Catholic Heresy (for the record)
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Eternally Grateful said it best... "If one wants a bible which contradicts itself. it is fine to have 72 or 76. But if one wants a bible which does not contradict itself then they will follow the 66."
The Word of God defends itself just as Jesus Christ was able to expose the motives and sins of people's hearts! You mentioned that we are not to accept anything blindly yet you accept the heresy of 72, 73, 76, etc. without testing the spirits! (1 John 4) The apocrypha clearly contradicts God's Word (66 books). Michael, if you abandon your orthodox faith and embrace the truth according to God's Word the truth will set you free! Don't take my word pray on it and use the Word of God as your guide (66 books). I am not referring to any denominations but to the truth that is not labeled by man but by God's Word. Those who belong to God identifies themselves using God's Word! In fact, why use anything else? Man's words, titles, and labels bring division but God's Word says that we are >>> Born of God, Child of God, Servant of the Most High, Friend of God. Thus I am who God says in His Word that I am. I choose not to identify myself with any denomination titles that are subject to biases and the like. God translated US into the Kingdom of His dear Son not denomination or religious affiliations.
The Word of God defends itself just as Jesus Christ was able to expose the motives and sins of people's hearts! You mentioned that we are not to accept anything blindly yet you accept the heresy of 72, 73, 76, etc. without testing the spirits! (1 John 4) The apocrypha clearly contradicts God's Word (66 books). Michael, if you abandon your orthodox faith and embrace the truth according to God's Word the truth will set you free! Don't take my word pray on it and use the Word of God as your guide (66 books). I am not referring to any denominations but to the truth that is not labeled by man but by God's Word. Those who belong to God identifies themselves using God's Word! In fact, why use anything else? Man's words, titles, and labels bring division but God's Word says that we are >>> Born of God, Child of God, Servant of the Most High, Friend of God. Thus I am who God says in His Word that I am. I choose not to identify myself with any denomination titles that are subject to biases and the like. God translated US into the Kingdom of His dear Son not denomination or religious affiliations.
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Yes the Sacrament of Reconciliation is required to remove mortal sin your point?
You should look at the example closer I said even if my neighbor forgave me that doesn't mean I shouldn't pay for the window. Me paying for the window was not what caused my neighbor to forgive me, but it was something I did afterwards to make amends.
You should look at the example closer I said even if my neighbor forgave me that doesn't mean I shouldn't pay for the window. Me paying for the window was not what caused my neighbor to forgive me, but it was something I did afterwards to make amends.
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1. All sin is mortal, The penalty of sin is death, there is no such thing as a venial sin.
2. My point is you just proved you have to do something to make up for your sin, thus depending on works to justify yourself and not God
The example is flawed though. for these reasons.
1. You stated you had to make amends. What if you did not make amends, would you still be forgiven?
2. You stated he forgave you before you made amends, which means you were not obligated to make amends to earn his forgiveness. And it also means even if you did not make amends, His forgiveness would still stand, or it was a fake forgiveness.
2. My point is you just proved you have to do something to make up for your sin, thus depending on works to justify yourself and not God
The example is flawed though. for these reasons.
1. You stated you had to make amends. What if you did not make amends, would you still be forgiven?
2. You stated he forgave you before you made amends, which means you were not obligated to make amends to earn his forgiveness. And it also means even if you did not make amends, His forgiveness would still stand, or it was a fake forgiveness.
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Sure there is, "there is sin not unto death" and whatnot.
Confession isn't doing something to make up for your sin, it's coming to God in the confessional for forgiveness. Of course I know your definition of a work includes everything but prayer. So arguing that with you is going to be useless.
I never said had to, I said should. Yes even without penance the forgiveness would still stand, but does that mean we should not make penance? Of course not.
E
Aww now. we are not talking about spiritual death here. If I go out and get drunk and drive and do not get killed doing it, I have committed a sin which was not unto death. Lets not twist a passage of scripture to try to make a sin mortal, as in you forfiet your salvation when there is no evidence to support this.
A work is anything I do. Something I can boast of. Scripture is clear on this matter. Not of works lest any man should boast (take credit)
I can most definitely boast, or be proud of the fact I go to confessional on a regular basis. You still trusting your self.
Then how can one lose salvation if they are not required to make penance?
A work is anything I do. Something I can boast of. Scripture is clear on this matter. Not of works lest any man should boast (take credit)
I can most definitely boast, or be proud of the fact I go to confessional on a regular basis. You still trusting your self.
Then how can one lose salvation if they are not required to make penance?
J
No, it actually agrees with Catholic theology. 
In fact, reading the Bible is a great way to make people Catholic. Worked for me.
