Catholic Heresy (for the record)

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dallasb78 said:
You cannot separate Jesus and God, they are the Same.
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This is what leads to a lot of confusion. Jesus Christ is 100% humanity and undiminished Deity in ONE person.

meditate on that. 100% humanity. This means that His deity, didn't interfere with His humanity in the least. When He was tempted in the desert..........He did that completely in His humanity. His deity didn't interfere. He did it in His humanity,under the power of the holy Spirit. Deity is not tempted,nor does it hunger or thirst or get tired.
 
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Already addressed it you just don't accept it
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Why don't you just once, just once go to a Catholic source instead of your pastors and your fallible translations
 
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You have a decided proclivity to miss what has been addressed to you, which unavoidably seems to be deliberate. Jesus did not once in Scripture address Mary as His mother. He never elevated her above others, but Catholics, in fact, do quite the opposite of Jesus. Not only do Catholics feel a need to not just elevate Mary above others, but they put her on a par with Jesus in terms of His sinlessness. Why is that? It would be helpful if you could honestly address the questions put to you instead of resorting to your evasions, lies, and false accusations. Jesus told us to pray to our Father in heaven. Why do you pray to Mary instead? Is it just because your popes tell you to despite what Jesus explicitly said? God several times throughout Scripture says He will not share His glory. Why do you wish to glorify Mary? Scripture explicitly states that there is one intercessor between God and man, yet your popes tell you to pray to Mary for intercession. Why do you fault those who do as Jesus said, while you disobey Him to follow someone else instead? We see nothing in Scripture to assume or endorse her bodily assumption, her perpetual virginity, her immaculate conception. We see no need to pray to her, or any ability on her part, as dead as she is believed to be, to intercede on our behalf against the explicit words of Scripture. Within Catholicism, there is a drive to define a new Marian dogma in which Catholics, as a matter of faith, would be obliged to accept: 1) Mary participates in redemption with Jesus Christ; 2) grace is granted by Jesus only through the intercession of Mary; and 3) all prayers from the faithful must flow through Mary, who brings them to the attention of her Son. And you seriously wonder why we oppose Roman Catholicism?
 
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This is what leads to a lot of confusion. Jesus Christ is 100% humanity and undiminished Deity in ONE person.

meditate on that. 100% humanity. This means that His deity, didn't interfere with His humanity in the least. When He was tempted in the desert..........He did that completely in His humanity. His deity didn't interfere. He did it in His humanity,under the power of the holy Spirit. Deity is not tempted,nor does it hunger or thirst or get tired.
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Ok, you deny the deity of Jesus? What Christian doctrine is that?
 
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Well........... I'll give ya a couple of days to think about it, just might do you some good.
Then I'll tell what I beleive the real reason to be. :)
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Jesus is my good in life, not anything you share otherwise. Get over yourself.
 
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Gr8grace said:
This is what leads to a lot of confusion. Jesus Christ is 100% humanity and undiminished Deity in ONE person.

meditate on that. 100% humanity. This means that His deity, didn't interfere with His humanity in the least. When He was tempted in the desert..........He did that completely in His humanity. His deity didn't interfere. He did it in His humanity,under the power of the holy Spirit. Deity is not tempted,nor does it hunger or thirst or get tired.
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Because you or I cannot understand what it means to be fully God and at the same time, and in the same essence fully man, doesn't mean it cant be true. Jesus's full humanity and Godhood cannot be divided. We shouldn't try to limit God to something our intellect can grasp.

This understanding of Jesus is what all Christians taught for most of Christian history. It is not to be dismissed. It is basic Christian dogma.
 
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zzz98 said:
Sorry, i don't accept your private interpretation . It goes against God. I know you all like to dismiss Mary and I really can't figure out why except deep rooted mistranslation
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Because, though Mary was a blessed woman whom the Lord used to bring Christ into the world, beyond that she has no part in anyone's salvation. She was not sinless, not a perpetual virgin, as scripture shows that her and Joseph had other children, she did not shed her blood for salvation nor could she, she is not a co-mediator or a co-savior, is not the queen of heaven and is not to be prayed to. These are not the teachings of the word of God, but come from the councils of Roman Catholicism and her pope's.
 
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Because, though Mary was a blessed woman whom the Lord used to bring Christ into the world, beyond that she has no part in anyone's salvation. She was not sinless, not a perpetual virgin, as scripture shows that her and Joseph had other children, she did not shed her blood for salvation nor could she, she is not a co-mediator or a co-savior, is not the queen of heaven and is not to be prayed to. These are not the teachings of the word of God, but come from the councils of Roman Catholicism and her pope's.
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Your disrespect speaks volumes. And other children? Yeah, Isuppose you would be one of those. Who is the Mary that looked on the cross from afar? A little homework for you. Clue, Jesus mother was at the foot of the cross
 
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zzz98 said:
LOL, I thought grammar was becoming old school!
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You didn't hold firm to your word that you were leaving this thread (I'm glad you didn't), your grammar is terrible, and you attack at will rather than share the fruit of the Spirit. With all that you want to be taken seriously regarding Catholicism?

