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To the op,............
No, we "Christians" can not lose our salvation once we have been drawn to the Father through the Son
(John 6:44). We are kept by the power of God through faith (1Peter 1:5). It is impossible for a man to overcome sin without Christ and save himself (John 14:6) (Matthew 19:26). That is why God is our Savior, He saves, (Psalm 3:8, Jude 1:25 ) and He saves completely and to the uttermost all that come to Him.(Hebrews 7:25)

Job 42:2
I know that thou canst do every thing, and that no thought can be withholden from thee.

Jeremiah 32:27
Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?

Luke 1:37
For with God nothing shall be impossible.

Luke 18:27

And he said, The things which are impossible with men are possible with God.

Psalm 3:8
Salvation belongeth unto the LORD: thy blessing is upon thy people. Selah.

Acts 10:15
The voice spoke to him a second time, "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean."

Acts 10:43
To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
 

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Do you think satan is real? that he is a real entity? Do you think him an idiot? He is called the God of this world for a reason, he is great at what he does. Tell me something, if a person is sealed from satan once they accept Jesus Christ as their Savior and Lord, and there is no way satan can ever get to that person or win that person back to his side of the war, tell me, Why does he most assuredly tries? i mean if a person is sealed and satan can't have him/her, why do we see that satan comes after those who accept Christ all the more? i mean if it were True that you are sealed and satan can't have that person, why doesn't satan realize that Truth? Why does he come after those he knows he can't have? Do you think he is ignorant, and does not know that they are sealed by God and he can't have them? lol, he knows the Bible better than we do.
If it were True that a person was sealed and satan could not get that person, there would absolutely be no need for satan to tempt that person to live in sins any more, would there be, i mean they are sealed and it doesn't matter if they live in sins or not because they are sealed. satan would concentrate his warfare on those who are not yet sealed, would he not? Why would he concentrate on causing those who are sealed to continue to live in sin, if it does not benefit him in the slightest?
You do error not knowing the Truth. Those who accept Jesus Christ as their Savior and Lord are the biggest threat to satan and his kingdom, that is why when a person is SAVED, satan will immediately send his minions to get that person, to tempt them to continue to live in sins, to get them hooked on sinning, to get them to believe false doctrines that permit a person to continue to live in sins and still go to Heaven.
satan knows OSAS is a lie, he is the one that came up with it, it is a brilliant strategy to get the SAVED to continue to live in sins and still think they are Heaven bound, it is a brilliant strategy to make the SAVED think they can't lose it, no matter what they do, therefore do what they want and still be Heaven bound.
Know you not there is a battle that is going to happen at the end of the thousand years when satan is released, he is trying to get as many souls as he can for that day of battle against God and His Saints. satan is not an idiot, he is not going to waste his time trying to get a soul if that soul can't be gotten. satan comes after the SAVED more than he does the unsaved, because they are unsaved, they are his already. Its the SAVED that he is after, that he comes at full speed, to get them to live in sin no matter how long, or how difficult it may be. Because SAVED or not, if satan can keep a person in living in sins, he knows that Jesus will not take them, and they will belong to satans army in the end. So what can satan do to keep people living in sins all the while think they are still going to Heaven, what can he do? Oh i know, its called OSAS. So now because of that doctrine, a person can claim to be SAVED, yet continue to live in sin and they are still OK, still SAVED, still Heaven bound, exactly where satan wants them to be. living in sins all the while thinking they are on the narrow and difficult path that leads to life everlasting, living in sins all the while thinking they are going to Heaven, living in sin all the while thinking they are SAVED. yes Brilliant strategy and sad to say, working extremely well with those in the last days generation.
i will tell you the Truth and i do not lie, if i am lying let all the diseases of the entire world come upon me and all those that i love, and i pray that in the name of Jesus Christ, that Anyone who believes Once Saved they are Always Saved are deceived and do not know the Truth but believe a lie. Behold i have warned you. Those who believe OSAS yet disregard or make void what i have just said, will one day stand before Jesus Himself and hear Jesus say "My servant DiscipleDave, told you the Truth and you rejected it, you were not like the Bereans and went and searched the Scriptures to see if what he was saying was true or not, you did not believe the Truth because the Truth is not in you" Then i am sure He will reveal to you all the other false doctrines that you held on too and were unwilling to stop believing.
i have told you the Truth, i have not told you anything that is contrary to Scriptures, only contrary to what YOU believe is the Truth, you can right now read my article on OSAS, be like the Bereans, not like the people in the last days.

