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Can you be out of Fellowship with God and still be Saved?


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Jackson123

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Honestly this topic is not easy.

There is a verse that if you not bear the fruit will be cut off and thrown in to fire/hell.

Is sin always mean not bear fruit?

Before we die, do we have to sin free in order to go to heaven?

I am a sinner and still is. I try to be sin free but fail.

In other hand, I don't believe if professional killer/kill as a daily job is save.

There must be repent/change in habit to be save. but, in my opinion, we not perfect till we go to heaven.
 
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psalm6819

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Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

not what we do what He does

But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held ; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter

oldness of the letter before Jesus, newness of the Spirit after Jesus fulfilled the letter

I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

God knows our heart, that we want to do His will, He knows the spirit is willing but the flesh weak

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death
These verses are out of Romans 7 & 8

God does not expect us to be perfect - He is faithful- He is just-Jesus was punished for our sin, God doesn't throw us out when we transgress, the Holy Spirit points out what is not pleasing to God movitated by our love we change because we love Him.
 
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When is a persons name written in the book of life?
The very day that you confessed with your tongue and believed in your heart that Christ was raised up.

That very day, angels rejoiced in Heaven over you!

They all had a really big party with streamers and balloons as far as the eye could see and they all had your name on them.

Your name was written in the book of life BEFORE the earth and the universe even existed!
 
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kennethcadwell

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Rudimental;1851612[SIZE=4 said:
]I can't help to sin Dave. Sin has control over the flesh.
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We are prisoners to sin.

God already knows this!

Even after people confess Christ and become born again believer. They will still continue to sin!

Whether its consciously or subconsciously.

Romans 7:24 Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from the body of this death?

but I see a different law in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members. Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from the body of this death? Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin.


This is why Christ had to come to earth and die for our sins. Not just the sins we had already committed. But for the sins we are yet to commit as well!

So we can have a NEW body. A sinless body. A perfect body. A spiritual incorruptible body.

I had to respond to that first sentence of yours, because the bible states that if you believe sin has control over you then you are not saved. For then sin would be your master, and not the Lord. Paul warns about this;

Romans 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?


If you are still giving into your sins, and not letting the Holy Spirit guide you and make you stronger in the areas you are still weak in when it comes to sins. Then you need to go in prayer to God in the Lord's name and ask for more strength. Paul in chapter 7 is talking about how he was as a new born again believer, warning with his members of his body to put off sin, now that he is walking in the spirit.....
 
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Honestly this topic is not easy.

There is a verse that if you not bear the fruit will be cut off and thrown in to fire/hell.

Is sin always mean not bear fruit?

Before we die, do we have to sin free in order to go to heaven?

I am a sinner and still is. I try to be sin free but fail.

In other hand, I don't believe if professional killer/kill as a daily job is save.

There must be repent/change in habit to be save. but, in my opinion, we not perfect till we go to heaven.


Actually the topic is simple, as the simplicity is in Christ.

Here is a little project you can do;
Take a piece of paper and on one side right down all your sins that you can think of......................

Then go in prayer and ask forgiveness of those sins, and repent of them ( change of mind leading you to not walk in them any more )

Now turn the peace of paper over, and that blank side is what the Lord then sees.
As your sins have been forgiven and covered, by your acknowledgment, forgiveness, and need of a Savior and the Holy Spirit that will help you to get stronger where you are weak....
 
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The very day that you confessed with your tongue and believed in your heart that Christ was raised up.

That very day, angels rejoiced in Heaven over you!

They all had a really big party with streamers and balloons as far as the eye could see and they all had your name on them.

Your name was written in the book of life BEFORE the earth and the universe even existed!
I agree it was written in the book BEFORE the creation existed, but is everyone's name written in that book and then some blotted out later. Case in point, aborted children or children who die at a very young age, is their name written in the book? Just asking, because I don't know.
 
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God does not expect us to be perfect - He is faithful- He is just-Jesus was punished for our sin, God doesn't throw us out when we transgress, the Holy Spirit points out what is not pleasing to God movitated by our love we change because we love Him.
Beautiful! Very good point made!

2 Corinthians 7:10 Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death.

When we sin, the Holy Spirit convicts us through those horrible, dreadful guilty "feelings" we have. This leads us to repentance which leads to salvation and leaves behind zero trace or regret, guilt or shame. But the worldly sorrow only brings shame and regret and it never leaves you. Only sins confessed to God can you truly be free of both in terms of the punishment and those dreadful feelings they leave behind.

