Christians are Israel

[Abiding]

How many of you, when you hear the term 'twelve tribes' actually think of the church instead of thinking of the twelve tribes of Israel? When James wrote his letter, He addressed that letter to the 'twelve tribes' scattered abroad. How many of you think that James (a converted Jew) was addressing His letter to the 'twelve tribes' of Israel or to the 'twelve tribes' of the church? If you believe he was addressing the 'twelve tribes of the church, please explain who those 'twelve tribes' are referring to.

In (Mt 19:27) who is Jesus referring to , who will sit on twelve thrones judging the 'twelve tribes' of Israel. Are these 'twelve tribes' the church, the true Israel? If they are the church then which tribe or tribes do the Gentiles belong to?

Who are the 'twelve tribes' that Paul refers to in (Acts 26:7)?

In (Rev 21:10,11) that great city, holy Jerusalem, shall descend out of heaven, having twelve gates with the name of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel. Who are the 'twelve tribes' referred to here by name?

In (Rev 7:4-8) there are 'twelve tribes' of the children of Israel referred to by name that equal 144,000 men from these tribes. Are we to think of these men as part of the church that is made of both Jew and Gentile or are these all children of Israel who are Jews from birth?

Has God en-grafted Gentiles into the Jewish stock of these twelve tribes?

It is so clear and evident that Paul makes a distinction between those of Israel and those of the Gentiles. They are never commingled. God has made both one when both the Jew of Israel and the Gentile of the world believe upon the Son for salvation. They are not commingled but they are made one. The Gentile becomes a child of God and not a child of Israel. Paul never considered himself a Gentile the whole time he was an apostle to the Gentiles and he made that very clear. Peter went to the children of Israel and Paul went to the Gentiles. Never does a child of Israel become a Gentile nor a Gentile become a child of Israel.

Israel was God's elect people and the gospel was given to them and is of them as the Jews. Those of the Jews that believed became the remnant of the Jews that took the gospel to the Gentiles in all the world, but it was given to the Jews first and then to the Gentiles. The church is made of both Jew and Gentile who believe. The twelve tribes of the children of Israel have nothing to do with the church and never have no matter how much people try to make it so. The believing Jew is part of the church as well as the Gentile and there is no partiality or special privilege in being a Jew.

When Jesus came unto His own and His own received Him not, those that He came to were not the Gentiles, they were the Jews and they rejected Him as the Messiah and they crucified Him and Peter made that very clear when he preached at Pentecost.

Huh? Are the 12 tribes a reference to Israel? Is Israel as a whole also known as "the commonwealth of Israel"? Your trying to say that jew and gentile make up the church and stay seperate?

 

[Red33]

what people?
what hate?

last time i checked it's not me passing hate laws and thought crime laws.
we're PC'd to death so that just being upfront about what the Bible says, what Jesus said is now hate.
and this is unfaithfulness on our part.

what disgusts me is that the church has bought into the most obvious sleight-of-hand and hoax in spite of the very warnings this would happen.

Beware the Leaven of the Pharisees.

we have set up a (false) people/country/false religion as the object of our devotion and faith, we have pushed Jesus and His church to the side as a BLIP in a fantasy scenario.
everything we have that should have gone to Christians first and the spreading of the Gospel has gone to a Fascist Racist country in the Middle East.

MILLIONS murdered! and millions more to go.

a straight and simple reading of the bible knows absolutely nothing of this dispensational nonsense.
it's not in there!

but it's written into the footnotes of counterfeit Bibles bought and paid for by a certain small cabal.
Untermeyer and Oxford paid Scofield to completely rewrite Redemptive History.

it's all BOGUS

The REAL ZONE is coming out now and just wait to see what she has in store. We have heard it once before but now it will come with more force and a little more tact, not to offend so many, but it will. Zone is bent on these things and is hardened in her heart. She is not liberated by any of this and does not understand what God has promised His elect Israel. It is typically contrived and there is definite resentment toward anything that involves dipensational truth or that is contrary to her studies or sources she had used.

