Catholic Heresy (for the record)

[mwc68]

Pope Francis claims that the Muslims, who Worship Allah as their God, are together with us in adoring the same God. It sounds to me that Pope Francis is declaring that he also Worships Allah as his God.

Therefore if Pope Francis IS Worshiping Allah as his God, this then proves that Pope Francis is not a True Christian. But a wolf in sheep clothing doing the will of his God, Satan.

How much longer mwc68 will you continue to support the Catholic Church seeing as Pope Francis has now brought into the Catholic Church a false God for you to Worship?

What will you do mwc68 when Pope Francis demands that you now bow down to Allah?

Sherlock Holmes is embarassed for your detective skills! lol

 

[kenthomas27]

I agree with you Kenallan, we are Blessed more than Mary, so why are you Catholics not bowing down to us?

Up until you and KenAllan, I've never known a true Christian who arrogantly boasts of being blessed more than another. Especially considering it is by Grace you receive your salvation and not your works or self righteousness. I would bow to you but only if you were behind me when rocks are thrown.

 

[MikeHenderson]

Do you not know mwc68 that Light is to have nothing to do with darkness?

2 Corinthians 6:14-18
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness?
[SUP]15 [/SUP] And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever?
[SUP]16 [/SUP] And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God. As God has said: "I will dwell in them And walk among them. I will be their God, And they shall be My people."
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Therefore "Come out from among them And be separate, says the Lord. Do not touch what is unclean, And I will receive you."
[SUP]18 [/SUP] "I will be a Father to you, And you shall be My sons and daughters, Says the LORD Almighty."

If Pope Francis does bring in the Muslims into the Catholic Church then you mwc68, even though you walk in the Light, will be yoked together with unbelievers and with darkness.


But Pope Francis DID say mwc68 that the God you Worship and adore is the SAME God the Muslims Worship and adore!


So yes, Pope Francis IS saying we are Brothers in Christ with the Muslims!

 

[mwc68]

Up until you and KenAllan, I've never known a true Christian who arrogantly boasts of being blessed more than another. Especially considering it is by Grace you receive your salvation and not your works or self righteousness. I would bow to you but only if you were behind me when rocks are thrown.

You might as well throw mikehenderson into this group with their arragance and hatred. I'm glad The Lord Jesus Christ taught me to be humble. I'm glad I'm not these guys version of a Christian. Reminds me of a story.

You see Mec99 was on a street corner praying, " God, thank you I am not one of these worthless Catholics. I know your statutes abd I obey them"
On the other side of the street, a Catholic, with his rosary, prays " God, forgive me, i am a sinner"

Who does God Bless?

 

[Mec99]

If you read the Scriptures he quoted kenthomas27 you will see its Jesus Christ who is saying that those who hear the Word of God, and study and apply the Word of God to their lives are Blessed more than Mary was.

Why do you Catholics have such a hard time understanding what God has said in the Scriptures? Could it be because you do not have the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit? Because this would explain a lot as to why you Catholics have such a hard time understanding what God is saying.

 

[Mec99]

Actually mwc68 when you pray the Rosary you are actually praying to Mary and not God.

So praying the Rosary on the street corner mwc68, you are asking Mary to forgive you for your sins, not God.

 

[blondieindahouse]

You might as well throw mikehenderson into this group with their arragance and hatred. I'm glad The Lord Jesus Christ taught me to be humble. I'm glad I'm not these guys version of a Christian. Reminds me of a story.

You see Mec99 was on a street corner praying, " God, thank you I am not one of these worthless Catholics. I know your statutes abd I obey them"
On the other side of the street, a Catholic, with his rosary, prays " God, forgive me, i am a sinner"

Who does God Bless?

God blesses neither one. God does not hear either one! One is prideful and will self destruct without a serious heart check and the other is praying with/to an idol . Christ demands we obey his commandments. God answers the prayers of the righteous.




Proverbs 15:29
The LORD is far from the wicked, But He hears the prayer of the righteous.

