Christian Unity what will it take?
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i realize you hate me linda, because i reject your theology/religion. i'm fine with that, since on that i can not compromise. and i'll keep posting against Word Faith and related ideas.
i've never asked anyone to worship me or bow down to me.
and you dishonour pretty much anyone who may have agreed to any post i made.
is that a divisive tactic? to shame people away from me for fear of a post like this one?
i forgive you linda.
and i choose to love you today.
zone.
i've never asked anyone to worship me or bow down to me.
and you dishonour pretty much anyone who may have agreed to any post i made.
is that a divisive tactic? to shame people away from me for fear of a post like this one?
i forgive you linda.
and i choose to love you today.
zone.
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Zone,
You and I don't have to agree on doctrine in order to get along. I'm not here to attack you. You can teach whatever you like, that is your right. You don't see me chasing you around this website critiquing everything you do or say.
Where I take issue with you is your behavior, especially towards those who disagree with you. It's as if you go on the offense to destroy the reputations of these people. Making insinuations based on assumptions, which in several cases, simply are not true. This is where I take issue with you.
I believe that if you are going to preach or teach the word, then first you need to live the word.
We can get along. I'm not out to get you. However, when you begin to act irrationally, something will be said about it.
You and I don't have to agree on doctrine in order to get along. I'm not here to attack you. You can teach whatever you like, that is your right. You don't see me chasing you around this website critiquing everything you do or say.
Where I take issue with you is your behavior, especially towards those who disagree with you. It's as if you go on the offense to destroy the reputations of these people. Making insinuations based on assumptions, which in several cases, simply are not true. This is where I take issue with you.
I believe that if you are going to preach or teach the word, then first you need to live the word.
We can get along. I'm not out to get you. However, when you begin to act irrationally, something will be said about it.
hi crossfire.
ok.
but regarding my question yesterday.
did you previously intiate a thread about me being JEZEBEL? because you disliked my stance on NAR?
and many like posts? when in your old ID you did inded chase me around? i don't have to go get stuff to prove it. you and i both know its true.
honesty is good place to begin to build a trusting relationship where we can actually believe each other when we say things as you have in your post.
was that a yes or no?
i love you crossfire, even though i do not agree with your teachings at all.
hows' that?
The real christians in this world are already united because they know to love one another despite their differences.
This is why I do not deny that other christians are my brothers and sisters even though many refuse to see me as christian because they misunderstand my faith. It is also why I don't spend much time in this bible discussion forum.
But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless. Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a second time. After that, have nothing to do with him. You may be sure that such a man is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned.
Titus 3:9-11 NIV
This is why I do not deny that other christians are my brothers and sisters even though many refuse to see me as christian because they misunderstand my faith. It is also why I don't spend much time in this bible discussion forum.
But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless. Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a second time. After that, have nothing to do with him. You may be sure that such a man is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned.
Titus 3:9-11 NIV
umm...pardon crossfire?
just one post previously you said you were not following me around nor had an agenda.
did you actually mean to say i should apologize to Linda?
whatever for dear?
or....were you directing this to Linda who has lied about me on many many occassions, remarks like "zone says God is dead" and such.
did you read MY POST? i said I FORGIVE HER.
now what exactly was your point? and since you've made an issue of this, i'm going to have to ask you to get whatever posts you believe i need to apologize for IN CONTEXT please, and explain why you believe
1) you need to be involved
2) why i need to apologize
3) is your gift of reconciliation or whatever you might call it extended to ALL who claim the name of Christ?
because i suppose i would want to see evidence of that. just to verify your sincerity in this post.
so perhaps you could ask for apologies all around...being specific about what and why is important.
thanks ever so much.
keep having a good day
love zone
oh...btw: re the apologies.
maybe you could start: though it hadn't occured to me, since i have forgiven you.
but just to show you mean what you say.
just one post previously you said you were not following me around nor had an agenda.
did you actually mean to say i should apologize to Linda?