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You are one spooky dude. No point in addressing most of what you wrote as it's just more of the never ending diatribe against the gospel of peace. I will leave you with this for your consideration. James 5:12....swear not....

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To the op,............
No, we "Christians" can not lose our salvation once we have been drawn to the Father through the Son
(John 6:44). We are kept by the power of God through faith (1Peter 1:5). It is impossible for a man to overcome sin without Christ and save himself (John 14:6) (Matthew 19:26). That is why God is our Savior, He saves, (Psalm 3:8, Jude 1:25 ) and He saves completely and to the uttermost all that come to Him.(Hebrews 7:25)

Job 42:2
I know that thou canst do every thing, and that no thought can be withholden from thee.

Jeremiah 32:27
Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?

Luke 1:37
For with God nothing shall be impossible.

Luke 18:27

And he said, The things which are impossible with men are possible with God.

Psalm 3:8
Salvation belongeth unto the LORD: thy blessing is upon thy people. Selah.

Acts 10:15
The voice spoke to him a second time, "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean."

Acts 10:43
To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
you are yet to explain..Ananias, and Sapphira
 
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To the op,............
No, we "Christians" can not lose our salvation once we have been drawn to the Father through the Son
(John 6:44). We are kept by the power of God through faith (1Peter 1:5). It is impossible for a man to overcome sin without Christ and save himself (John 14:6) (Matthew 19:26). That is why God is our Savior, He saves, (Psalm 3:8, Jude 1:25 ) and He saves completely and to the uttermost all that come to Him.(Hebrews 7:25)

Job 42:2
I know that thou canst do every thing, and that no thought can be withholden from thee.

Jeremiah 32:27
Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?

Luke 1:37
For with God nothing shall be impossible.

Luke 18:27

And he said, The things which are impossible with men are possible with God.

Psalm 3:8
Salvation belongeth unto the LORD: thy blessing is upon thy people. Selah.

Acts 10:15
The voice spoke to him a second time, "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean."

Acts 10:43
To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
Amen and I agree.......quite simple at the end of the day which is why most miss it...be not removed from the simplicity that is found in Christ Jesus....eternal means eternal unless you believe in works and then the definition of eternal is temporary which contradicts the very nature and characteristics of the word eternal!
 
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They died physically...no where does it imply that they died spiritually........!
they died as liars unrepentant....
Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
 
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they died as liars unrepentant....
Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
The I guess you will be cooking right along with them as the bible states that ALL MEN ARE LIARS (present tense)....so do you have sun block 10 million?
 
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you are yet to explain..Ananias, and Sapphira
I'm not here for your personal edification newbirth, nor to explain what you obviously can not see in the Word, but God calls me to peace with all men and commands us to give to any man that asks. So, i will explain it to you this once and then it's up to God to open your eyes and understanding. First off will you throw all these aforementioned verses away and count them as nothing because you think Ananias and Sapphira had the Holy Spirit and lost it? First you must prove by scripture that they had the Holy Spirit and lost it to begin with.

Just because the scriptures speak of those who enjoined themselves to the church as having one mind and all things in common like Barnabas who Ananias and Sapphira envied to be like, does not support Sapphira and Ananias as having the Holy Spirit and losing it nor does it include them in being of those Christians who had one mind. Besides the obvious fact that people with the Holy Spirit don't lie to God, if they were anointed with the Holy Spirit they would have shared their goods and money with the church to begin with like all the others had including Barnabas and that done without dispute, do you see that clearly now? That is your assumption and in doing that you stand opposed to God while you deny that God can save to the uttermost. You imply that He has lost some of His children in direct contradiction of His Word of truth.


Romans 2:6-10

Who will render to every man according to his deeds: 7To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: 8But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, 9Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 10But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: 11For there is no respect of persons with God.

