Can you be out of Fellowship with God and still be Saved?
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Well, I guess Adam and all the OT saints are not gonna make it into heaven then. For Jesus said, "Except a man be born again, he cannot see the Kingdom of God." In fact, Jesus seemed surprised that Nicodemus did not know about being born again; And Nicodemus being a great teacher of Isreal should have known. For the words "Circumcision of the heart" is a reference to being born again in the Old Testament.
"I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God." (Romans 12:1-2).
We are then told to abhor that which is evil in verse 9. Doesn't sound like OSAS to me.
We are then told to abhor that which is evil in verse 9. Doesn't sound like OSAS to me.
K
Acts 5:32
And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.
[h=1]Hebrews 10:26-27
For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.[/h]
And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.
[h=1]Hebrews 10:26-27
For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.[/h]
Sure does to me. Nothing there speaks of loss of salvation.
Do you think that the blood of Christ is able to forgive all our sins? Or is the blood of Christ only able to forgive certain sins?
I do abhor evil especially evil doctrine by men who consider themselves more righteous than Christ.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Do you think that the blood of Christ is able to forgive all our sins? Or is the blood of Christ only able to forgive certain sins?
I do abhor evil especially evil doctrine by men who consider themselves more righteous than Christ.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Verily sis, Praise God!.......
Luke 1:49-55
For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name.
50And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation.
51He hath shewed strength with his arm; he hath scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
52He hath put down the mighty from their seats, and exalted them of low degree.
53He hath filled the hungry with good things; and the rich he hath sent empty away.
54He hath holpen his servant Israel, in remembrance of his mercy;
55As he spake to our fathers, to Abraham, and to his seed for ever.
This statement of yours is proof of you being a dead man. No getting around it my friend, and no use for us to waste anymore time on dead men.
Matthew 15:13-14
But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up. 14Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
Luke 1:49-55
For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name.
50And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation.
51He hath shewed strength with his arm; he hath scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
52He hath put down the mighty from their seats, and exalted them of low degree.
53He hath filled the hungry with good things; and the rich he hath sent empty away.
54He hath holpen his servant Israel, in remembrance of his mercy;
55As he spake to our fathers, to Abraham, and to his seed for ever.
This statement of yours is proof of you being a dead man. No getting around it my friend, and no use for us to waste anymore time on dead men.
Matthew 15:13-14
But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up. 14Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
K
I don't trample underfoot the blood of Christ.
Those who think God gives out the Holy Spirit to anybody and everybody, and thinks that a person can still continue in unrepented/unconfessed sins are the ones who trample Him underfoot. They show disrespect to Him by continuing to live in their unrighteousness. Professing to know Him, but in their actions/works they deny Him....
Titus 1:16
They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate
Let's get something straight here - I do not like you labeling me. And I never said we are God not even close to it!
I was promised by God eternal life through faith in his Son Jesus Christ. I read that in scripture and I believe it. I am a daughter of God - But as many as received him to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, NOT of blood, NOR of the will of man but OF GOD.
If my son or daughter left home and I didn't know where they were - whether they were alive or dead - then when they returned, I would say "Oh - you were gone so long I didn't know if you were alive or dead" - that's how the father considered his son dead. Then I would say: But you are alive and I welcome you home, let's celebrate. I sure wouldn't say - "oh your alive but I am not your mother any longer because you left and squandered your inheritance". The son's sin was choosing to go his own way - he left his father's home, i.e. out of fellowship with his father and family. When he got sick and tired of being sick and tired he came home - humbled himself before his father and his fellowship with his father and his household was restored. His father was always his father . . . always, always. You're saying that "birth" means nothing - that "birth" can be taken away. You're saying that we are not really "born" again of the Spirit -
We are Adam's progeny - we inherited the sin nature from Adam. When Adam fell he became a man of body and soul - no Spirit. Jesus Christ - God's ambassador came to reconcile us back to God [2 Cor. 5:18,19] When we believe on the only begotten Son of God - we are born again of "spirit", that "spirit" [the new man, the new creation] is created within us and that is what reconciles us back to God.
I was promised by God eternal life through faith in his Son Jesus Christ. I read that in scripture and I believe it. I am a daughter of God - But as many as received him to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, NOT of blood, NOR of the will of man but OF GOD.
