesus did not sin so....
It is very difficult for a proud human to accept grace, the idea that what must be done we can not do and in fact must trust God alone to do is more than many egos can take. It is far more pleasing to continue to deny what Jesus did for us and live in a world of false humility and self righteousness by disagreeing with God and calling ourselves sinners once saved. In fact it is exactly that false humility and self righteousness that institutional churches count on to keep control.

amen, If I am sinless. I no longer ned grace, I can live under law and make it to heave based on my works, not on Christ work.. I have made it..

Paul said he was still running the race at the end of his life. If paul has not made it yet, How dare anyone else think they have any hope of making it (sinless perfection)

Satan wants us to think we are perfect. He takes us out of the race then. because we think we made it, We take our eyes of jesus and put it solely on self. at which point, we are totally useless to God.. Which is satans goal

Thats why sinless perfectionism and legalism are satans greates triumphs, The pharisee was master of both lies.. And they crucified christ because

1. They thought they were perfect (multiple times they claimed to have obeyed the law since birth)
2. They thought law saved them, and rejected they needed grace (legalism)

 

[Johnlove]

I do uderstand them, Just not the way you do, They do not say what you claim they say, no matter how many times we read them, they do not say what you THINK they say.

Just because I do nto understand them the way you think I should does not mean I do nto understand them.



Yes they are the words of Jesus, The word perfect there in the greek can be translated as mature or complete. Not sinless perfect.. Jesus did not speak in english, so you should not try to impose an english defenition on a greek word.

It does not say sinless perfect. Peter was not sinless, He had to be chastened by paul LONG after they were sent out by Jesus himself. Paul in rom 7 showed he was not sinless

If paul and peter after all they had, were not sinless. Forgive me if I do not think I am better than they are.. Ir King david (a murderer and adulter) or Abraham, or moses or any of the other hall of fame believers.

Does not matter what you want to believe perfect means in Greek, Jesus told us what he meant by perfect. As the Father in Heaven is.

 

[PeterJens]

Well, maybe it is just me, but why do we keep talking about sin

The op is about live without sinning.

Now if sin was not a problem or issue no one would be contributing.
If the majority were living in victory, abiding in the vine, having close
communion with the Lord and not being even tempted, the stories would flow.

But defeat and failure is the argument from many.
And as before the question of what is sin and what is not is different to different
people.

"Oh you only think you do not sin because you water down the benchmark""
"You condemn yourself because you are hyper-legalists and make everything sin."

Now both are true at different points.
What matters to me is actually walking in the Holy Spirit with Christ in righteousness
and purity.

Paul talks about no hint of sexual immorality.

So my question is can we be pure, even to ourselves? I would answer yes, but the
war with sexual desire and need for love and reassurance is important.

Interestingly many contributors have a very varied experience, some not married,
some without kids or life experience, so it takes time to listen and know exactly what
each individual means in their struggles and issues. But I know everyone has them,
or else we would not be here following Christ. It is a simple given.

 

[Grace777x70]

Paul also talks about malice ( which exhibits in name-calling, insults ) and slander and causing divisions is just as bad adultery, stealing, murder but yet to some - this is an acceptable practice. It is all sin and it is destructive to ourselves , others and it ruins out witness for the Lord.

 

[DeaconMike]

(Romans 8:1-4) “The reason, therefore, why those who are in Christ Jesus are not condemned, is that the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death. God has done what the Law, because of our unspiritual nature, was unable to do. God dealt with sin by sending his own Son in a body as physical as any sinful body, and in that body God condemned sin he did this in order the Law’s just demands might be satisfied in us, who behave not as our unspiritual nature but as the spirit dictates.”
(1 John 3:5-6) “Now you know that he appeared in order to abolish sin, and that in him there is no sin; anyone who lives in God does not sin, and anyone who sins has never seen him or known him.”

(1 John 2:5 -6) “Whoever says, 'I know him' without keeping his commandments, is a liar, and truth has no place in him. But anyone who does keep his word, in such a one God's love truly reaches its perfection. This is the proof that we are in God. Whoever claims to remain in him must act as he acted.”