whatever for dear?
or....were you directing this to Linda who has lied about me on many many occassions, remarks like "zone says God is dead" and such.
did you read MY POST? i said I FORGIVE HER.
now what exactly was your point? and since you've made an issue of this, i'm going to have to ask you to get whatever posts you believe i need to apologize for IN CONTEXT please, and explain why you believe
1) you need to be involved
2) why i need to apologize
3) is your gift of reconciliation or whatever you might call it extended to ALL who claim the name of Christ?
because i suppose i would want to see evidence of that. just to verify your sincerity in this post.
so perhaps you could ask for apologies all around...being specific about what and why is important.
thanks ever so much.
keep having a good day
love zone
oh...btw: re the apologies.
maybe you could start: though it hadn't occured to me, since i have forgiven you.
but just to show you mean what you say.
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I feel that a huge problem on these boards is that some of you thrive on humiliating people in public. Some of you can't seem to control your desire to make others look bad in an attempt to make yourself look good.
My identity is no secret. The website admin knows who I am. My friends know who I am. I don't answer your question not because I'm trying to conceal anything. I don't answer your questions because I know how you are.
The only reason people want me to admit to who I am is because they thrive on humiliating others. If they would simply message me, I would tell them. Instead they want to make a public stink about it.
Who I am does not matter. I'm just a nobody.
If you have questions for me, message me.
If you have a grievance with me, let's take care of it biblically. Go to a admin and we'll take care of it.
If you say you want peace, then let's do this.
Actions speak louder than words.
My identity is no secret. The website admin knows who I am. My friends know who I am. I don't answer your question not because I'm trying to conceal anything. I don't answer your questions because I know how you are.
The only reason people want me to admit to who I am is because they thrive on humiliating others. If they would simply message me, I would tell them. Instead they want to make a public stink about it.
Who I am does not matter. I'm just a nobody.
If you have questions for me, message me.
If you have a grievance with me, let's take care of it biblically. Go to a admin and we'll take care of it.
If you say you want peace, then let's do this.
Actions speak louder than words.
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you desired to exacerbate a post I MADE TO LINDA.
you interfered, because you have an agenda against me. you and i BOTH KNOW IT.
now if you are capable of being HONEST for once, we can get somewhere.
YOU PUBLICALLY ATTEMPTED TO SHAME ME, BY SAYING MY POST TELLING LINDA I FORGAVE HER, AND THAT TODAY I CHOSE TO LOVE HER WAS NOT ENOUGH.
you....YOU told the forum i needed to APOLOGIZE.
now, i am asking for an apology for they way you treated me in your previous ID and you did it SOLEY based on the fact that i am against Perfectionism (per Finney) and the NAR.
you started numerous slanderous threads about me, particularly one calling ME THE SPIRIT OF JEZEBEL. and you REVELLED IN IT.
thats the thing with the internet. stuff is PERMANENT.
did you not?
now if you feel it is your right to shame me after I POSTED to linda, and ask that i apologize to her. that's an agenda, and its you after me.
i'll wait here for your apology.
then we can start fresh.
or would you like to continue your charade?
YOU CRY FOR UNITY?
IT STARTS WITH TRUTH.
you claim humility?
THATS SPELLED HONESTY
you interfered, because you have an agenda against me. you and i BOTH KNOW IT.
now if you are capable of being HONEST for once, we can get somewhere.
YOU PUBLICALLY ATTEMPTED TO SHAME ME, BY SAYING MY POST TELLING LINDA I FORGAVE HER, AND THAT TODAY I CHOSE TO LOVE HER WAS NOT ENOUGH.
you....YOU told the forum i needed to APOLOGIZE.
now, i am asking for an apology for they way you treated me in your previous ID and you did it SOLEY based on the fact that i am against Perfectionism (per Finney) and the NAR.
you started numerous slanderous threads about me, particularly one calling ME THE SPIRIT OF JEZEBEL. and you REVELLED IN IT.
thats the thing with the internet. stuff is PERMANENT.
did you not?
now if you feel it is your right to shame me after I POSTED to linda, and ask that i apologize to her. that's an agenda, and its you after me.
i'll wait here for your apology.
then we can start fresh.
or would you like to continue your charade?
