Christian Unity what will it take?

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SantoSubito

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It depends on who you ask. If you ask a Catholic they'll say it will take an act of God to bring everyone under the One True Church that Christ founded, ask an EOC and they'll likely say the same thing. Ask a Protestant and well you'll get all sorts of answers based on how they define unity.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I wonder what the world would be like today if all Christians actually came under 1 banner as in the time of Christ himself all worshipping the one True God and following the teachings of his only Son as The Lord had told us it should be.

1 What would it take to accomplish this goal
2 What methods are at our disposal without contradicting the spirit of the Word
3 As Christians we represent our Lord Jesus Christ so it is our charge to act like him in all things that we do. This being said then one doesn't have to go far to conclude that the acts of denominational fracture have only one cause........... deception one of either two parties have been decieved.

The problem here is figuring out where the deception starts as to ascertain the roots of said deception.

possible causes for deception
A: a sizeable percentage of the congregation is misled by false teachings due to a number of venues or doctrines laid before them and are forced to choose between said venues leading to division

B: a sizeable percentage realizes that a large proportion of the congregation has corrupted itself and decided to pull away from the rest of the congregation in order to save themselves from said corruption
and in so doing create division


What would it take to reunite Christianity Globally give me your thoughts please

It will take the return of the Lord. the resurrection. The our new bodies free of the flesh. and the new heaven and earth.

Until then. We all have our flesh. We have satanic forces attacking us. And we have our pride. Until these things are removed, there will never be unity
 
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SantoSubito

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Very likely, and I'm fine with that. Oddly enough, I've never had ANY disagreement about fasting from anyone who's truly fasted and experienced its effects. Fasting was the exponent for spiritual growth in my life.

Anyone who has fasted 40, 80, or 100+ days (or even 7-14 days) is free to tell me what a monumental waste of time it is, and how stupid and legalistic (or whatever else) I am, and how they'll never do it again as long as they have breath. Only non-fasters have ever told me such things, and I've heard it all.

I reiterate... Fasting is not required. It's certainly not prohibited, though.
If nothing else they would have to agree it's beneficial to weight loss and learning self-discipline. The longest fast I've ever done is 14 days at the beginning of Lent, and while not a pleasant experience physically, it does wonders to turn the mind and soul towards the things of God.
 
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If nothing else they would have to agree it's beneficial to weight loss and learning self-discipline. The longest fast I've ever done is 14 days at the beginning of Lent, and while not a pleasant experience physically, it does wonders to turn the mind and soul towards the things of God.
Of course, weight loss and such things are not the appropriate impetus for fasting; but, yes, there are physical benefits as well.

My flesh certainly hates any hint of fasting, just like everyone else's. I say, starve the flesh.
 
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I wonder what the world would be like today if all Christians actually came under 1 banner as in the time of Christ himself all worshipping the one True God and following the teachings of his only Son as The Lord had told us it should be.

1 What would it take to accomplish this goal
2 What methods are at our disposal without contradicting the spirit of the Word
3 As Christians we represent our Lord Jesus Christ so it is our charge to act like him in all things that we do. This being said then one doesn't have to go far to conclude that the acts of denominational fracture have only one cause........... deception one of either two parties have been decieved.

The problem here is figuring out where the deception starts as to ascertain the roots of said deception.

possible causes for deception
A: a sizeable percentage of the congregation is misled by false teachings due to a number of venues or doctrines laid before them and are forced to choose between said venues leading to division

B: a sizeable percentage realizes that a large proportion of the congregation has corrupted itself and decided to pull away from the rest of the congregation in order to save themselves from said corruption
and in so doing create division


What would it take to reunite Christianity Globally give me your thoughts please

Start kicking the antichrist out of this site would be a good start.
 
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Start kicking the antichrist out of this site would be a good start.
Can you give us some idea specifically what you're referring to? Those who deny the deity of Christ? Those with Gnostic heresy? Serpent Seed? The numerology guy?

I'm not being facetious or obtuse. I'm just not sure what you consider "kicking out the antichrist".

I'm not Trinitarian, and reject Triune baptism. I'm not Dispensationalist. I hold Calvinism and Arminianism to be a false dichotomy that isn't the actual issue. I reject Augustine's doctrine of Original Sin, but am NOT Pelagian in even the slightest measure. Man's spirit is not depraved. All these issues are constitutional misunderstandings of God and man.
 

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Very likely, and I'm fine with that. Oddly enough, I've never had ANY disagreement about fasting from anyone who's truly fasted and experienced its effects. Fasting was the exponent for spiritual growth in my life.

Anyone who has fasted 40, 80, or 100+ days (or even 7-14 days) is free to tell me what a monumental waste of time it is, and how stupid and legalistic (or whatever else) I am, and how they'll never do it again as long as they have breath. Only non-fasters have ever told me such things, and I've heard it all.

I reiterate... Fasting is not required. It's certainly not prohibited, though.
ditto.
but i was called/constrained to do it.
never occured to me to "do it" myself.

talk about exponential growth. i hear that.
amazing experience. indescribable really. nothing really to do with not eating, though that was included.

but having experienced it as a direct call, i likely won't do it of my own volition.
who knows...maybe.

the weight loss was nice:D
 
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Can you give us some idea specifically what you're referring to? Those who deny the deity of Christ? Those with Gnostic heresy? Serpent Seed? The numerology guy?

I'm not being facetious or obtuse. I'm just not sure what you consider "kicking out the antichrist".