Psalm 34:…14Depart from evil and do good; Seek peace and pursue it. 15The eyes of the LORD are toward the righteous And His ears are open to their cry. 16The face of the LORD is against evildoers, To cut off the memory of them from the earth.…

Proverbs 15:8
The LORD detests the sacrifice of the wicked, but the prayer of the upright pleases him.


"You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them or serve them; for I The Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate Me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love Me and keep My Commandments." (Exodus 20:4-6 )

 

[mwc68]

Actually mwc68 when you pray the Rosary you are actually praying to Mary and not God.

So praying the Rosary on the street corner mwc68, you are asking Mary to forgive you for your sins, not God.

And your ignorance continues to shine through!

 

[mwc68]

God blesses neither one. God does not hear either one! One is prideful and will self destruct without a serious heart check and the other is praying with/to an idol . Christ demands we obey his commandments. God answers the prayers of the righteous.




Proverbs 15:29
The LORD is far from the wicked, But He hears the prayer of the righteous.

Psalm 34:…14Depart from evil and do good; Seek peace and pursue it. 15The eyes of the LORD are toward the righteous And His ears are open to their cry. 16The face of the LORD is against evildoers, To cut off the memory of them from the earth.…

Proverbs 15:8
The LORD detests the sacrifice of the wicked, but the prayer of the upright pleases him.


"You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them or serve them; for I The Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate Me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love Me and keep My Commandments." (Exodus 20:4-6 )

Do you have any figurines? I know women like to collect those things. According to your intepretation you need to get rid of those. Yes, even the Precious Moments

 

[Jackson123]

This is catholic 10 commandment.

There isn't command not to worship Idol.

PART THREE
LIFE IN CHRIST
SECTION TWO
THE TEN COMMANDMENTS
[TABLE]
[TR]
[TD="class: text1"]Exodus 20 2-17[/TD]
[TD="class: text1"]Deuteronomy 5:6-21[/TD]
[TD="class: text1"]A Traditional Catechetical Formula[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text1"]I am the LORD your God,
who brought you out
of the land of Egypt,
out of the house of bondage.[/TD]
[TD="class: text1"]I am the LORD your God,
who brought you out
of the land of Egypt,
out of the house of bondage.[/TD]
[TD="class: text1"]1. I am the LORD your God:
you shall not have
strange Gods before me.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text1"]You shall have no other gods before me.
You shall not make for yourself a graven image,
or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above,
or that is in the earth beneath,
or that is in the water under the earth;
you shall not bow down to them or serve them;
for I the LORD your God am a jealous God,
visiting the iniquity of the fathers
upon the children to the third and the fourth
generation of those who hate me,
but showing steadfast love to thousands of those
who love me and keep my commandments.[/TD]
[TD="class: text1"]You shall have no other gods before me
. . .[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text1"]You shall not take
the name of the LORD your God in vain;
for the LORD will not hold him guiltless
who takes his name in vain.[/TD]
[TD="class: text1"]You shall not take
the name of the LORD your God in vain
. . .[/TD]
[TD="class: text1"]2. You shall not take
the name of the LORD your God in vain.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text1"]Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Six days you shall labor, and do all your work;
but the seventh day is a sabbath to the LORD your God;
in it you shall not do any work, you, or your son,
or your daughter, your manservant,
or your maidservant or your cattle,
or the sojourner who is within your gates;
for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth,
the sea, and all that is in them,
and rested the seventh day;
therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and hallowed it.[/TD]
[TD="class: text1"]Observe the sabbath day,
to keep it holy
. . .[/TD]
[TD="class: text1"]3. Remember to keep holy the LORD'S Day.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text1"]Honor your father and your mother,
that your days may be long in the land
which the LORD your God gives you.[/TD]
[TD="class: text1"]Honor your father and your mother
. . .[/TD]
[TD="class: text1"]4. Honor your father and your mother.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text1"]You shall not kill.[/TD]
[TD="class: text1"]You shall not kill.[/TD]
[TD="class: text1"]5. You shall not kill.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text1"]You shall not commit adultery.[/TD]
[TD="class: text1"]Neither shall you commit adultery.[/TD]
[TD="class: text1"]6. You shall not commit adultery.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text1"]You shall not steal.[/TD]
[TD="class: text1"]Neither shall you steal.[/TD]
[TD="class: text1"]7. You shall not steal.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text1"]You shall not bear false witness
against your neighbor.[/TD]
[TD="class: text1"]Neither shall you bear false witness
against your neighbor.[/TD]
[TD="class: text1"]8. You shall not bear false witness
against your neighbor.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text1"]You shall not covet your neighbor's house;
you shall not covet your neighbor's wife,
or his manservant, or his maidservant,
or his ox, or his ass,
or anything that is your neighbor's.[/TD]
[TD="class: text1"]Neither shall you covet
your neighbor's wife . . .You shall not desire . . .
anything that is your neighbor's.
[/TD]
[TD="class: text1"]9. You shall not covet
your neighbor's wife.10. You shall not covet
your neighbor's goods.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