If my son or daughter left home and I didn't know where they were - whether they were alive or dead - then when they returned, I would say "Oh - you were gone so long I didn't know if you were alive or dead" - that's how the father considered his son dead. Then I would say: But you are alive and I welcome you home, let's celebrate. I sure wouldn't say - "oh your alive but I am not your mother any longer because you left and squandered your inheritance". The son's sin was choosing to go his own way - he left his father's home, i.e. out of fellowship with his father and family. When he got sick and tired of being sick and tired he came home - humbled himself before his father and his fellowship with his father and his household was restored. His father was always his father . . . always, always. You're saying that "birth" means nothing - that "birth" can be taken away. You're saying that we are not really "born" again of the Spirit -
We are Adam's progeny - we inherited the sin nature from Adam. When Adam fell he became a man of body and soul - no Spirit. Jesus Christ - God's ambassador came to reconcile us back to God [2 Cor. 5:18,19] When we believe on the only begotten Son of God - we are born again of "spirit", that "spirit" [the new man, the new creation] is created within us and that is what reconciles us back to God.
Here is the big difference between us. I do not accuse everyone of working against Christ. I am confident that the Holy Spirit Who abides in my heart is abiding in the hearts of every believer. The correction and instruction the Holy Spirit gives to me He gives to every believer.
I do not encourage unprofitable works of darkness nor do I suspect that everybody else is working these works. What shall I say of someone who expects in others what they cannot find in themselves? Mathew 23:13
For the cause of Christ
Roger
I do not encourage unprofitable works of darkness nor do I suspect that everybody else is working these works. What shall I say of someone who expects in others what they cannot find in themselves? Mathew 23:13
For the cause of Christ
Roger
K
Here is the thing though is that God is not going to just give out the Holy Spirit half hazzardly, and He already knows who is His and who isn't. Plus the Holy Spirit is our guide and helper, as in He does not completely control us and take away our free will. So knowing this those who God knows will continue to constantly disobey His teachings I do not believe He will give the Holy Spirit to rather they consider themselves to be Christian. There are many who profess to be Christian, yet they throw away His teachings, continue walking in unrighteousness, and some even act because of uneducated in the scriptures are mislead in a Paulinian doctrine that places Paul with more authority then Jesus Christ....
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Phil.2:12.
Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only,
but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
when we don't see eye to eye with each other, this is to be expected as we are all at
different points/stations/situations in our journey -
but, to condemn and pass a judgment, this is outside of our authority, especially when it comes
to another's salvation with their Father in Heaven,
fear and trembling comes to mind, when I think about condemning a soul who I don't
even know.
may we pray for forgiveness when we make the mistake of sitting in Jesus Christ's seat,
for He sees into our hearts and minds and spirits.
Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only,
but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
when we don't see eye to eye with each other, this is to be expected as we are all at
different points/stations/situations in our journey -
but, to condemn and pass a judgment, this is outside of our authority, especially when it comes
to another's salvation with their Father in Heaven,
fear and trembling comes to mind, when I think about condemning a soul who I don't
even know.
may we pray for forgiveness when we make the mistake of sitting in Jesus Christ's seat,
for He sees into our hearts and minds and spirits.
what are you really teaching??? God made Adam a living soul....why are you adding to scripture???
Genesis 2:7
And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
1 Corinthians 15:45
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
Genesis 2:7
And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
1 Corinthians 15:45
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
The OT believers were imputed righteousness because of their belief and trust in God and in the coming Messiah. Was there a time when people had to live according to the law to the best of their ability and that is how they are judged?
Not sure . . .
"But before faith came" - was there a time before "faith" came? I'm not sure how this "faith" is different but I do know that there was a time "before faith came" - But it seems it would have to do with the "faith of Jesus Christ" if we read the context: But the scripture concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ that we might be justified by faith. [Gal. 3:22-24]
Was the "new birth" available before the day of Pentecost?
Not sure . . .
"But before faith came" - was there a time before "faith" came? I'm not sure how this "faith" is different but I do know that there was a time "before faith came" - But it seems it would have to do with the "faith of Jesus Christ" if we read the context: But the scripture concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ that we might be justified by faith. [Gal. 3:22-24]
Was the "new birth" available before the day of Pentecost?