Now if God's wrath and indignation comes on those who are contentious and don't obey the truth but unrighteousness how can you say Ananias and Sapphira had the Spirit of truth seeing as how they suffered indignation and wrath for lying?
 
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The I guess you will be cooking right along with them as the bible states that ALL MEN ARE LIARS (present tense)....so do you have sun block 10 million?
what is your argument...that Ananias and his wife are saved??? if that is what you believe just say so...
read scripture in context.....and read what I wrote...unrepentant....

Psalm 116:10-12King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]I believed, therefore have I spoken: I was greatly afflicted:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]I said in my haste, All men are liars.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]What shall I render unto the Lord for all his benefits toward me?
 

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what is your argument...that Ananias and his wife are saved??? if that is what you believe just say so...
read scripture in context.....and read what I wrote...unrepentant....

Psalm 116:10-12King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]I believed, therefore have I spoken: I was greatly afflicted:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]I said in my haste, All men are liars.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]What shall I render unto the Lord for all his benefits toward me?
Say what you will but only God knows with certainty. I will suggest that even in their disobedience they glorified God. They were an example to the rest of the church of the goodness and severity of God.

As they say in the old days they might have been smitten with leprosy.

For the cause of Christ
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DiscipleDave said
Do you think satan is real? that he is a real entity? Do you think him an idiot? He is called the God of this world for a reason, he is great at what he does. Tell me something, if a person is sealed from satan once they accept Jesus Christ as their Savior and Lord, and there is no way satan can ever get to that person or win that person back to his side of the war, tell me, Why does he most assuredly tries? i mean if a person is sealed and satan can't have him/her, why do we see that satan comes after those who accept Christ all the more? i mean if it were True that you are sealed and satan can't have that person, why doesn't satan realize that Truth? Why does he come after those he knows he can't have? Do you think he is ignorant, and does not know that they are sealed by God and he can't have them? lol, he knows the Bible better than we do.
If it were True that a person was sealed and satan could not get that person, there would absolutely be no need for satan to tempt that person to live in sins any more, would there be, i mean they are sealed and it doesn't matter if they live in sins or not because they are sealed. satan would concentrate his warfare on those who are not yet sealed, would he not? Why would he concentrate on causing those who are sealed to continue to live in sin, if it does not benefit him in the slightest?
You do error not knowing the Truth. Those who accept Jesus Christ as their Savior and Lord are the biggest threat to satan and his kingdom, that is why when a person is SAVED, satan will immediately send his minions to get that person, to tempt them to continue to live in sins, to get them hooked on sinning, to get them to believe false doctrines that permit a person to continue to live in sins and still go to Heaven.
satan knows OSAS is a lie, he is the one that came up with it, it is a brilliant strategy to get the SAVED to continue to live in sins and still think they are Heaven bound, it is a brilliant strategy to make the SAVED think they can't lose it, no matter what they do, therefore do what they want and still be Heaven bound.
Know you not there is a battle that is going to happen at the end of the thousand years when satan is released, he is trying to get as many souls as he can for that day of battle against God and His Saints. satan is not an idiot, he is not going to waste his time trying to get a soul if that soul can't be gotten. satan comes after the SAVED more than he does the unsaved, because they are unsaved, they are his already. Its the SAVED that he is after, that he comes at full speed, to get them to live in sin no matter how long, or how difficult it may be. Because SAVED or not, if satan can keep a person in living in sins, he knows that Jesus will not take them, and they will belong to satans army in the end. So what can satan do to keep people living in sins all the while think they are still going to Heaven, what can he do? Oh i know, its called OSAS. So now because of that doctrine, a person can claim to be SAVED, yet continue to live in sin and they are still OK, still SAVED, still Heaven bound, exactly where satan wants them to be. living in sins all the while thinking they are on the narrow and difficult path that leads to life everlasting, living in sins all the while thinking they are going to Heaven, living in sin all the while thinking they are SAVED. yes Brilliant strategy and sad to say, working extremely well with those in the last days generation.
i will tell you the Truth and i do not lie, if i am lying let all the diseases of the entire world come upon me and all those that i love, and i pray that in the name of Jesus Christ, that Anyone who believes Once Saved they are Always Saved are deceived and do not know the Truth but believe a lie. Behold i have warned you. Those who believe OSAS yet disregard or make void what i have just said, will one day stand before Jesus Himself and hear Jesus say "My servant DiscipleDave, told you the Truth and you rejected it, you were not like the Bereans and went and searched the Scriptures to see if what he was saying was true or not, you did not believe the Truth because the Truth is not in you" Then i am sure He will reveal to you all the other false doctrines that you held on too and were unwilling to stop believing.
i have told you the Truth, i have not told you anything that is contrary to Scriptures, only contrary to what YOU believe is the Truth, you can right now read my article on OSAS, be like the Bereans, not like the people in the last days.
You are one spooky dude. No point in addressing most of what you wrote as it's just more of the never ending diatribe against the gospel of peace. I will leave you with this for your consideration. James 5:12....swear not....