Worked for me.
John 16:13
But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.
1 Cor. 2:10
But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.
You may have "read"The Bible in the sense that the gaze of your eyes met the letters of the page, but the truth within was never made known to you.
Nope, not "a bible" but "The Bible", even the abridged version with only 66 books in the canon is completely in line with what the Catholic Church teaches. Which is natural of course, after all...
As you so graciously pointed out, the Holy Spirit was sent to guide us. And this promise wasn't just made to us individually, but to the Church.
I respectfully disagree. The fullness of the faith has come alive even more than when I was still a Protestant.
As you so graciously pointed out, the Holy Spirit was sent to guide us. And this promise wasn't just made to us individually, but to the Church.
I respectfully disagree. The fullness of the faith has come alive even more than when I was still a Protestant.
S
Hey, I don't find the Biblical case for Calvinism even remotely compelling, but some people do of course. The same goes for pretty much every single contested theological assertion or premise ever thought of.
Oh come on now diggs, it's not your Biblically Illiterate folks that are converting to Catholicism, It's often your old-guard that has been reading the Bible and studying for years. I know your better than this "only the blinded convert to Catholicism" line.
Oh come on now diggs, it's not your Biblically Illiterate folks that are converting to Catholicism, It's often your old-guard that has been reading the Bible and studying for years. I know your better than this "only the blinded convert to Catholicism" line.
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We try to welcome everyone to our site including people who grow up with Catholic tradition because of course we want to lead people to the truth.
But sometimes it's perceived that we tolerate error and heresy. Please understand first of all that we don't screen every thread and post in this forum. YOU can help with that. If there's something that you really think we should deal with, then use the Report button (there's a Report button on every post). But please understand that there will be some error and we don't remove all error or even all heresy from the site, partly because it's an opportunity for Christians to correct it and respond with the word of God. But if there's too much of it or too much from one person then we do some housecleaning. We certainly don't want our site to be dominated by Catholic heresy or whatever heresy or error, and we don't want people to get the impression that we just tolerate all of that.
So for the record, Catholicism is heresy. That's what the admins of this site believe.
Mary WAS A SINNER.
She needed a savior, just like you and me.
She is NOT the "mother of God". God has no mother, because God is God. Yes Jesus is God, and Mary was his mother, but we have to understand the dual nature of Jesus. He was 100% God yes, and also 100% man. Mary was his mother as a man, not as God. No where does the scripture refer to Mary as the "mother of God". And in fact, she's not even mentioned in all the epistles. All the New Testament instruction to the church is all about Jesus, not Mary. They never said "hail Mary, mother of God, pray for us sinners". They always said JESUS .. JESUS... JESUS.
This is preaching to the choir for most people here. But it regularly happens that we start to accumulate Catholics here who really promote and argue their Catholicism, along with all the heresy.
So for the record, if anyone wants or needs to hear it, we don't agree with Catholic heresy. And yes it is heresy to exalt any other human being as sinless to the same level as Jesus (as the Catholics do with Mary -- they actually teach that Mary was sinless like Jesus!!!), and put equal focus on a person other than Jesus.
At the same time, we understand that no one is born a Christian. That's why Jesus said you must be born again. So we welcome all who are seeking -- Catholics, Muslims, homosexuals, and even protestants who are "Christian" only by tradition -- to experience our fellowship here on this site and learn the truth that Jesus is the way and the truth and the life and no one can come to the father except through Him. And there is only one God, and one mediator between God, the man Christ Jesus. Because he was both 100% man and 100% God, that makes him the perfect mediator between man and God. That's why the scripture also tells us to go straight to Jesus -- go to the throne of grace with confidence, knowing that he can understand our weaknesses and everything, since he lived as a man like us (and even experienced all temptation). Hence we don't need Mary to go to or go through -- that defeats the purpose of Jesus.
I saw my mother-in-law die before my eyes putting her faith in Mary. Days before she died I asked her if Mary can save her and she actually said yes. Then in her dying moments, my father-in-law pushed me in front of her to pray for her as she was dying before our eyes. I simply prayed out loud in front of everyone that she would put her faith in Jesus, and ONLY JESUS. There was protesting in the background "wala na Maria? wala na Maria?", which is Filipino language for "No Mary?? No Marry??". You see how deceived they all are. It is sad. You see how the devil uses that poison to add something to Jesus.
So I hope it's clear what we believe and we hope that we can promote the truth here in love.
But sometimes it's perceived that we tolerate error and heresy. Please understand first of all that we don't screen every thread and post in this forum. YOU can help with that.