When we sin, God needs to punish that. That is just a given! But the Holy Spirit stands up and says wait, Jesus has already paid the price for that mans sin. Go free my friend, praise God and try to sin no more. But if you do (and I know you will). Feel free to quote 1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness and do it to receive that forgiveness as many times as is needed.

And how many times should you forgive your brother if he keeps doing the same sin against you?

Jesus' answer was seventy times seven right? I think His point was, as many times as he sins, thats how many times you shall forgive him for each time he confesses that sin to you.

Same with God for us.
 
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psalm6819

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As for the point I am driving at with having fellowship with God = Salvation: Well, this is important to understand because people think they can break fellowship with God because of their sin and still be saved. This is a false teaching. Salvation or eternal life can only be found in the Son (1 John 5:12) (John 17:3); For Christ alone possesses immortality (1 Timothy 6:16); And those who do not have the Spirit of Christ do not belong to Him (Romans 8:9).
God still walked in the garden of Eden after Adam and Eve sinned doesn't sound like "out of fellowship" instead even knowing that they disobeyed God still sought them out and provided covering by the death of the innocent animals (symbolic/type of Jesus)

Were they out of God's will? YES Did He desert them? NO

Please explain in your opinion what the difference between the letter of the law and the Spirit of the law is
 
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I agree it was written in the book BEFORE the creation existed, but is everyone's name written in that book and then some blotted out later. Case in point, aborted children or children who die at a very young age, is their name written in the book? Just asking, because I don't know.
2 samuel 12:23
But now he is dead , wherefore should I fast ? can I bring him back again ? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.

When the child of David and Bathsheba died David stopped mourning, washed his face-he said he would see the child in heaven.
 
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2 samuel 12:23
But now he is dead , wherefore should I fast ? can I bring him back again ? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.

When the child of David and Bathsheba died David stopped mourning, washed his face-he said he would see the child in heaven.
Thanks psalm6819, I love that verse! I guess we can say that the child's name was written in the book without ever having the choice to accept or reject Christ. I don't mean that in a bad way, I mean he entered heaven by the blood of Jesus but he never got the chance to make a choice.
 
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Can any man have the witness of the Spirit that they are a child of God and not have the assurance of inheriting the kingdom of God?

In the original manuscripts concerning Romans 8:1 the phrase 'who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit' is absent from the text. The only reason it was added was because of verse 4. Rom 8:1 is a continuation of chapter 7 and by translation could say only two words, 'NO CONDEMNATION'. Because of what was added many have made 'NO CONDEMNATION' conditional and that contradicts the understanding we have been given in chapter 7 and the answer to verse 24. Paul thanked God through Jesus Christ (and the work of the cross) and expressed with great delight with exclamation that the things he described was happening to him, no matter how difficult they may be to understand, that there was 'NO CONDEMNATION' in any of it.
You mean the Greek text that Westcott and Hort used to make their own faulty incomplete and twisted Greek translation (Which by most Modern Translations are based off of)? They only went with that text because it was older. But older does not mean it is better. Anyways, just research Westcott and Hort. They were not even believers. Yes, I use Modern Translations because they are helpful in updating the Old English in the KJV. But my final word of authority is the KJV and the Greek from the TR. However, you are looking at the corrupt vine of manuscripts and not the TR (Textus Receptus) by which the KJV was translated from (i.e. the good vine). I say this because you can see many corruptions in the Modern Translations which are primarily based off the Westcott and Hort Greek.

Besides, that is not the onlly verse in the Bible that says the same thing (As you just pointed out). John 3:19-21 condemns you. Those who do not come to the Light are those who love the darkness of their own evil deeds. 1 John 1:6 says those who say they have fellowship with him and walk in darkness lie and do not the truth. 1 John 1:7 says, if we walk in the Light as He is in the Light the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin. This is why when you sin, you must confess of that sin (1 John 2:1) (1 John 1:9), instead of saying you have no sin (1 John 1:8). For you erroneously believe all your future sin is forgiven and gone and taken care of in Christ (Which goes against the teaching in the Bible).

But the Scriptures say not walking after the Spirit and committing horrible sins elsewhere will cause you not to inherit the Kingdom of God.

"This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts." (Galatians 5:16-24)

Paul is referring to his experience as a pre-Christian Jew trying to obey the Law.