 

[mwc68]

This is catholic 10 commandment.

There isn't command not to worship Idol.

PART THREE
LIFE IN CHRIST
SECTION TWO
THE TEN COMMANDMENTS
[TABLE]
[TR]
[TD="class: text1"]Exodus 20 2-17[/TD]
[TD="class: text1"]Deuteronomy 5:6-21[/TD]
[TD="class: text1"]A Traditional Catechetical Formula[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text1"]I am the LORD your God,
who brought you out
of the land of Egypt,
out of the house of bondage.[/TD]
[TD="class: text1"]I am the LORD your God,
who brought you out
of the land of Egypt,
out of the house of bondage.[/TD]
[TD="class: text1"]1. I am the LORD your God:
you shall not have
strange Gods before me.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text1"]You shall have no other gods before me.
You shall not make for yourself a graven image,
or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above,
or that is in the earth beneath,
or that is in the water under the earth;
you shall not bow down to them or serve them;
for I the LORD your God am a jealous God,
visiting the iniquity of the fathers
upon the children to the third and the fourth
generation of those who hate me,
but showing steadfast love to thousands of those
who love me and keep my commandments.[/TD]
[TD="class: text1"]You shall have no other gods before me
. . .[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text1"]You shall not take
the name of the LORD your God in vain;
for the LORD will not hold him guiltless
who takes his name in vain.[/TD]
[TD="class: text1"]You shall not take
the name of the LORD your God in vain
. . .[/TD]
[TD="class: text1"]2. You shall not take
the name of the LORD your God in vain.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text1"]Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Six days you shall labor, and do all your work;
but the seventh day is a sabbath to the LORD your God;
in it you shall not do any work, you, or your son,
or your daughter, your manservant,
or your maidservant or your cattle,
or the sojourner who is within your gates;
for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth,
the sea, and all that is in them,
and rested the seventh day;
therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and hallowed it.[/TD]
[TD="class: text1"]Observe the sabbath day,
to keep it holy
. . .[/TD]
[TD="class: text1"]3. Remember to keep holy the LORD'S Day.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text1"]Honor your father and your mother,
that your days may be long in the land
which the LORD your God gives you.[/TD]
[TD="class: text1"]Honor your father and your mother
. . .[/TD]
[TD="class: text1"]4. Honor your father and your mother.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text1"]You shall not kill.[/TD]
[TD="class: text1"]You shall not kill.[/TD]
[TD="class: text1"]5. You shall not kill.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text1"]You shall not commit adultery.[/TD]
[TD="class: text1"]Neither shall you commit adultery.[/TD]
[TD="class: text1"]6. You shall not commit adultery.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text1"]You shall not steal.[/TD]
[TD="class: text1"]Neither shall you steal.[/TD]
[TD="class: text1"]7. You shall not steal.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text1"]You shall not bear false witness
against your neighbor.[/TD]
[TD="class: text1"]Neither shall you bear false witness
against your neighbor.[/TD]
[TD="class: text1"]8. You shall not bear false witness
against your neighbor.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text1"]You shall not covet your neighbor's house;
you shall not covet your neighbor's wife,
or his manservant, or his maidservant,
or his ox, or his ass,
or anything that is your neighbor's.[/TD]
[TD="class: text1"]Neither shall you covet
your neighbor's wife . . .You shall not desire . . .
anything that is your neighbor's.
[/TD]
[TD="class: text1"]9. You shall not covet
your neighbor's wife.10. You shall not covet
your neighbor's goods.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

