Can deity die?

[cjordan38]

If Jesus is God and He is then He can and must be in both places at the same time. God's habitation is eternity as in all of eternity all the time, past and future without end.

Surely Jonah was dead and God gave him life again. The hard headed little Jew still was angry that God spared Nineveh.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

You must remember God the Father was in Heaven and God the Son was naturally dead and his spirit went to the lower parts for 3 days. Same God but diffrent forms. The Son and Spirit still must come subject to the Father.

 

[notuptome]

You must remember God the Father was in Heaven and God the Son was naturally dead and his spirit went to the lower parts for 3 days. Same God but diffrent forms. The Son and Spirit still must come subject to the Father.

God by His nature is omnipresent.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[iamsoandso]

Strong's Number 3857 Greek Dictionary of the New Testament Online Bible with Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, Thayer's Lexicon, Etymology, Translations Definitions Meanings & Key Word Studies - Lexiconcordance.com

 

[john832]

Strong's Number 3857 Greek Dictionary of the New Testament Online Bible with Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, Thayer's Lexicon, Etymology, Translations Definitions Meanings & Key Word Studies - Lexiconcordance.com

All well and good but Paul says it is the third heaven...

2Co 12:1 It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord.
2Co 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven.
2Co 12:3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth
2Co 12:4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

 

[cjordan38]

True he is. Thats why his name is God and he is the head. Theynstill kust come subject to him.

 

[NWL]

Are these the same witless scholars who insist upon putting the indefinite article before theos in the last clause of John 1:1 or the same ones who translate Theos in Heb. 1:8 as the subject rather than a predicate? If this is the kind of scholarship on which you are relying, you definitely need to trade up.

I just double checked on some of the verses, and you are mistaken, the translations do not say Jesus is "a god" in John 1:1, please stop presuming things and treating it as fact, very dishonest of you.

Then this means you are without excuse because you should know better.

To the contrary. No scholar would bet their life on that the comma should be placed in front of of today in Luke 23, stop treating it as ultimate undeniable truth, it's a debated verse for a reason.

If you knew any Greek at all you should know that Hell or lake of fire and Hades are not from the same word and do not refer to the same place. Look at Rev. 20:14.

When have I denied Hell is a different place to the lake of fire, the only claim I've made is that nowhere in scripture is Paradise linked to or compared to either of those two places.

But according to you it is, so stop stalling and show me the verse, or are you going to admit to me Paradise is not linked with Hell or Gehenna in scripture? The only thing that's stopping you my friend is your pride.

Hope to hear back from you.

 

[cjordan38]

Jesus and the father are the only 2 in heaven plus the angels.

 

[iamsoandso]

All well and good but Paul says it is the third heaven...

2Co 12:1 It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord.
2Co 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven.
2Co 12:3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth
2Co 12:4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

gen.2;8 adam was created from the dust of the earth and then put in pardes gan(Hebrew) H1588 גּן - Strong's Hebrew Lexicon ,,,,so he was created in earth,then put in the garden(third heaven) and dwelt there untill he was punnished for eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge,,,then he was driven out of the garden/third heaven and back into the earth(gen.3;23-24),,the woman(not yet named eve) was made while in the 3rd heaven 7th day(gen.2;22) and Adam was made on earth 6th day,,,

 

[oldhermit]

I just double checked on some of the verses, and you are mistaken, the translations do not say Jesus is "a god" in John 1:1, please stop presuming things and treating it as fact, very dishonest of you.

I merely asked you IF these were the same ones. I notice you did not answer regarding Heb. 1:8. Since I do not have access to these translations and indeed have never even heard of them, perhaps you can tell me how they translate that text. At any rate it still does not justify their misrepresentation of John 23:43.

To the contrary. No scholar would bet their life on that the comma should be placed in front of of today in Luke 23, stop treating it as ultimate undeniable truth, it's a debated verse for a reason.

Then you should not mind getting an opinion from those on the B-Greek site.

But according to you it is, so stop stalling and show me the verse, or are you going to admit to me Paradise is not linked with Hell or Gehenna in scripture? The only thing that's stopping you my friend is your pride.

I never claimed that hell or γέενναν was in any way linked to the word Paradise.

 

[RuthHannah]

I just double checked on some of the verses, and you are mistaken, the translations do not say Jesus is "a god" in John 1:1, please stop presuming things and treating it as fact, very dishonest of you.

To the contrary. No scholar would bet their life on that the comma should be placed in front of of today in Luke 23, stop treating it as ultimate undeniable truth, it's a debated verse for a reason.

When have I denied Hell is a different place to the lake of fire, the only claim I've made is that nowhere in scripture is Paradise linked to or compared to either of those two places.

But according to you it is, so stop stalling and show me the verse, or are you going to admit to me Paradise is not linked with Hell or Gehenna in scripture? The only thing that's stopping you my friend is your pride.

Hope to hear back from you.

What is the indefinite article ?

 

[RuthHannah]

You must remember God the Father was in Heaven and God the Son was naturally dead and his spirit went to the lower parts for 3 days. Same God but diffrent forms. The Son and Spirit still must come subject to the Father.