#1. Paul is repeating a point He made in chapter 5.
For there was no such thing as chapter breaks in the Bible. They were added later. Anyways, to understand chapter 7, you have to know what was going on in chapter 5.

In Romans chapter 5 we learn, "For by one man sin entered the world and by one man many shall be justified."

Now, under the Mosaic Law there was an accounting and those under that Law had to bring their sacrifices accordingly. Prior to the Mosaic law, the Patriarchs offered sacrifices to God, but not as a result of particular sins–not because God said to them if you do such and such sin then you have to offer such and such sacrifices. The sacrifices of the Patriarchs were offered based upon faith, not law. Which explains the context of Romans 5:13.

For sin was no doubt in the world prior to the law and so was transgression, hence there had to be some kind of law. For obviously Paul does not contradict himself here. He says that sin was not accounted until the law came. The point is that there was no law from God to this point that had been codified, that is, placed into written form. Before the Law of Moses, sin was not imputed because there was no written Law to transgress. Then how was sin imputed to those living before the written Law? Well, sin was imputed to those living before the Law because the "death of sin" was passed down to them thru Adam's disobedience (Romans 5:12, 14, 17, 18,19). Those living before the Law, were exclusively justified by faith and those who did not live by faith were condemned. In other words, the Old Testament saint living before the Law was justified by following Romans 8:1. Yes, they did not know who Christ was yet or this passage, but the Spirit of Christ was in fact within the prophets, though (1 Peter 1:10, 11).



This point of the Law in Romans 5 is made in Romans chapter 7. Compare Romans 7:8-10 with Romans 5:12-14 and Romans 5:20.

#2. This passage is an answer to the question “Did that which was good [the Law], then, become death to me?” (Romans 7:13) Paul is not primarily interested here in discussing anyone's struggle with sin. He is explaining how the Old Testament Law – good in itself – was used by sin to bring death to pre-Christians.

#3. Paul knows that Christians struggle with sin; after all, many of his letters are written to help churches deal with sin. But he discusses the Christian struggle with sin in the next chapter (Romans 8:10-14). His conclusions about the struggle there do not seem to me to be consistent if chapter 7 is also about the Christian struggle with sin.

#4. Paul’s only positive description of the “me” in this passage is elsewhere applied to Jews, not Christians. “I agree with the Law, that the Law is good” (Romans 7:16) and “I delight in the law of God in my inner man” (Romans 7:22). But this is more in line with Paul’s description of Jews: “If you call yourself a Jew and rely on the Law” (Romans 2:17). In Romans, Christians have “died to the Law” (Romans 7:4) and thus “delight in the Law” is not most naturally applied to Christians.

#5. Paul’s negative descriptions of the “me” in the passage are elsewhere applied to pre-Christians, not Christians.

“I am fleshly, sold into bondage to sin” (Romans 7:14). Compare to “we were in the flesh” (Romans 7:5); “we were freed from sin” (Romans 6:18); “we were slaves to sin” (Romans 6:20); and “you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit” (Romans 8:9).​
“But I see another law… making me a prisoner of the law of sin” (Romans 7:23). Compare to “but now, freed from sin and enslaved to God” (Romans 6:22); and “the law of the Spirit of life has set you free from the law of sin and death” (Romans 8:2).​
If Paul says that Christian are no longer in the flesh and are no longer slaves or prisoners of sin, then it seems to make the most sense to say that he is talking about pre-Christian experience here in Romans 7:14-25.​
 
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I had to respond to that first sentence of yours, because the bible states that if you believe sin has control over you then you are not saved. For then sin would be your master, and not the Lord. Paul warns about this;

Romans 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

If you are still giving into your sins, and not letting the Holy Spirit guide you and make you stronger in the areas you are still weak in when it comes to sins. Then you need to go in prayer to God in the Lord's name and ask for more strength. Paul in chapter 7 is talking about how he was as a new born again believer, warning with his members of his body to put off sin, now that he is walking in the spirit.....
I am going to give this scenario . . . Please do not come back with anything regarding forgiveness at this point. I am trying to understand if people actually believe that God takes away the Spirit that has been "born" in us when we sin.

So, I am born again of the Spirit. That is my salvation. . . Now I begin my walk as a Christian . . . I am going along and oops I tell a lie - so now I am a SERVANT to SIN? - I have lost my salvation. God took his Spirit from me?

Just answer the above questions, please.
 