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Yes i figured as much. Care to reveal one Scripture which teaches otherwise, just one would be sufficient. If than you can't even point out one Scripture that is contrary to anything that i have said above, than we can deduce you disagree, not based on what Scriptures teach, but based on what you THINK the Truth is, your opinion contradicts what i have said above, but Scriptures do not contradict. If i said something that is untrue, then show the Scriptures that prove i have said something untrue.
God will reveal to whom God will reveal.

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I'm not here for your personal edification newbirth, nor to explain what you obviously can not see in the Word, but God calls me to peace with all men and commands us to give to any man that asks. So, i will explain it to you this once and then it's up to God to open your eyes and understanding. First off will you throw all these aforementioned verses away and count them as nothing because you think Ananias and Sapphira had the Holy Spirit and lost it? First you must prove by scripture that they had the Holy Spirit and lost it to begin with.

Just because the scriptures speak of those who enjoined themselves to the church as having one mind and all things in common like Barnabas who Ananias and Sapphira envied to be like, does not support Sapphira and Ananias as having the Holy Spirit and losing it nor does it include them in being of those Christians who had one mind. Besides the obvious fact that people with the Holy Spirit don't lie to God, if they were anointed with the Holy Spirit they would have shared their goods and money with the church to begin with like all the others had including Barnabas and that done without dispute, do you see that clearly now? That is your assumption and in doing that you stand opposed to God while you deny that God can save to the uttermost. You imply that He has lost some of His children in direct contradiction of His Word of truth.


Romans 2:6-10

Who will render to every man according to his deeds: 7To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: 8But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, 9Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 10But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: 11For there is no respect of persons with God.

Now if God's wrath and indignation comes on those who are contentious and don't obey the truth but unrighteousness how can you say Ananias and Sapphira had the Spirit of truth seeing as how they suffered indignation and wrath for lying?
If they did not have the truth.... then you could not accuse them of disobeying the truth...it is clear ....they did not obey the spirit of truth... If they not a part of the church ...why would it bring fear to the church what had happen to them??? I don't see your point...that you do not believe they were members of the body that were cut off...that God is cool with sin ....because you and others does not fear because of what had happen to them...

Acts 5:10-11King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And great fear came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things.


 
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If they did not have the truth.... then you could not accuse them of disobeying the truth...it is clear ....they did not obey the spirit of truth... If they not a part of the church ...why would it bring fear to the church what had happen to them??? I don't see your point...that you do not believe they were members of the body that were cut off...that God is cool with sin ....because you and others does not fear because of what had happen to them...

Acts 5:10-11King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And great fear came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things.
What you say here is gibberish. Can you prove with scripture that Ananias and Sapphira had received the Holy Spirit, (The Spirit of truth John 16:13) and then lost it? Losing their salvation is what you implied when you brought it up, so lets see proof in scripture not gibberish k?

Acts 5:13-14
And of the rest durst no man join himself to them: but the people magnified them. 14And believers were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women.)
 
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If they did not have the truth.... then you could not accuse them of disobeying the truth...it is clear ....they did not obey the spirit of truth... If they not a part of the church ...why would it bring fear to the church what had happen to them??? I don't see your point...that you do not believe they were members of the body that were cut off...that God is cool with sin ....because you and others does not fear because of what had happen to them...