Zone does not understand the mercy of God and the ability God has to harden and to give mercy. If any told her or suggested that God hardened the heart of Israel to reject the Messiah so that the God could bring salvation to the Gentiles, I wonder what she would say then. God brought a proud and obstinate people out of the land of Egypt and gave them a cloud by day and fire by night, water out of a rock, quail and manna from the heavens, shoes that did not wear out, the law from the mount, the tabernacle, the Levite priesthood and promises that involved the promised land that most did not enter.

He did all this knowing what was in their hearts for they murmured and complained but He brought them into the wilderness to try them and He will do the same with His elect Israel in the time of the Jacob's trouble and He will appear to them and when they see Him (not the Gentiles but the children of Israel) they will recognize Him as their Messiah that has come to save them and finally put away their sin of unbelief, but they will have to be chastised severely to soften their hearts and to cry out to the Lord like they did under the burden of Egypt, so that He can have mercy upon them.

 

[Red33]

Huh? Are the 12 tribes a reference to Israel? Is Israel as a whole also known as "the commonwealth of Israel"? Your trying to say that jew and gentile make up the church and stay seperate?

Think again!

 

[Bookends]

I think we would know by the way they thought in the day. Everyone knew what Isreal was. Everyone knew what it meant to be 12 tribes. and everyone would have understood things from this perspective.

It was not until much later that the church got away from using these terms and started to take them as symbols rather than taking them literally. (remember also. John, being of the 12 tribes, would have understood this also. He was brought up with OT theology so this is how he would have based things.

I also think it is pure speculation to think otherwise..or as you believe, that John meant it not in a literal sense. but symbolic sense. so I guess it could go both ways correct?

Well the original 12 tribes in Jerusalem who were converts knew the the old system was vanishing; Hebrews 8:13, "When He said, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear." So put this fact in the back of your mind, why would James call the Christians in Israel the 12 tribes? Verse 2 answers this...They were going through tremendous tribulation. But James ends his book in a positive edifying note, chapter 5, (7) "to be patient, brethren, until the coming of the Lord" (in judgment)...EG you said yourself that James is writing to specifically Jewish Christians, and the book of James is not a book of prophecy and prophetic events. Did the 1st century Jews Christians see the coming of the Lord? Not in the sense of the 2nd Advent, but in vindication, and James explains this in the following verses 8 and 9, "coming of the Lord is at Hand" and "Behold, the Judge is standing at the door!"

The main point, James called the Christians in Israel the 12 tribes because he was addressing them specifically (maybe, or the whole Roman region of believers, the Jews were spread all over) , and sense James was addressing Christians we can by association claim that true Israel a spiritual nation and a continuation of the old with new and better promises. I don't have time to get into all the details, but you heard the argument before.

I know we disagree on this, but I still love yah...

 

[Abiding]

Paul did not say they were given 40 years. He said they were blinded in part until the fulness of the gentiles has come

news flash. the fulness of the gentiles has not come yet. They STILL control Jerusalem. And they STILL are the majority of the church.

You can keep saying no gap all you want. You will not convince me. you have shown absolutely no proof there is no gap. only speculation. And youi did not help yourself saying paul said they only had 40 years.

this is messy EG your mixing up the fullness of the gentiles and the times of the gentiles
the fullness of the gentiles Paul fulfilled in his day.

All Israel..."will be saved" ABSOLUTLY. No doubt about it if you listen to Pauls point "all the remnant"
Have to go back and read who is true Israel. Come on unbelievers dont get saved...remember?

 

[Abiding]

Think again!

Deflecting again....and playing games...yawn yawn oh excuse me.
you never answer questions. dont bother asking them.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

"Jerusalem got 40 years to repent. then she was leveled. just as prophesied."

i never said Paul said it.
that's what's they they got before Titus came.
just under 40 years.

total destruction.

today is a carnal counterfeit.
that land is covered with innocent blood.
the people who set up the State of Israel aren't ancient israelites.
they're Gog/Magog. and so are the helpers in America and Britian and Canada and everywhere else the Zionist agenda rules (thanks to Scofield and Dispensational heresy)
and they're just getting started.