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You mean the Greek text that Westcott and Hort used to make their own faulty incomplete and twisted Greek translation (Which by most Modern Translations are based off of)? They only went with that text because it was older. But older does not mean it is better. Anyways, just research Westcott and Hort. They were not even believers. Yes, I use Modern Translations because they are helpful in updating the Old English in the KJV. But my final word of authority is the KJV and the Greek from the TR. However, you are looking at the corrupt vine of manuscripts and not the TR (Textus Receptus) by which the KJV was translated from (i.e. the good vine). I say this because you can see many corruptions in the Modern Translations which are primarily based off the Westcott and Hort Greek.

Besides, that is not the onlly verse in the Bible that says the same thing (As you just pointed out). John 3:19-21 condemns you. Those who do not come to the Light are those who love the darkness of their own evil deeds. 1 John 1:6 says those who say they have fellowship with him and walk in darkness lie and do not the truth. 1 John 1:7 says, if we walk in the Light as He is in the Light the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin. This is why when you sin, you must confess of that sin (1 John 2:1) (1 John 1:9), instead of saying you have no sin (1 John 1:8). For you erroneously believe all your future sin is forgiven and gone and taken care of in Christ (Which goes against the teaching in the Bible).

But the Scriptures say not walking after the Spirit and committing horrible sins elsewhere will cause you not to inherit the Kingdom of God.

"This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts." (Galatians 5:16-24)

Paul is referring to his experience as a pre-Christian Jew trying to obey the Law.

#1. Paul is repeating a point He made in chapter 5.
For there was no such thing as chapter breaks in the Bible. They were added later. Anyways, to understand chapter 7, you have to know what was going on in chapter 5.

In Romans chapter 5 we learn, "For by one man sin entered the world and by one man many shall be justified."

Now, under the Mosaic Law there was an accounting and those under that Law had to bring their sacrifices accordingly. Prior to the Mosaic law, the Patriarchs offered sacrifices to God, but not as a result of particular sins–not because God said to them if you do such and such sin then you have to offer such and such sacrifices. The sacrifices of the Patriarchs were offered based upon faith, not law. Which explains the context of Romans 5:13.

For sin was no doubt in the world prior to the law and so was transgression, hence there had to be some kind of law. For obviously Paul does not contradict himself here. He says that sin was not accounted until the law came. The point is that there was no law from God to this point that had been codified, that is, placed into written form. Before the Law of Moses, sin was not imputed because there was no written Law to transgress. Then how was sin imputed to those living before the written Law? Well, sin was imputed to those living before the Law because the "death of sin" was passed down to them thru Adam's disobedience (Romans 5:12, 14, 17, 18,19). Those living before the Law, were exclusively justified by faith and those who did not live by faith were condemned. In other words, the Old Testament saint living before the Law was justified by following Romans 8:1. Yes, they did not know who Christ was yet or this passage, but the Spirit of Christ was in fact within the prophets, though (1 Peter 1:10, 11).



This point of the Law in Romans 5 is made in Romans chapter 7. Compare Romans 7:8-10 with Romans 5:12-14 and Romans 5:20.

#2. This passage is an answer to the question “Did that which was good [the Law], then, become death to me?” (Romans 7:13) Paul is not primarily interested here in discussing anyone's struggle with sin. He is explaining how the Old Testament Law – good in itself – was used by sin to bring death to pre-Christians.

#3. Paul knows that Christians struggle with sin; after all, many of his letters are written to help churches deal with sin. But he discusses the Christian struggle with sin in the next chapter (Romans 8:10-14). His conclusions about the struggle there do not seem to me to be consistent if chapter 7 is also about the Christian struggle with sin.

#4. Paul’s only positive description of the “me” in this passage is elsewhere applied to Jews, not Christians. “I agree with the Law, that the Law is good” (Romans 7:16) and “I delight in the law of God in my inner man” (Romans 7:22). But this is more in line with Paul’s description of Jews: “If you call yourself a Jew and rely on the Law” (Romans 2:17). In Romans, Christians have “died to the Law” (Romans 7:4) and thus “delight in the Law” is not most naturally applied to Christians.

#5. Paul’s negative descriptions of the “me” in the passage are elsewhere applied to pre-Christians, not Christians.