Jesus spirit went to God in heaven

 

[RuthHannah]

so God was dead in the ground for three days?
that makes a lot of sense

i thought Jesus was in the grave just like Jonah was in the belly of the whale for three days?
was Jonah dead in the belly of the whale?

the bible says Jesus died so he died if
He went into the earth alive then our salvation is in trouble

 

[oldhermit]

What is the indefinite article ?

There isn't one. I mentioned this to see if there was any connection between the creators of the translation he mentioned and the NWT. The NWT insists upon the indefinite article in the last clause of John 1:1.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

There are some it seems who think Jesus did not really die. . . .

God raised Jesus from the dead - In order to be saved we must confess Jesus as Lord and believe in our hearts that God raised him from the dead. . .Romans 10:9,10

If Jesus Christ did not die then the following are null and void . . . And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have preeminence. Colossians 1:18

For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures. But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 1 Cor. 15:3, 20-23

 

[NWL]

I merely asked you IF these were the same ones. I notice you did not answer regarding Heb. 1:8. Since I do not have access to these translations and indeed have never even heard of them, perhaps you can tell me how they translate that text. At any rate it still does not justify their misrepresentation of John 23:43.

The Concordant Literal New Testament is a translation - CLNT Intro

(Hebrews 1:8) "...Yet to the Son: "Thy throne, O God, is for the eon of the eon, And a scepter of rectitude is the scepter of Thy kingdom..."

(John 1:1) "...In the beginning was the word, and the word was toward God, and God was the word..."

Lamsa Translaton - Dr. George Lamsa Bible New Testament

(John 1:1) "...THE Word was in the beginning, and that very Word was with God, and God was the Word..."

(Hebrews 1:8) "...But of the Son he said, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever..."

Then you should not mind getting an opinion from those on the B-Greek site.

Re-read what I said. I have no interest, what difference does it make, I have translations in front of me and online that read it both ways, speaking to online scholars would hardly make a difference when I read commentaries all the time. Its down to me to pick which one fits more in line with the Bible in its entirety, and from a contextual viewpoint there is no other way fro it to be translated, I don't need their help with this verse I understand the Greek and grammar of the verse and its context.

I never claimed that hell or γέενναν was in any way linked to the word Paradise.

You've done just that.

Paradise is the hadian or unseen realm where the souls of men await the resurrection.

You then said

The word ᾅδης literally means "to not see" thus, the realm of the unseen.

I linked the first quote with your second quote, if I'm mistaken in my accusation then please show me with scripture where it talks about this abode, it being called γέενναν, and people being sent their awaiting the resurrection instead.

Can you do that for me oldhermit?

 

[RuthHannah]

There isn't one. I mentioned this to see if there was any connection between the creators of the translation he mentioned and the NWT. The NWT insists upon the indefinite article in the last clause of John 1:1.

What is Nwl doing about this , should have a valid factual answer for this article thing

it is serious because their translation is not consistant throughout

i wonde if they are hiding something

 

[RuthHannah]

There are some it seems who think Jesus did not really die. . . .

God raised Jesus from the dead - In order to be saved we must confess Jesus as Lord and believe in our hearts that God raised him from the dead. . .Romans 10:9,10

If Jesus Christ did not die then the following are null and void . . . And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have preeminence. Colossians 1:18

For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures. But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 1 Cor. 15:3, 20-23

it looks like they are telling God He lied becaus ehe raise an alive person

 

[oldhermit]

The Concordant Literal New Testament is a translation - CLNT Intro

(Hebrews 1:8) "...Yet to the Son: "Thy throne, O God, is for the eon of the eon, And a scepter of rectitude is the scepter of Thy kingdom..."

Very good.

(John 1:1) "...In the beginning was the word, and the word was toward God, and God was the word..."

Lamsa Translaton -

]Dr. George Lamsa Bible New Testament

(John 1:1) "...THE Word was in the beginning, and that very Word was with God, and God was the Word..."

This is incorrect. While it does present the correct understanding that the Greek gives it reverses the syntax of the words "God" and "Word." In the Greek, "God" is the predicate and "Word" is the subject thus, "The Word was God."

(Hebrews 1:8) "...But of the Son he said, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever..."

This is correct.

Re-read what I said. I have no interest, what difference does it make, I have translations in front of me and online that read it both ways, speaking to online scholars would hardly make a difference when I read commentaries all the time. Its down to me to pick which one fits more in line with the Bible in its entirety, and from a contextual viewpoint there is no other way fro it to be translated, I don't need their help with this verse I understand the Greek and grammar of the verse and its context. You've done just that. You then said
I linked the first quote with your second quote, if I'm mistaken in my accusation then please show me with scripture where it talks about this abode, it being called γέενναν, and people being sent their awaiting the resurrection instead.

Can you do that for me oldhermit?

You have an incorrect conception of both hades and geennan. Perhaps he need to address this on another thread so that we do not hijack this one..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

it looks like they are telling God He lied becaus ehe raise an alive person

lol, It is obvious you do not understand the difference between spiritual life and physical life.

Was jesus not aive before he entered the baby at birth? Was he not alive in the OT. Was he not alive when he helped tyhe father create the heavens and earth and created man in his image.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

the bible says Jesus died so he died if
He went into the earth alive then our salvation is in trouble

Why is it in trouble?

Jesus died spiritually while he hung on the cross. Before he commited his spirit to the father.

It was his spiritual death that saved us, The plan of salvation was FINISHED before he died physically.