Catholic Heresy (for the record)
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The thing is, even a lot of protestants are in denial or just can't believe that Catholics actually believe (and teach such things). But it's true.
Ask any Catholic here. They believe that MARY WAS SINLESS LIKE JESUS. That's what the Catholic church teaches, and what they believe (if they're truly Catholic).
'Course they'll try to rationalize it but just ask for a simple YES or NO. They have to answer yes. Then it's case closed (or should be).
P.S. I assume you mean she "was a virgin" before giving birth to Jesus
Ask any Catholic here. They believe that MARY WAS SINLESS LIKE JESUS. That's what the Catholic church teaches, and what they believe (if they're truly Catholic).
'Course they'll try to rationalize it but just ask for a simple YES or NO. They have to answer yes. Then it's case closed (or should be).
P.S. I assume you mean she "was a virgin" before giving birth to Jesus
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Honestly...Mary was just simply a vessel used for God's glory, not her own. She was a woman who God called to bear the Savior of the world. That's it. She didn't do any of the saving. As I said before, Mary was simply a vessel used for God's glory and His alone. No need to put Mary up on a pedestal for something she has very little to do with. Because honestly....what's Mary got to do with Jesus and His performing miracles, His dying on the cross, His rising again and His ascending to Heaven? What's she got to do with "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in HIM shall not perish..." and the answer is, absolutely nothing.
One thing I WILL say about Mary is...she was blessed to be able carry and bear the Savior of the World.
One thing I WILL say about Mary is...she was blessed to be able carry and bear the Savior of the World.
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Why should it be so hard to believe that Mary was sinless if Jesus also was sinless? I can understand how the Catholics could believe in that, being that I am an Eastern Orthodox, and we believe that Mary was almost completely free of sin but not quite.
It does make some sense though. If Jesus was sinless isn't it logical to believe that Mary was also sinless or almost free from sin? This is not to take the power and honor away from Jesus, we all know Jesus is our Savior and Lord, but this is just to see things for the way they are.
It does make some sense though. If Jesus was sinless isn't it logical to believe that Mary was also sinless or almost free from sin? This is not to take the power and honor away from Jesus, we all know Jesus is our Savior and Lord, but this is just to see things for the way they are.
S
You really ought not to use the words of the Lord like that, arguments with Scripture don't work out to well in the end, trust me, I know by first hand experience.
That being said I guess next the only thing to do now is to have a good ol' fashioned lynchin'... Yeee haw!
Or at least we can have some suicide bomb attacks on the Catholic and Orthodox Churches...Right?
Allah akbar! Obey the book or die!
Lol, no offense meant, just being humorous.
Like Jesus? No. But was she sinless because of a special grace FROM Jesus? Yes. She was, as the new Eve, was given a special grace of being protected from the stain of Adam's sin. Keep in mind that both Adam and Eve were sinless at first, but unlike Adam and Eve, Mary did choose to sin, and put her faith in God. Her perfect obedience helped begin restoring what Eve's disobedience wrought.
What? This makes no sense at all. When the first miracle was performed at the wedding, Mary knew instinctively to have the wine stewards ask of Yeshua (Jesus), however if you pay real attention, Mary never had a clue as to what was actually going on, but she had lots of faith. I have learned so much from here character, the main thing I have learned from her is when I do not understand a particular teaching in the Word, I keep it to myself, just as she always would do, until I have understanding, and if that understanding were to never come to me, I am satisfied knowing Yeshua died for all sinners who come to Him in the humility of repentence.
Ravi, please understand there are those who simply believe Yeshua (Jesus) and attempt to please Him by reading the Word, His Namesake and Who He really is. When I consider something dogmatic, it is only because I cannot find it in His teachings, beginning with the "In the beginning" of the Book called Genesis, and ending with the final "amen" of the Book called Revelation.
Mary truly is the most blessed woman amongst women. How could she not be? She was given the privilege of birthing the Savior of all mankind who will come to Him humbly in repentence. So if this fits your claim of all people being dogmatic, perhaps I too fit into that blanket description.
Mary truly is the most blessed woman amongst women. How could she not be? She was given the privilege of birthing the Savior of all mankind who will come to Him humbly in repentence. So if this fits your claim of all people being dogmatic, perhaps I too fit into that blanket description.
T
And of course Mary's parents were both sinless, not to mention her grandparents, great grandparentrs, great great........
And the perpetual virginity thing is even more ridiculous. The way they try to explain away Matthew 1:25 is embarrassing. All because they choose to listen to thier church insteads of God's word, the Bible.
Those are but only two of their many heresies.
Tom
.And the perpetual virginity thing is even more ridiculous. The way they try to explain away Matthew 1:25 is embarrassing. All because they choose to listen to thier church insteads of God's word, the Bible.
Those are but only two of their many heresies.
Tom
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Just so we're clear:
Dogma - A principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true.
You believe the Bible to be the irrevocable truth. Another esteems the Quran as the ultimate truth. Someone somewhere else holds an Eastern mindset. In the end, it's all dogmatic, but to each their own.
I believe it best to follow Christ rather than the Church. And that is my dogma.
Dogma - A principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true.
You believe the Bible to be the irrevocable truth. Another esteems the Quran as the ultimate truth. Someone somewhere else holds an Eastern mindset. In the end, it's all dogmatic, but to each their own.
I believe it best to follow Christ rather than the Church. And that is my dogma.
Just so we're clear:
Dogma - A principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true.
You believe the Bible to be the irrevocable truth. Another esteems the Quran as the ultimate truth. Someone somewhere else holds an Eastern mindset. In the end, it's all dogmatic, but to each their own.
I believe it best to follow Christ rather than the Church. And that is my dogma.
Dogma - A principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true.
You believe the Bible to be the irrevocable truth. Another esteems the Quran as the ultimate truth. Someone somewhere else holds an Eastern mindset. In the end, it's all dogmatic, but to each their own.
I believe it best to follow Christ rather than the Church. And that is my dogma.