Acts 5:10-11King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And great fear came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things.
They were both SAVED, we know this because they accepted the teachings of Jesus Christ and believed as the others did, they also sold all their possessions just like all the other SAVED people did as well. What people in this generation fail to understand is how serious sinning is. Today people sin every day, and many times during a single day all the while proclaiming to be SAVED followers of Jesus Christ, they are deceived and know not the Truth. Because of one sin King David lost his firstborn son, even after begging for forgiveness. Adam and Eve committed one sin and were cast out of the Garden of Eden forever, never to return to it. Moses committed one sin and was not allowed to enter into the Promise Land that he spent his whole life trying to get too. And even in the New Testaments AFTER Jesus Christ was gone to be with His Father in Heaven, Ananias and Sapphira commit one sin of lying and both straightway fell dead. Strange they were not given the opportunity to repent and not die. But this was done for our benefit, to help us to realize the seriousness of living in sins. But this generation loves to sin, and makes all kinds of excuses as to NOT have to cease from them. Jesus told a man and a woman to "Go and sin no more" But what does this generation teach, that it is not possible to "Go and sin no more", Therefore did Jesus just ask them to do something that is impossible to do? God forbid. A man was crippled for over 38 years, and Jesus heals him and says to this man "Go and sin no more, lest a worse thing happen to you" WOW are you kidding me, worse than 38 years being crippled, i assure you this man probably did not commit another sin again. Even the New Testament over and over again teaches us to "Awake to righteousness and sin not" Woe to this generation indeed, for who in it, does not love to sin? Those who knowingly and willingly commit sin, i assure you love to commit that sin. for who commits a sin that they did not want to do, if it is done knowingly and willingly? This generation says with their mouths "I am SAVED, I am a follower of Jesus Christ" yet you see the same person knowingly and willingly obeying Jesus' enemy the devil and committing sins, which are against Jesus Christ. They say "whoever denies Jesus Christ is not SAVED" yet do not realize when they knowingly and willingly commit sin, they are indeed denying Christ. The devil comes to you tempting you to commit sin. Jesus comes to you via the Holy Ghost and tells you "no don't do it, it is sinful, it is against God" You deny Him, when you obey satan and commit the sin. This is why it is written you can't have two masters, and also written your master is to whom you obey. This generation says with thier tongues "Jesus is my Master" yet they obey satan and commit sin. Decieved they are, not knowing the Truth. What does Scriptures teach about those who can't cease from sin? They are cursed children. Truthfully they are not cursed because they can't cease from sin, they are cursed because they think they can't cease from sin, therefore don't even try. Why try to do something you know you can't do? Those who think it is possible, know that all things are possible to them that know God, they know that Jesus and the Holy Ghost will help them to achieve what this world says is impossible. and if you can believe it as a testimony from me, i know that it is possible, because i live it. i do nothing at all to displease my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, He and He only is my Master, i do not obey satan in anything at all. How can i do this? i can't do it by and through my own efforts or my own strength, i do this because i look to Him to help me with every temptation that satan throws at me, He is my Strength against him, He helps me to overcome the wiles of the devil. i have learned to hate sin, to abhor sinning, i want to do all things to please Him whom i serve. why on Earth would i obey His enemy the devil and commit a sin? i love Jesus with my whole life. i have given up my life and the sins of this world to serve Him and only Him, i have no life, my life is to serve Him, i am His slave, His servant, i commit no sin that displeases Him, why would i upset my Master and Lord Jesus Christ. If you will hear it, this is the narrow and difficult path that leads to life everlasting, this is the path that Many will not find, nor believe is possible to walk on. it is, and it is not easy, and it is very narrow. But those who think it is impossible WILL NEVER find it, because they can't walk on water, that is to say, they don't think they can do that which is impossible to do. All things are possible to them that KNOW God.

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Do you think satan is real? that he is a real entity? Do you think him an idiot? He is called the God of this world for a reason, he is great at what he does.