I understand now. You are blind

 

[Jackson123]

I understand now. You are blind

Where command not to worship idol?

 

[kenthomas27]

If you read the Scriptures he quoted kenthomas27 you will see its Jesus Christ who is saying thatthose who hear the Word of God, and study and apply the Word of God to their lives are Blessed more than Mary was.

Why do you Catholics have such a hard time understanding what God has said in the Scriptures? Could it be because you do not have the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit? Because this would explain a lot as to why you Catholics have such a hard time understanding what God is saying.

I did read the scripture that was quoted and understood it. What I find offensive is the use of this blessing by God as some kind of badge of righteousness so that I might bow in their presence. The blessing was/is a PRIVILEGE. In other words, what Jesus was saying is to consider what a magnificent privilege it was for Mary to be chosen by God Almighty Himself to be the vessel womb of Christ Jesus Himself - Savior of Mankind - and to be His first disciple and to be washed in His blood and all the blessings that might entail - how much greater then are those who are granted this blessing by GRACE - by MERCY for those keeping God's Word. This good news should HUMBLE the believer, not make them arrogant and boastful which is what I commented on.

 

[Jackson123]

christian 10 commandments.

Compare with catholic, on no 2!

 

[valiant]

I did read the scripture that was quoted and understood it. What I find offensive is the use of this blessing by God as some kind of badge of righteousness so that I might bow in their presence. The blessing was/is a PRIVILEGE. In other words, what Jesus was saying is to consider what a magnificent privilege it was for Mary to be chosen by God Almighty Himself to be the vessel womb of Christ Jesus Himself - Savior of Mankind - and to be His first disciple and to be washed in His blood and all the blessings that might entail - how much greater then are those who are granted this blessing by GRACE - by MERCY for those keeping God's Word. This good news should HUMBLE the believer, not make them arrogant and boastful which is what I commented on.

Yes and it should prevent anyone from bowing before graven images of Mary and thinking that somehow she has some special influence in Heaven

~

 

[valiant]

I understand now. You are blind

so why then do you bow down before graven images?

~

 

[KenAllan]

I think all you Catholics are missing the point of what god says in Luke 11:27-28.

Luke 11:27-28
[SUP]27 [/SUP] And it happened, as He spoke these things, that a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, "Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts which nursed You!"
[SUP]28 [/SUP] But He said, "More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!"

Here is a person that was saying Mary was Blessed just for being His Mother. But Jesus Christ told her that all those who follow Him are Blessed instead! What Jesus was doing here was stopping the Worship of Mary that He knew the Catholics would do centuries later.

 

[blondieindahouse]

Do you have any figurines? I know women like to collect those things. According to your intepretation you need to get rid of those. Yes, even the Precious Moments

Do people pray with precious moments figurines? Do they say: hail mary mother of grace while holding a figurine? Your analogy is quite far reaching. It was a knee jerk reaction.


Which btw, Im not a nic nak paddy whack type of gal. I find them rather gawdy . I prefer my art to be art far removed from any likeness of my savior or that of any of the people in biblical times!!

I have a large pottery sheep on my shelve though because I am a sheep according to my savior! I am a dumb sheep !! I am a dumb sheep who has wisdom only through Jesus Christ only by imputed grace only through my faith only!!

! I do not use my sheep to pray nor do I bow to it. I havent made an alter with lit candles and I dont do repetitious blasphemous prayers to satan while I bow to a statue or while I hold my sheeps tail I hold its tail when I move it to dust! Ha! Ha!! Ha!!