YOU CRY FOR UNITY?
IT STARTS WITH TRUTH.
you claim humility?
THATS SPELLED HONESTY
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Thats funny, we have a HUGE disagreement on prophesy and end times stuff. Yet you do not see Zone doing that to me. (even though it has Gotten heated. I know she still loves me, as I hope she knows I still love her. We are united on the one thing which matters. the gospel of Christ)
Why don't you apologize to her.
If nothing I have seen this from you. You down anyone who does not agree with your charismatic movement. Zone has treated me better in our disagreements than you have.
Why don't you apologize to her.
If nothing I have seen this from you. You down anyone who does not agree with your charismatic movement. Zone has treated me better in our disagreements than you have.
Romans 12:2
Therefore I urge you, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living and holy sacrifice, acceptable to God, which is your spiritual service of worship.
What does this mean? It's obviously a metaphor right? Unless you, like Cobus....think we should literally nail ourselves to a cross?
I say it means devoting your life to God. It means doing what the rest of the NT teaches that Chrsitians will do, which is to study the Word, bring forth fruit meets of repentance, and preach the Gospel. Just like God made us to do. His workmanship.
It DOESN'T mean become obsessed with making yourself COMPLETELY SINLESS AND PERFECT in deed, thought and act!
And WHAT is with the Hickory thing Rob? What does that even mean?
Therefore I urge you, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living and holy sacrifice, acceptable to God, which is your spiritual service of worship.
What does this mean? It's obviously a metaphor right? Unless you, like Cobus....think we should literally nail ourselves to a cross?
I say it means devoting your life to God. It means doing what the rest of the NT teaches that Chrsitians will do, which is to study the Word, bring forth fruit meets of repentance, and preach the Gospel. Just like God made us to do. His workmanship.
It DOESN'T mean become obsessed with making yourself COMPLETELY SINLESS AND PERFECT in deed, thought and act!
And WHAT is with the Hickory thing Rob? What does that even mean?
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I dont think Cobus ever said we should nail ourselves to the cross. Thats your twisiting of a mans words in sarcasm, which is really NOT very christian like.
A living sacrifce means YOU get up on the alter and Lay there and shut up. YOU no longer have a say in what you do. you OBEY JESUS. fully. and HE said deny self daily.
Yet, im under the strong impresion that you kinda embrace self daily. I may be wrong, please forgive me if you live most of your life in prayer asking the LORD to crucify every part of you he doesnt want in there. and begging him to make you more like HIM. Im sorry if you CRAVE and hunger and thrist after righteousness. THAT doesnt seem like somthing that is evident by the fruit you bare on here(or elsewhere). But i do NOT know you in everyday life, and i do NOT know what you do in secret. Jesus knows though. No one is obsessed in becomming sinless(, and ESPECIALLY not in there OWN effort.And i think ALL who think it is possible to stop sinning, belive it is deffinately NOT there own power doing it. I guess i cant speak for ALL, but i know MY bsession is NOT so much to be sinless, but to be conformed to the immage of JESUS. and JESUS never sinned. So if PAUL said we are crucified to self, and sin, and the world, yet we continue in sin, self and the world, do you think that YOU are in the immage of JESUS? Was PAUL in the imamge of Jesus? Are you even close to paul? its not of our own doing, its of our own NOT doing, its of our CEASING, nd resting, from SELF, desire. NO LONGER choosing to direct our life, no longer living in what WE THINK is good and or evil, THAT is eatign off of the tree, adn its NOT the tree of LIFE. the tree of LIFE is beign led by the spirit. CANT do that if you are choosing, becasue if YOU are choosing and not goign to GOD, then led by the spirit you are not, your jsut led by flesh. If you think you(or anyone) can have ANY part in Jesus without some effort on your own, to DENY SELF, or even to ask HIM daily what that means. HE will tell you. (in one way or another) you are sadly mistaken. Its JESUS words by which we are judged on the last day.