You're young, we get that, but you need to realize you don't know more than people who have already traveled down the road you're on. It would be prudent on your part to take seriously what is being shared with you.
 
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zzz98 said:
Ok, you deny the deity of Jesus? What Christian doctrine is that?
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Michael, this is why you won't stick around very long this time either.

I said this..........Jesus Christ is 100% humanity and undiminished Deity in ONEperson.

How does this deny Jesus Christ His deity?
 
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You didn't hold firm to your word that you were leaving this thread (I'm glad you didn't), your grammar is terrible, and you attack at will rather than share the fruit of the Spirit. With all that you want to be taken seriously regarding Catholicism?

You're young, we get that, but you need to realize you don't know more than people who have already traveled down the road you're on. It would be prudent on your part to take seriously what is being shared with you.
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Really? None of you take Catholics seriously. From what I've seen, you never will.
 
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zzz98 said:
Really? None of you take Catholics seriously. From what I've seen, you never will.
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I take Catholics seriously, not Catholicism . . .

Actually I do take Catholicism seriously in that it is heresy. Answer this, how do bread and wine in Communion become the actual body and blood of Jesus?
 
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[/COLOR][/B]Sorry, but you'd be wrong Magenta, not just us Catholics, but Holy Scripture as well!! Maybe Jesus didn't come right out and say it, But the Apostles knew good and well that Mary is the Mother of Jesus, They were so sure she was the mother of Jesus that they wrote of it!! So lets see what they had to say about it, they being the Apostles. These quotes are from your very own Protestant version of the bible, the King James Version.

John 2:3; And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.

Jn.3:5 "His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it
　

Jn.3:12; After this he went down to Capernaum, he, and his mother, and his brethren, and his disciples: and they continued there not many days."

Jn.19:26-27; "And he went down with them, and came to Nazareth, and was subject unto them: but his mother kept all these sayings in her heart."

Luke 2:51; "And he went down with them, and came to Nazareth, and was subject unto them: but his mother kept all these sayings in her heart."

And then there is Luke 11:27; And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed [is] the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked." Now Magenta, who do you think this woman was talking about if it wasn't Mary, Jesus' mother?
　

Are you now going to say that Scripture is in error Magenta??? How about you 49, do you beleive Scripture is in error refuring to Mary as Jesus' mother??? Or maybe you Gr8grace, do you beleive Scripture is in error by refuring to Mary as Jesus' mother??? {rolling eyes}
　

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You said it yourself..."Maybe Jesus didn't come right out and say it". Surely you read in post# 9636 'she gave birth to'...do not see how that is believing scripture is in error referring to Mary as Jesus' mother at all.
 
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Utah said:
Is this a typo?
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To tell you the truth, this would be more fun if we could all go get a beer and discuss this. Your not changing my mind, obviously I'm not changing yours, but it might be fun. I do have protestant friends just like you all and we remain friends.
 
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zzz98 said:
To tell you the truth, this would be more fun if we could all go get a beer and discuss this. Your not changing my mind, obviously I'm not changing yours, but it might be fun. I do have protestant friends just like you all and we remain friends.
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Z-Man, always remember this, Beer is our friend. :cool: I'm down with it.
 
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dallasb78 said:
No,
Jesus is Christ
Jesus is God
Christ is God
Therefore "Jesus and Christ and God are all One and the Same."
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Christ means Anointed One. Its a description, not a person. Jesus is the Christ, the Anointed One.
 
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Good night all, will be back tomorrow God willing. Thanks for the conversation and God bless.
 
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zzz98 said:
Your disrespect speaks volumes. And other children? Yeah, Isuppose you would be one of those. Who is the Mary that looked on the cross from afar? A little homework for you. Clue, Jesus mother was at the foot of the cross
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Disrespect? If Mary were here, I'm positive that she would go to Rome and set people straight regarding all of these false teachings about her and that she is not what the RCC has made her out to be. Just because Mary was at the foot of the cross that doesn't mean that she was any of those things mentioned. The other Mary's and other women were at the cross as well, that doesn't make them co-mediators or co-redeemers. Mary being at the foot of the cross doesn't prove anything other than she being a grieving mother. It doesn't make her a savior. Here is what scripture has to say about the One who alone provided salvation:

"You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because you were slain, and with your blood you purchased for God persons from every tribe and language and people and nation. You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth.” (Rev.5:9-10)

It was the Lamb, Jesus Christ, who alone purchased people for God by the shedding of his blood. Just prior to that, a mighty angel cries out asking who is worthy to open the scroll and break its seals. If Mary was all that the RCC says she is, then when that cry goes out for someone worthy to open the scroll, we should have seen Mary raising her hand, but what does it say? No one in heaven or on earth or under the earth was worthy to open the scroll and that includes Mary. The only who was worthy is the Lamb and that because he shed his blood for all.
 
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