To answer your question. I havent even ONE graven image in my home. I know its an INSULT TO MY GLORIOUS SAVIOR! How can a person say they have the indwelling Holy Spirit but yet continue to do as his WORD has instructed to NOT do?

Wouldnt you think that indwelling spirit would convict the believer? The Holy Spirit chastens those whom are his! The Father does surely discipline his children.

God wrote his 10 commandments on stone with his finger no less !!! Id gather that God means business and he isnt whistling dixie wouldnt you? God is not slack about carrying out his perfect justice is he? What was the 2nd commandment again? How can you not see that your statues and rosary and praying to mary are idols? How do they differ from the golden calf in exodus 32? God told Moses to go down the mountain because his people had CORRUPTED themselves!

Also, while we are on pagan idol likenesses; We have a vague description of Christ in the Bible. It didnt include details of his looks as he walked in the flesh. Figurines and paintings Of Christ are blasphemous as well..Likenesses where Christ is hanging on a cross are blasphemous! Christ has RISEN and sits at the right hand of the Father. He is not still on a cross! He paid the price already! Why must catholics continue to make him pay over and over again?


MWC68 I implore you to pray for discernment. The fear of the Lord s the beginning of wisdom...

 

[mwc68]

Do people pray with precious moments figurines? Do they say: hail mary mother of grace while holding a figurine? Your analogy is quite far reaching. It was a knee jerk reaction.


Which btw, Im not a nic nak paddy whack type of gal. I find them rather gawdy . I prefer my art to be art far removed from any likeness of my savior or that of any of the people in biblical times!!

I have a large pottery sheep on my shelve though because I am a sheep according to my savior! I am a dumb sheep !! I am a dumb sheep who has wisdom only through Jesus Christ only by imputed grace only through my faith only!!

! I do not use my sheep to pray nor do I bow to it. I havent made an alter with lit candles and I dont do repetitious blasphemous prayers to satan while I bow to a statue or while I hold my sheeps tail I hold its tail when I move it to dust! Ha! Ha!! Ha!!

To answer your question. I havent even ONE graven image in my home. I know its an INSULT TO MY GLORIOUS SAVIOR! How can a person say they have the indwelling Holy Spirit but yet continue to do as his WORD has instructed to NOT do?

Wouldnt you think that indwelling spirit would convict the believer? The Holy Spirit chastens those whom are his! The Father does surely discipline his children.

God wrote his 10 commandments on stone with his finger no less !!! Id gather that God means business and he isnt whistling dixie wouldnt you? God is not slack about carrying out his perfect justice is he? What was the 2nd commandment again? How can you not see that your statues and rosary and praying to mary are idols? How do they differ from the golden calf in exodus 32? God told Moses to go down the mountain because his people had CORRUPTED themselves!

Also, while we are on pagan idol likenesses; We have a vague description of Christ in the Bible. It didnt include details of his looks as he walked in the flesh. Figurines and paintings Of Christ are blasphemous as well..Likenesses where Christ is hanging on a cross are blasphemous! Christ has RISEN and sits at the right hand of the Father. He is not still on a cross! He paid the price already! Why must catholics continue to make him pay over and over again?


MWC68 I implore you to pray for discernment. The fear of the Lord s the beginning of wisdom...

Very simply put, the golden calf was worshipped as God. I worship God and God alone. The cross is a reminder of the sacrifice and power that took place there. I know Jesus is not on the cross. Please give me a little credit

 

[mwc68]

I think all you Catholics are missing the point of what god says in Luke 11:27-28.

Luke 11:27-28
[SUP]27 [/SUP] And it happened, as He spoke these things, that a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, "Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts which nursed You!"
[SUP]28 [/SUP] But He said, "More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!"

Here is a person that was saying Mary was Blessed just for being His Mother. But Jesus Christ told her that all those who follow Him are Blessed instead! What Jesus was doing here was stopping the Worship of Mary that He knew the Catholics would do centuries later.

Sorry Mr Allen, I've never heard that twist and not sure it's valid