Hickory Dickory DOC....
Ok, now this has gone WAY to far, i really dont understand how every thread gets turned into an attack on belifes. thats such a trick of the devil and we ALL give into it every time.
So lets go BACK to the title of the thread at hand. WHAT would bring UNITY in the body. its not unified. you may think it is, but you are wrong. Truly. So what would it bring? I say Brokenness. 3 people are in agreement with that. Maybe 4(im not sure if anandahya agrees) Do you? Do you belive there can be unity while we there is Pride? while no one is humble? I dont.
It was either him or Ramon that said that we LITERALLY can sacrifice ourselves just like Jesus did. I will find the quote if you want. I think it was Ramon.
Huh?
So, dunno about all the brutal wording....but basically...sit back and watch the Holy Spirit bring about sanctification in your life?
Well, AGREED!
What are we arguing about?
Is that a psychologists term?
Actually no I dont do that. You see, I spend most of my life WORKING. Ya know....its that thing where you go out into the big ole world and GET A JOB! Thats coz I have my own family to support and I'm no longer a burden on my parents.
I pray without ceasing. Lords prayer daily. And when I have any special petitions for God, I ask Him. As for the begging and crucifying bizness...nah that sounds like pious weirdness. If you do that all day you must be the saddest guy on earth.
Crave and hunger? I dont need to. The Holy Spirit is taking care of my walk. You sound like someone desperate for something that you should have already been given. As for forum fruit...take a look at who's been bearing false witness all over the threads the last coupla dayz. All your perfectionist crowd.
You will be conformed to His image whe you are glorified in your incorruptable NON FLESH body. Patience young man. It's not happening. And your right. You dont know me.
Christians dont abide in sin. As for completely ceasing to sin in thought deed and act. Not.....gonna....happen. If you think you are or can...you delude yourself.
Ok so this all means, we dont choose to not abide in sin...we let the Holy Spirit do it. Agreed again. No need for a hundred words when one small sentence will suffice Rob.
All those who PROFESS Christianity will never be united, obviously cuz theres so much false doctrine and a great apostasy. Many will profess but still go into the fire.
All those who are TRUE Christians have always been and will always be united on the Gospel.
Huh?
So, dunno about all the brutal wording....but basically...sit back and watch the Holy Spirit bring about sanctification in your life?
Well, AGREED!
What are we arguing about?
Is that a psychologists term?
Actually no I dont do that. You see, I spend most of my life WORKING. Ya know....its that thing where you go out into the big ole world and GET A JOB! Thats coz I have my own family to support and I'm no longer a burden on my parents.
I pray without ceasing. Lords prayer daily. And when I have any special petitions for God, I ask Him. As for the begging and crucifying bizness...nah that sounds like pious weirdness. If you do that all day you must be the saddest guy on earth.
Crave and hunger? I dont need to. The Holy Spirit is taking care of my walk. You sound like someone desperate for something that you should have already been given. As for forum fruit...take a look at who's been bearing false witness all over the threads the last coupla dayz. All your perfectionist crowd.
You will be conformed to His image whe you are glorified in your incorruptable NON FLESH body. Patience young man. It's not happening. And your right. You dont know me.
Christians dont abide in sin. As for completely ceasing to sin in thought deed and act. Not.....gonna....happen. If you think you are or can...you delude yourself.
Ok so this all means, we dont choose to not abide in sin...we let the Holy Spirit do it. Agreed again. No need for a hundred words when one small sentence will suffice Rob.
All those who PROFESS Christianity will never be united, obviously cuz theres so much false doctrine and a great apostasy. Many will profess but still go into the fire.
All those who are TRUE Christians have always been and will always be united on the Gospel.