(1 John 3:9-10) “No one who is a child of God sins because God's seed remains in him. Nor can he sin, because he is a child of God. This is what distinguishes the children of God from the children of the devil: whoever does not live uprightly and does not love his brother is not from God” New Jerusalem bible

(1 John 3:9-10) “No one who has been begotten by God sins; because God’s seed remains inside him, he cannot sin when he has been begotten by God. In this way we distinguish the children of God from the children of the devil: anybody not living a holy life and not loving his brother is no child of God’s.”

Dear John Love


9 No one who is begotten by God commits sin, because God’s seed remains in him; he cannot sin because he is begotten by God. 10 In this way, the children of God and the children of the devil are made plain; no one who fails to act in righteousness belongs to God, nor anyone who does not love his brother.

New American Bible. (2011). (Revised Edition, 1 Jn 3:9–10). Washington, DC: The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops.

One needs to continue to act in righteousness belongs to God. St John is speaking to a community of baptized. He is establishing what is expected of them. Kind of a marker for them to hit. Then he says one who fails to act in righteousness belongs to God, nor anyone who does not love his brother.
One must continue to act righteously.

 

[FlSnookman7]

Dear John Love


9 No one who is begotten by God commits sin, because God’s seed remains in him; he cannot sin because he is begotten by God. 10 In this way, the children of God and the children of the devil are made plain; no one who fails to act in righteousness belongs to God, nor anyone who does not love his brother.

New American Bible. (2011). (Revised Edition, 1 Jn 3:9–10). Washington, DC: The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops.

One needs to continue to act in righteousness belongs to God. St John is speaking to a community of baptized. He is establishing what is expected of them. Kind of a marker for them to hit. Then he says one who fails to act in righteousness belongs to God, nor anyone who does not love his brother.
One must continue to act righteously.

And if one does not they must confess??? That is not the gospel Jesus left us rather it is a way religious organizations control their flock.

 

[Johnlove]

Dear John Love


9 No one who is begotten by God commits sin, because God’s seed remains in him; he cannot sin because he is begotten by God. 10 In this way, the children of God and the children of the devil are made plain; no one who fails to act in righteousness belongs to God, nor anyone who does not love his brother.

New American Bible. (2011). (Revised Edition, 1 Jn 3:9–10). Washington, DC: The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops.

One needs to continue to act in righteousness belongs to God. St John is speaking to a community of baptized. He is establishing what is expected of them. Kind of a marker for them to hit.

Then he says one who fails to act in righteousness belongs to God, nor anyone who does not love his brother. What a lie! I believe the church has been teaching lies for so long it does not even know the difference between a lie and the truth.

One must continue to act righteously.

No one who has been begotten by God sins;
because God's seed ‘remains inside him,
he cannot sin when he has been begotten by God.
Second condition: keep the commandments, especially the law of love In this way we distinguish the children of God
from the children of the devil:
anybody not living a holy life
and not loving his brother
is no child of God's.
it This is the message
as you heard it from the beginning:
that we are to love one another;

Jerusalem Bible

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Paul also talks about malice ( which exhibits in name-calling, insults ) and slander and causing divisions is just as bad adultery, stealing, murder but yet to some - this is an acceptable practice. It is all sin and it is destructive to ourselves , others and it ruins out witness for the Lord.

Its like the ones claiming how we should be righteous or sin free are the worse sinners.

Then again, The pharisee showed us this, Internal sin is hidden, and may be excused by the doer, but dangerous..

 

[Grace777x70]

Its like the ones claiming how we should be righteous or sin free are the worse sinners.

Then again, The pharisee showed us this, Internal sin is hidden, and may be excused by the doer, but dangerous..

True....we can't "see" on the web - stealing, murder, adultery..etc but we can "see" malice ( name-calling, insults ) and slander being manifested.

It's interesting as I just thought about this now - the web shows up the "hidden sins" like malice, slander, an attitude of superiority..etc that some think as normal in a Christian's life. Strange..I wonder why that is?

 

[PeterJens]

My sacrifice, O God, is a broken spirit; a broken and contrite heart you, God, will not despise.
Psalm 51:17

For this is what the high and exalted One says— he who lives forever, whose name is holy: “I live in a high and holy place, but also with the one who is contrite and lowly in spirit, to revive the spirit of the lowly and to revive the heart of the contrite.
Isaiah 57:15


Has not my hand made all these things, and so they came into being?” declares the Lord. “These are the ones I look on with favor: those who are humble and contrite in spirit, and who tremble at my word.
Isaiah 66:2

Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted.
Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.
Matt 5:3-5

When you combine the two issues, it is knowing our state before the King of Kings
that does matter.