I'm not Trinitarian, and reject Triune baptism. I'm not Dispensationalist. I hold Calvinism and Arminianism to be a false dichotomy that isn't the actual issue. I reject Augustine's doctrine of Original Sin, but am NOT Pelagian in even the slightest measure. Man's spirit is not depraved. All these issues are constitutional misunderstandings of God and man.

Anyone who continues to go against the word of God. Will not repent.
 

zone

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Lolz, define true christians?? All the ones that say my doctrine is true and those who agree are united by denomination? My brother/sister is who believes like me??? Jesus wasn't thinking like that hanging on the cross, game over if He did
Jesus said my mother brother sister ate those that do the will of God, I think it meant to "love" not ink but people unreservedly regardless
Jesus' longest prayer was on unity
ok alex.
all who claim the name of Jesus then. everybody's in.
the mormon doctrines are in
Rome'S MARIOLATRY
jwS
ALL GOOD.
 
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Abiding

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Anyone who continues to go against the word of God. Will not repent.

Be more specific...How can you kick out a who knows what?
Are you meaning people who dont have demons crawling on them?
Shooting blanks wont help.
 
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Abiding

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ROFLMHO ........ that's good ........ very good .....lol


Hey Fes where ya been...missed ya. You gotta try some
of this new homeade jerkey. really good this year.
 
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unclefester

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Hey Fes where ya been...missed ya. You gotta try some
of this new homeade jerkey. really good this year.

Workin' twelve's every other day and trying to keep this property looking pretty (have it up for sale). Might have something in the works. I'll know within a week hopefully. Been snooping in sporadically but it's been difficult to put a few hours together where I can contemplate on a reasonable reply. Looking like I might have some time to catch up tonight. The jerky looks great :)
 
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Abiding

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Oh wow..home for sale. That can sure be fun.
In a test your patience way. I hope it works out.
remember the iron stuff greens up the grass. :)
 
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It depends on who you ask. If you ask a Catholic they'll say it will take an act of God to bring everyone under the One True Church that Christ founded, ask an EOC and they'll likely say the same thing. Ask a Protestant and well you'll get all sorts of answers based on how they define unity.
Myself as an EO would affirm to say that it was only by the 7 Holy Ecumenical Councils that the Unity of the Faith has been established.
Through these councils, every insidious heresy was routed and destroyed through the knowledge of the Truth, by the Spirit of Truth. This only happened in the Eastern Orthodox Church once and for all.


These are the Councils: The Greek Orthodox Church of the Holy Cross - Studies in the Faith

First Ecumenical Council - Nicea, Asia Minor, 325 A.D. - Formulated the First Part of the Creed. Defining the divinity of the Son of God.

Second Ecumenical Council - Constantinople, 381 A.D. - Formulated the Second Part of the Creed, defining the divinity of the Holy Spirit.

Third Ecumenical Council - Ephesus, Asia Minor, 431A.D. - Defined Christ as the Incarnate Word of God and Mary as Theotokos.

Fourth Ecumenical Council - Chalcedon, Asia Minor, 451A.D. - Defined Christ as Perfect God and Perfect God and Perfect Man in One Person.

Fifth Ecumenical Council - Constantinople II, 553 A.D. - Reconfirmed the Doctrines of the Trinity and Christ.

Sixth Ecumenical Council - Constantinople III, 680 A.D. - Affirmed the True Humanity of Jesus by insisting upon the reality of His Human will and action.

Qinisext Council (Trullo) - Constantinople, 692 A.D. - Completed the 5th and 6th Ecumenical Councils

Seventh Ecumenical Council - Nicea, Asia Minor, 787 A.D. - Affirmed the propriety of icons as genuine expressions of the Christian Faith.
 
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What will bring unity? Persecution. severe Persecution. Suffering. Suffering IS the fellowship we belong to in the first place. Sufferign of JESUS. It is when we are in the midst of storm that we get to being humble and praying non stop. SURE there are some who do that in and out of presecution, but on a wide scale, TRUE unification of the faith will only come when EVERYONE is on there knees crying out to Jesus, and working to protect anyone and everyone that loves Jesus. Read revelation. I don't think there is ANY division in those saints, no matter what your escatological outlook is. Where there is PRIDE and idols in the heart, there will be division. And you cant really have Pride in persecution.

Now is the "TRUE" church unified today? absolutely not. i know many TRUE christians who are still deceived on somthings. I know they TRULY love Jesus, and are a part of his body(even if they aren't a fully functioning part yet), but they are JUST waking up, JUST comming out of Babylon. There are those who are pre-trib, that i KNOW love Jesus, and then those who love Jesus Just as much who are Post trib(that isnt a coment on which one is correct, only that there is still division among TRUE belivers). There are many, many other examples of divison INSIDE the true body. SO is the TRUE church unified? no. its not. We are childish, and argumentative, and in a type of spiritual entropy.

Thats the TRUE body. The TRUE body is STILL not getting un adulterated messeges from the HEAD, because they are still in the FLESH. the Carnal. And we still have Idols, weather we relise it or not. It is JESUS that will get them out if they truly belong to him, but it will be in suffering. Suffering in the flesh, and suffering in persecution.

Then, there will be unity. its begining. It is hapening in parts of the World, like parts of Asia, where there is EXTREAME persecution.
 

zone

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UNITY IS FOUND WHEN THE HOLY SPIRIT ENVELOPS CHRISTIANS IN TRUTH.
there is no unity outside sound doctrine.

persecution happens to pagans as well....that means NOTHING.

THERE IS UNITY ONLY IN THE FAITH DELIVERED ONCE FOR ALL TO THE SAINTS.