^i^
It was probably just an oversight but:

  1. Satan is not a God, therefore not the God of this world. He is the prince of this world, a fallen angel. Matthew 4:2, Mark 1:13, Luke 4:2

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It was probably just an oversight but:

  1. Satan is not a God, therefore not the God of this world. He is the prince of this world, a fallen angel. Matthew 4:2, Mark 1:13, Luke 4:2

:cool:
I gave the wrong scripture above. Should have been:

John 12:31
Now is the time for judgment on this world; now the prince of this world will be driven out.In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations


John 14:30
I will not say much more to you, for the prince of this world is coming. He has no hold over me,In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations


John 16:11
and about judgment, because the prince of this world now stands condemned.
 
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I gave the wrong scripture above. Should have been:

John 12:31
Now is the time for judgment on this world; now the prince of this world will be driven out.In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations


John 14:30
I will not say much more to you, for the prince of this world is coming. He has no hold over me,In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations


John 16:11
and about judgment, because the prince of this world now stands condemned.
yep...the Greek word is "archón".

means ruler, or chief. one who has influence.

nice catch! :)
 

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Do you think satan is real? that he is a real entity? Do you think him an idiot? He is called the God of this world for a reason, he is great at what he does.

^i^
It was probably just an oversight but:

  1. Satan is not a God, therefore not the God of this world. He is the prince of this world, a fallen angel. Matthew 4:2, Mark 1:13, Luke 4:2

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You say satan is not the god of this world, The inspired Word of God says that he is the god of this world

II Cor 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

So tell me, should i believe you who says it is an oversight, or believe the Word of God which teaches he is the god of this world?

how is satan not a god? Is it not written ye are gods

John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

psalms 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

Isaiah 41:23
Show the things that are to come hereafter, that we may know that ye are gods: yea, do good, or do evil, that we may be dismayed, and behold it together.


if we are gods, because we are offspring of God Himself (ie children) how is satan not a god as well, being one that was before us, being that he was in Heaven and was special in that he was chosen to be in the presence of the Father and His Throne. And satan is immortal and can't die or be killed, in the end he shall be cast into the lake of fire for ever and ever, he will be there forever and ever because he is a god and can't die or be killed. God made our spirits that way, to be immortal like He is.

The spirit that is in you can't die, the spirit that is in you is immortal, it is a god, because that spirit is of God, was created by God and came from God. Any spirit that is immortal is a god. Even though there are many gods and many lords, we are to believe in ONE God and ONE Lord for our Salvation, even though there are many gods. satan is a god and he is the god of this world as the Scriptures Truthfully teaches, for it is his time for his reign on the Earth, that reign will cease when he is locked up for a thousand years (God's Sabbath Day)
But make no mistake, satan is the god of this world exactly as Scriptures says he is. To say otherwise is to think contrary to what the Word of God says and teaches.

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What you say here is gibberish. Can you prove with scripture that Ananias and Sapphira had received the Holy Spirit, (The Spirit of truth John 16:13) and then lost it? Losing their salvation is what you implied when you brought it up, so lets see proof in scripture not gibberish k?

Acts 5:13-14
And of the rest durst no man join himself to them: but the people magnified them. 14And believers were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women.)
you seek from me proof from scripture that they received the HS......even if I wanted to I cannot prove with scripture that you have received the HS ...but you believe they were never saved to begin with....The unsaved does not have that relationship with God...to lie to the HS....you are assuming they were not a part of them that believed...were of one heart and of one soul...Hence Peter said.....[SUP]3 [/SUP]But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?....it is evident they were members of the body....he was no stranger coming of the street...Peter knew the man and his wife by name ...probably baptised them too...if not...then we can conclude God only gives certain people the HS...they were tempted and allowed satan to get the better of them....if they were not saved why would great fear come upon the church??? God killed an unsaved person for lying does not make a headline...because unsaved people lie and God will ultimately destroy all the unsaved...but when God kills one who was a believer for lying....all believers tremble with fear wondering who will be next... [SUP]



32 [/SUP]And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.

[SUP]33 [/SUP]And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
[SUP]34 [/SUP]Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
[SUP]35 [/SUP]And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.
[SUP]36 [/SUP]And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus,
[SUP]37 [/SUP]Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles' feet.