Global Gulag coming.

the destruction was prophesied to happen immediately after messiah was cut off. And it happened. God fulfilled his prophesy. but then daniel was told of things which must happen past this event. then would come the end. Jesus also spoke of these things in matt 24. Things which until the last 100 years could not even have been fulfilled. Daniel was told of a little horn coming out of rome, events which till this day have yet to happen (and no edom was not one of the kings. Daniel was told the little horn would come OUT of the ten kings. it did not say he would appoint the ten kings. Ceasar appointed herod. He did not come out of herods ten kingdom empire and take over.

daniel was told the 70 weeks would make an end of isreals rebellion, and restor things to the way they were supposed to happen. not happened yet. this daniels prophesy CAN NOT BE FULFILLED YET.

Paul said Gentile believers should not be proud. because there will come a day when they through unbelief will be cut back off, and isreal grafted back in. in that day, as the prophesys say, ALL isreal will be saved.

that did not happen in 70 AD. period! To many events we are told would happen have not happened yet. We can not try to force events on earth which may appear to look like something, but are not literal fulfilments to make it a symbolic fulfillment and say it is done. God does not do prophesy this way.

 

[Agricola]

Does this mean I can get an Israeli passport and live there?

Replacement theology is a wicked and evil lie.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

jews today trace their jewishness through their mother.
not their father.

there are no records of lineage. all gone.

sp God does not know who are jewish, who are isreal? he does not see the two kingdoms, which he promised to bring back and place them back in their land, destroy ALl the gentile nations who treated them badly, and give them peace from their enemies? he is incapable of doing this? And do not say he fulfilled it in the later years of the BC time period. he did not, they did not live in peace. nor did they own their land, they were slaves of greece, then rome in that time period.

judaism has nothing to do with the OT.
it's Mystery, Babylon.

1. I never said it did. isreal is still in rebellion. Why do you think I think otherwise? You know I am not a jew lover dispy, yet we keep going over this.

2. They are not mystery babylon. They are playing the harlot.

when Christianity became the True Faith, the True Fulfillment of authentic Judaism (Moses) when Jesus came, unbelieving jews fell into a ditch and followed Talmud, the oral Traditions, and it is a vile and dead end religion.
evil.

yeah it is a dead end religion. why do you think God told them he would have to put them through serious trouble (called jacobs trouble, a time which will be more severe than any seen on earth before or after) to get them to stop playing the harlot with their false gods and repent and be restored to him?? we just ignore all these prophesies. it is going exactly as planned.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I sure hope you don't base it on culture/race/religion.

This guy is a little over the top, but for the most part... from what I have seen dispys say themselves, this guy is more right than wrong.


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lol. I can not see it. this computer will nto show video. But yes. many dispys go off the deep end.. you will see I hope as you read my responses. I separate myself from most dispies. I do not have a great love for Isreal today any more than I love any other person.. I do not feel we need to protect them. God will do what he wants with them, no matter what the US or any other nation does.

 

[Abiding]

That country in the Middle East called Israel has plenty of Old Testament Scriptures prophesying their dispersal into the four corners of the earth, to be mistreated wherever they fled but in the latter days God would bring them back into their land and they would no longer be two nations but one. To these same people God said He would bless those who blessed Abraham and his seed and curse those who cursed them.
The Acts 1:6-7 passage, I see hasn't been answered, implying Israel being the center of an earthly Theocracy in the future. The disciples having just spent 3yrs. with Jesus would have known better not to ask this if it weren't a future event.
The early Church being predominately Jewish was Millennial in it's eschatology. It was as the Gentiles became the overwhelming populace in the Church. Increasingly Greek thought with it's Platonic influence played heavily in turning a literal view of Scripture into a playground of allegories and spiritualizing of the Text. Thus many OT prophecies literally pointing to Israel were spiritualized to include or worse to have the Church replace Israel. Unfortunately in this area the Church Fathers heavily influenced the Reformers like Luther and Zwingli and Calvin, especially the latter two.
It's funny that the Church willingly embraces the promises to Israel but not the curses.
Yes we have 'spiritual' Israel who by faith are believers in Yeshua and comprise both Jew and Gentile. Yet there still is a plan of God to deal with national Israel, including bringing them back into the Land, putting them through Jacob's trouble and revealing Himself plainly to them.
Consider this. Up to the time of Christ's first coming all of God's predictions had literal fulfillment, why all of a sudden they take on some kind of a spiritualized Gnostic fulfillment?

sorry i got this peave: jacobs trouble was 70 in babylon.....where does it say thats gona be a rerun?