If there's something that you really think we should deal with, then use the Report button (there's a Report button on every post). But please understand that there will be some error and we don't remove all error or even all heresy from the site, partly because it's an opportunity for Christians to correct it and respond with the word of God. But if there's too much of it or too much from one person then we do some housecleaning. We certainly don't want our site to be dominated by Catholic heresy or whatever heresy or error, and we don't want people to get the impression that we just tolerate all of that.So for the record, Catholicism is heresy. That's what the admins of this site believe.
Mary WAS A SINNER.
She needed a savior, just like you and me.
She is NOT the "mother of God". God has no mother, because God is God. Yes Jesus is God, and Mary was his mother, but we have to understand the dual nature of Jesus. He was 100% God yes, and also 100% man. Mary was his mother as a man, not as God. No where does the scripture refer to Mary as the "mother of God". And in fact, she's not even mentioned in all the epistles. All the New Testament instruction to the church is all about Jesus, not Mary. They never said "hail Mary, mother of God, pray for us sinners". They always said JESUS .. JESUS... JESUS.
This is preaching to the choir for most people here. But it regularly happens that we start to accumulate Catholics here who really promote and argue their Catholicism, along with all the heresy.
So for the record, if anyone wants or needs to hear it, we don't agree with Catholic heresy. And yes it is heresy to exalt any other human being as sinless to the same level as Jesus (as the Catholics do with Mary -- they actually teach that Mary was sinless like Jesus!!!), and put equal focus on a person other than Jesus.
At the same time, we understand that no one is born a Christian. That's why Jesus said you must be born again. So we welcome all who are seeking -- Catholics, Muslims, homosexuals, and even protestants who are "Christian" only by tradition -- to experience our fellowship here on this site and learn the truth that Jesus is the way and the truth and the life and no one can come to the father except through Him. And there is only one God, and one mediator between God, the man Christ Jesus. Because he was both 100% man and 100% God, that makes him the perfect mediator between man and God. That's why the scripture also tells us to go straight to Jesus -- go to the throne of grace with confidence, knowing that he can understand our weaknesses and everything, since he lived as a man like us (and even experienced all temptation). Hence we don't need Mary to go to or go through -- that defeats the purpose of Jesus.
I saw my mother-in-law die before my eyes putting her faith in Mary. Days before she died I asked her if Mary can save her and she actually said yes. Then in her dying moments, my father-in-law pushed me in front of her to pray for her as she was dying before our eyes. I simply prayed out loud in front of everyone that she would put her faith in Jesus, and ONLY JESUS. There was protesting in the background "wala na Maria? wala na Maria?", which is Filipino language for "No Mary?? No Marry??". You see how deceived they all are. It is sad. You see how the devil uses that poison to add something to Jesus.
So I hope it's clear what we believe and we hope that we can promote the truth here in love.
I wish people would learn how to discuss a subject without resulting in personal attacks and illogical assertions.
I see how the above statement might offend some people who are a part of Catholic church. I believe you could point out the heresy found in many different denominations not just Catholicism. For example you could point out the word of Faith Heresy and its false prosperity doctrine.
However I would stress that everyone who comes is an individual who we hope seeks God's truth. that not everyone who is a part of the Catholic church is a heretic and there are some born again Christians for whatever reason attend Catholic churches. They do not pray to Mary but to Jesus alone.
Personally I don't know what a "true Catholic" believes. I know of my friends who are Catholic and what they believe. The basic tenets of faith in Jesus does not change. The love of the Bible and study of the Bible is no different for them.
However I have met pagans pretending to be Christians hidden in the Catholic church. Ones who pretend to worship a saint but in their hearts are worshiping a local tribal deity they have given the name of that saint. How do I know this? they give me a tour and tell me that the saint is very much like their old gods and in truth they make Jesus just another deity among their many.
That I believe is wrong and any priest who teaches such things as to have the spirit of the antichrist within them.
I don't think you can treat people as a denomination but as individuals in bondage to lies of this world. It may not be the "catholic heresy" It may b other lies or sins that enslave them.
Before we can help tear down the strongholds in the minds of others that war against the knowledge of God, we must first tear down our own and love the person enough to care and listen to what they truly believe and not what we assume they believe just because they belong to one church or another.
have you ever studied how abused children react to certain words or actions or sounds?
they are called triggers that makes them react either violently or fearfully and fold within themselves, not listening or truly responding to others.
sometimes people remind me of abused victims who do not recognize that demons have been tormenting them so much that a single word or phrase will trigger a reaction that is completely illogical to the situation.
Sometimes all we can do is pray, be patient and loving.
I watched a young teenage boy lose faith in Jesus because someone told him it was because of HIS lack of faith that his prayers were not answer and his father died.
anyways I've ranted enough.