“I am fleshly, sold into bondage to sin” (Romans 7:14). Compare to “we were in the flesh” (Romans 7:5); “we were freed from sin” (Romans 6:18); “we were slaves to sin” (Romans 6:20); and “you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit” (Romans 8:9).​
“But I see another law… making me a prisoner of the law of sin” (Romans 7:23). Compare to “but now, freed from sin and enslaved to God” (Romans 6:22); and “the law of the Spirit of life has set you free from the law of sin and death” (Romans 8:2).​
If Paul says that Christian are no longer in the flesh and are no longer slaves or prisoners of sin, then it seems to make the most sense to say that he is talking about pre-Christian experience here in Romans 7:14-25.​
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Meant to add "As for Romans chapter 7" before the words above that say,

"Paul is referring to his experience as a pre-Christian Jew trying to obey the Law.

In other words, the numbered portion part of my post is dealing with Romans chapter 7. The words "As for Romans chapter 7:" got lost in my re-edits and I went outside my 5 minute window.
 
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I don't know but are people preaching that one has to be perfect in order to receive and maintain salvation? WHO on this forum, more specifically in this thread have achieved that plateau?

And why or how can people come on a thread and preach perfection to others without achieving perfection themselves?

Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein you judge another, you condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things and doest the same that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?
 
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Edit:

Meant to add "As for Romans chapter 7" before the words above that say,

"Paul is referring to his experience as a pre-Christian Jew trying to obey the Law.

In other words, the numbered portion part of my post is dealing with Romans chapter 7. The words "As for Romans chapter 7:" got lost in my re-edits and I went outside my 5 minute window.
Where does Paul say that he is refering to his experience as a pre-christian jew? Romans was written to Gentiles.
 
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Honestly this topic is not easy.

There is a verse that if you not bear the fruit will be cut off and thrown in to fire/hell.

Is sin always mean not bear fruit?

Before we die, do we have to sin free in order to go to heaven?

I am a sinner and still is. I try to be sin free but fail.

In other hand, I don't believe if professional killer/kill as a daily job is save.

There must be repent/change in habit to be save. but, in my opinion, we not perfect till we go to heaven.
The Scriptures say that those who are his have crucified the affections and lusts. Meaning, the saints have perfected themselves.

In other words, it has to do with your approach and attitude towards sin. What do you do when you sin? Do you just think you are forgiven and move on? Or do you confess that sin and strive to forsake it with God's help knowing that sin can cause you destruction of your very soul? For what purpose is their to confess your sin if you are saved anyways?

Is it based off some false notion of restoring fellowship while being saved?

I say that because Romans 8:9 says that if you do not have the Spirit of Christ you do not belong to Him. I say this because 1 John 5:12 says, "He that has the Son has life and He that does not have the Son does not have life." I say this because John 17:3 says that eternal life is that we might know the only true God, Jesus Christ. Knowing someone is having fellowship whichh is tied to eternal life.
 
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Where does Paul say that he is refering to his experience as a pre-christian jew? Romans was written to Gentiles.
This is all explained in the Numbered portion of my post. Please go back and read it. It is explained in great length there.
 
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I don't know but are people preaching that one has to be perfect in order to receive and maintain salvation? WHO on this forum, more specifically in this thread have achieved that plateau?

And why or how can people come on a thread and preach perfection to others without achieving perfection themselves?

Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein you judge another, you condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things and doest the same that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?
No, it's not about perfection. It's about having a humble spirit before God that cries out for forgiveness to Him. This is what the Parable of the Tax Collector and the Pharisee is all about. The Tax Collector was more justified because he cried out to God to have mercy on him in being a sinner. Whereas the Pharisee who thought he was God's child and who thought he was better than the Tax Collector was not (See Luke 18:9-14).
 
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I did. I'm looking for the verse that says "These things are from my (paul's) past as pre christian jew"
 
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Edit:

Meant to add "As for Romans chapter 7" before the words above that say,

"Paul is referring to his experience as a pre-Christian Jew trying to obey the Law.

In other words, the numbered portion part of my post is dealing with Romans chapter 7. The words "As for Romans chapter 7:" got lost in my re-edits and I went outside my 5 minute window.
Paul was describing his battle with his "old man" nature and his "new man" nature. That is what was warring in his members.

Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are you now made perfect in the flesh? . . . Yes, we should walk by the Spirit and not by the flesh - BUT - the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that you cannot do the things that you would.

All Romans 7, this in Galatians has to do with our WALK not our salvation. Our salvation is secure and our walk is a moment by moment, day by day battle - that is why we are to renew our minds, to put off the old man and put on the new man. We are to put on the whole armour of God to stand against the wiles of the devil. We grow day by day, moment by moment.