The christian tradition is to learn how to be these things yet celebrate the wonder
of life and love, of success and things of this world.

Jesus says you cannot serve money and God.

I was looking at a motoring program on TV and realised its basis of appeal was
coveting the possession. When you sit inside these cars, after paying vast fortunes
for them, if people were not jealous of you, it is like what is the point.

I also saw a program about how lonely and isolated the super rich are, because they
live for creating this covertness and yet travel so much they have few real relationships
and are often very lonely, isolated by this wealth though living is a prison of their own
making.

It takes time to separate out from the contamination of sin in ones life.
This is called sanctification, the walk of following after Christ is obedience.

What I have realised like a light dawning, when some people say you do not believe this,
what is being meant is you do not believe this in the way I mean it.

It is then turned around and said, "I do believe it in the correct way, you are just a lost
blind hypocrite."

The joke is this is all done on purpose, to discredit people, as if credit has value. There
is only one worthy person of credit, Christ and His word. So draw near to Him and listen
to His word to your heart. The difficult thing is though, some resolve their problems
through lenses, which sounds very much like the cults.

 

[Chester]

Many people think we have to sin because we are human, yet the Bible never tells us we will always sin in any way. Actually it tells us not to sin as the writer John says I tell you these things that you sin not, but if you do sin we have an advocate with the Father Jesus the Anointed One.
I cannot speak for anyone else only my self I have not come to that place in my life but that is what I want to become and if I never make it to that point I have given my best Is what I want to do.

Excellent post - This is what I wanted people to see when I started this post - we do not have to "sin because we are human". We can live above the power of sin -- but when/if we do sin - we have Jesus as our advocate.

 

[Chester]

Probably could've used a little meekness, lol.

Were your saying you should have had a "little meekness"?

If so, please don't report yourself!! It wasn't that bad!

 

[tourist]

Probably could've used a little meekness, lol.

That looks like one of those little blue pills.

 

[PeterJens]

These things that I once considered valuable, I now consider worthless for Christ. 8 It’s far more than that! I consider everything else worthless because I’m much better off knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. It’s because of him that I think of everything as worthless. I threw it all away in order to gain Christ 9 and to have a relationship with him. This means that I didn’t receive God’s approval by obeying his laws. The opposite is true! I have God’s approval through faith in Christ. This is the approval that comes from God and is based on faith 10 that knows Christ. Faith knows the power that his coming back to life gives and what it means to share his suffering. In this way I’m becoming like him in his death, 11 with the confidence that I’ll come back to life from the dead.
Phil 3:7-11

I threw it all away in order to gain Christ and to have a relationship with him.

The trouble with commandments, they are just ideas.
The trouble with sin, is it just failure we are slaves to.

The glorious thing about the cross and Jesus, it is life, a relationship with Him.

There was a testimony given by someone of a woman who came to a pastor and said
should I still run my shop. They said to the woman, "Everyday when you are in the shop
pray to God about what you are doing and your customers."

After a week she came back and said she felt she should stop doing was she was doing.

So many things are actually not black and white, but about intention and fruit and what
you are actually do in the process. You can be brilliant at what you do, but its effect
can be destructive on peoples lives, so maybe it is actually the wrong thing to do.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Peter your last two posts are good and no one can argue with what said in them.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

True....we can't "see" on the web - stealing, murder, adultery..etc but we can "see" malice ( name-calling, insults ) and slander being manifested.

It's interesting as I just thought about this now - the web shows up the "hidden sins" like malice, slander, an attitude of superiority..etc that some think as normal in a Christian's life. Strange..I wonder why that is?

If satan can get you to think that is normal. He can keep your pride at a high level. Which takes you out of the battle. we must be humble if we want to do anything for Christ.

 

[LaurenTM]

there is evidence enough in this thread of unfounded and opinionated accusations, to prove the reply to be...wait for it....



no

 

[Grace777x70]

That looks like one of those little blue pills.

LOL... I used to sell those...different shape though but the same blue color.