 

[zone]

Does this mean I can get an Israeli passport and live there?

ask jews who have converted to Christianity if they are welcome.
ask indigenous arab christians if they feel like the chosen people of God.

Replacement theology is a wicked and evil lie.

replacement theology is a misnomer.
there's nothing to replace.

believing israelites entered the New Covenant (they were promised) and Christ's Church.

they are called Christians. believing gentiles also entered. they are called christians.

those who don't believe do not enter the New Covenant, and are headed for hell.
whether they identify as jews or gentiles.

 

[Abiding]

These verses of scripture are a plague to the 'amillennialist' and they want nothing to do with the real meaning and what they speak to concerning the nation and people of Israel who have been set aside in unbelief. They have a fit with them and they can do nothing but spirtualize some contrived meaning for the sake of their own sanity in what they believe. If they could they would deem them uninspired and reject them as something added to God's whole counsel, but they can't do that and they come up with some half cocked explanation that leaves the average believer shaking their head in bewilderment, as if to say 'what in the world are you talking about and what planet are you from'?

Paul is very clear in what he is communicating, but these 'amillennialist' don't want any part of it and they stay away from this chapter in (Rom 11). There is no other conclusion to make except that they treat this passage of (Rom 11) in a deceitful manner (reading from others who do the same) and there are motives involved in that treatment that they don't want you to know, secret stuff that they keep hidden in the chamber of their imaginations along with the liberty of a few adult beverages to go with it. You just don't see any 'cutsie' pictures flashing of these things on this site.

Not really Red how would you know anyway? you only pop off. You never come in a study and discuss.
your just a drive by shooter.

I love Romans 9-11. But cherrypicking verses is naughty naughty ok?
If it wernt for romans 9-11 i may have never seen the light.
Ph ya i like to throw in romans 2:28 into that set.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Consider this. Up to the time of Christ's first coming all of God's predictions had literal fulfillment, why all of a sudden they take on some kind of a spiritualized Gnostic fulfillment?

1. If you look back at the NT. who was the churches greatest enemy? These Pharisaical Jews and their influence of trying to add law to grace. They were even more influential than the pagans. who also were an enemy of the church.

2. History of hatred of the jews was rampant, even in this time, especially by rome. it is why they destroyed the city and temple. and scattered them everywhere.

3. The jews crucified Christ. How can God ever forgive them? and why would God ever restore them? after they did this????

4. In the third century, Satan concocted a great plan. Lets take this christian movement (which at this time was prety powerful influence) and control it ourselves. lets mix pagan ritual and sacament, Change its name to a christian form. and enforce this new religion on the world we control (the birth of romanism)

Since we hate Isreal. and WE are the church (rome) And Israel committed such horrible sins. God can;t be thinking of continuing his promise to them. So he gave it to us, however, literal interpretation of scripture is hurting us.. for one. most of our sacraments we want to add can not be found in scripture at all, or can not be found with literal interpretation of the word. so we better change the interpretation of these passages to support us. And God said Isreal will be restored. so this can;t be true. so we better do the same here. get away from literal, and move to symbolic.

History shows this happened around the end of the 3rd to the beginning of the 4th century AD.

At the time of the reformation. when people finally had the guts to get out of this roman pagan religion (babylon), Roman influence and the hatred of jews were still rampant. Luther is well documented to be an avid hater of Isreal, he even wrote a thesis or book on it. This same book which Hitler used in his attempt to erradicate all people of Isreal off the face of the earth (I thing satan has been trying to do since their inception, but has utterly failed to do) which is why most reformers still by into this ammilenial aspect of doctrine, and symbolic interpretation of scripture.

The early reformers hated rome, many men lost their lives in the war between rom and protestantism. they also had to fight the new islamic revolution. and they still had their hatred for jews.

as the roman church will use the excuse no one believed other than they did for over a thousands years, thus they must be right. ammililenialists will use the same excuses against the return of Isreal. No one believed it before, so it can;t be true (with this line of thought, the roman church must be the true church)

I do not believe they are as anti rome or anti jewish in their thinking today. although sometimes I wonder if some people are.. it comes through in the way they think.. I just do not think this anti isreal thought and hatred is where their belief comes from.

 

[Abiding]

The REAL ZONE is coming out now and just wait to see what she has in store. We have heard it once before but now it will come with more force and a little more tact, not to offend so many, but it will. Zone is bent on these things and is hardened in her heart. She is not liberated by any of this and does not understand what God has promised His elect Israel. It is typically contrived and there is definite resentment toward anything that involves dipensational truth or that is contrary to her studies or sources she had used.

Zone does not understand the mercy of God and the ability God has to harden and to give mercy. If any told her or suggested that God hardened the heart of Israel to reject the Messiah so that the God could bring salvation to the Gentiles, I wonder what she would say then. God brought a proud and obstinate people out of the land of Egypt and gave them a cloud by day and fire by night, water out of a rock, quail and manna from the heavens, shoes that did not wear out, the law from the mount, the tabernacle, the Levite priesthood and promises that involved the promised land that most did not enter.

He did all this knowing what was in their hearts for they murmured and complained but He brought them into the wilderness to try them and He will do the same with His elect Israel in the time of the Jacob's trouble and He will appear to them and when they see Him (not the Gentiles but the children of Israel) they will recognize Him as their Messiah that has come to save them and finally put away their sin of unbelief, but they will have to be chastised severely to soften their hearts and to cry out to the Lord like they did under the burden of Egypt, so that He can have mercy upon them.

talk talk talk slander slander yawn go get a bible red and come back. would ya

1 show me jacobs trouble......youl turn Red on this one but then thats yur name right?

2 oh so all till the end go to hell hardened then "all" in the future will be saved? is that what your saying?

3 what? they wiil see Him? who? Israel? like the one whom they pierced? go read the gospel of John
that already been fulfilled.

4 have some respect this is a bible forum...go get your bible

 

[Red33]

Deflecting again....and playing games...yawn yawn oh excuse me.
you never answer questions. dont bother asking them.

Deflecting is when you answer a series of questions with a question. Isn't that what you did? If you don't want to answer the post that is fine, then stay silent and let others. That is the easy thing and you don't get any backlash. You seem to have some reasonableness, so you just might agree.

 

[zone]

daniel was told the 70 weeks would make an end of isreals rebellion, and restor things to the way they were supposed to happen. not happened yet. this daniels prophesy CAN NOT BE FULFILLED YET.

what did Jesus accomplish on the Cross, and what did God say about His Work when He raised Him from the grave?
are the sins of those who believe forgiven or not?
nearly all the first christians were israelites. did Daniel's prophecy come true for them or not?

did God make an end to Israel's great transgression against Him?
Jesus made a full end of the Law for righteousness.
He paid the sin debt.
He fulfilled the Law.
He brought in everlasting righteousness for all who believe.
on Judgment Day His Righteousness and Justice on all unforgiven sin will be manifest and carried out.

if Daniel 9 isn't fulfilled, not a single one of us is saved. not Paul, Peter, James, Moses, Abraham....without the Finished Work of the Cross and Resurrection, we are all men most miserable, to be pitied.

is it ever said anywhere every jew (or gentile) who ever lived, or every jew (or gentile) alive in 2012 or 2050 must believe (whether they want to or not)?

i know you do not hold to pretrib rapture; where the church has to be "removed" from the earth so God can go back to His REAL Plan, Plan A - jews He blinded for 2 millennia (allowing untold millions to die in their sins so He could give future unbelieving jews some soil in Jerusalem???) while He scrambled to put together a gentile church....which has jews in it, so i have no clue where this stuff comes from.

how did my friend, raised jewish, now christian escape the GAP theory blindness?
how come he left the Israeli State when he saw what it really stands for.... in spite of the highly unusual dual citizenship clause no matter where he lives? shouldn't he have stayed there to fulfill prophecy?

why is he actually condemned by orthodox jews (technically with a death sentence on him - see Rambam) as the worst of all apostates and unwelcome in the country his non-christian mother is welcome in?

just read this for what it says. it's simple:

Daniel 9
24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

the 70th week was just like the other 69.
the 70th week followed right on the back of the 69th.

why on earth would there be a GAP?
why?

love you EG.

 

[Red33]

talk talk talk slander slander yawn go get a bible red and come back. would ya

1 show me jacobs trouble......youl turn Red on this one but then thats yur name right?

2 oh so all till the end go to hell hardened then "all" in the future will be saved? is that what your saying?

3 what? they wiil see Him? who? Israel? like the one whom they pierced? go read the gospel of John
that already been fulfilled.

4 have some respect this is a bible forum...go get your bible

As least the post (mine) is coherent so that others can understand and judge for themselves the reality and truth of what has been expressed. We will see. Your shirt is showing as well.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

why get bogged down with the twelve tribes....call them Israel. Paul said only the believers were true Israel.
The believing remnant of Israel are on the vine with gentiles. one new man. Makes believing gentiles Israel.<-----------------thats a period

after paul said this. he commanded these believing gentiles do not get puffed up in pride. for one day, when their time is fulfilled, there will be a falling away, and at this time, ALL ISREAL WILL BE SAVED........thats a period!!

he went on to say Isreal (the nation) is hated for the gospel (even though there is a remnant) but beloved for the promises, The promises of God are irrevocable..

if the church is isreal these comments make no sense.

1. We must hate the church because of the gospel. but love it because of the promises?? talk about a contradiction.. why would we hate ourselves?

2. Since the church is ALL saved even at that time (everyone in the true church had already been saved) it makes no sense to say one day all the church will be saved, they already are..

3. It makes no sense for Paul to tell the believing gentile church not to be so puffed up in pride about getting grafted in. Because just as the nation of Isreal were "cut off" in unbelief" we to can be cut off (speaking to gentile believers only) for unbelief also.. then states as a matter of fact this will happen, and when it does. isreal will be grafted back in.

 

[zone]

History of hatred of the jews was rampant, even in this time, especially by rome. it is why they destroyed the city and temple. and scattered them everywhere.

70AD was decreed by JESUS.
He pronounced the Old Covenant Curses upon those who did not seek His Righteousness by faith.

Luke 19
The Parable of the Ten Minas
11As they heard these things, he proceeded to tell a parable, because he was near to Jerusalem, and because they supposed that the kingdom of God was to appear immediately. 12He said therefore, &#8220;A nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom and then return. 13Calling ten of his servants,a he gave them ten minas,b and said to them, &#8216;Engage in business until I come.&#8217; 14But his citizens hated him and sent a delegation after him, saying, &#8216;We do not want this man to reign over us.&#8217; 15When he returned, having received the kingdom, he ordered these servants to whom he had given the money to be called to him, that he might know what they had gained by doing business. 16The first came before him, saying, &#8216;Lord, your mina has made ten minas more.&#8217; 17And he said to him, &#8216;Well done, good servant!c Because you have been faithful in a very little, you shall have authority over ten cities.&#8217; 18And the second came, saying, &#8216;Lord, your mina has made five minas.&#8217; 19And he said to him, &#8216;And you are to be over five cities.&#8217; 20Then another came, saying, &#8216;Lord, here is your mina, which I kept laid away in a handkerchief; 21for I was afraid of you, because you are a severe man. You take what you did not deposit, and reap what you did not sow.&#8217; 22He said to him, &#8216;I will condemn you with your own words, you wicked servant! You knew that I was a severe man, taking what I did not deposit and reaping what I did not sow? 23Why then did you not put my money in the bank, and at my coming I might have collected it with interest?&#8217; 24And he said to those who stood by, &#8216;Take the mina from him, and give it to the one who has the ten minas.&#8217; 25And they said to him, &#8216;Lord, he has ten minas!&#8217; 26&#8216;I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. 27 But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me.&#8217;&#8221;

Luke 19
Jesus Weeps over Jerusalem
41And when he drew near and saw the city, he wept over it, 42saying, &#8220;Would that you, even you, had known on this day the things that make for peace! But now they are hidden from your eyes. 43For the days will come upon you, when your enemies will set up a barricade around you and surround you and hem you in on every side 44and tear you down to the ground, you and your children within you. And they will not leave one stone upon another in you, because you did not know the time of your visitation.&#8221;

Matthew 13:13
And from him who has it not, will be taken even that which he has, therefore I am speaking to them in parables because they who see do not see, and those who hear neither hear nor understand.
Aramaic BIPE