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I confess..........
When I was asked to name names and point the finger, i told EG to go ask the devil because that would be his works, not mine.
This was taken as accusing........
When I make mention of people, unbelievers or agents of teh enemy creeping in amongst us, it is not for me to name names......
Anyone here thinking or sayin g I have accused anyone in particular simply does not know kGod's Wordf.
I always keep in mind there are those who are disobedient by His will.......how could I jusdge anyone?
As for judgment, this is not handed over to the saits as yet......this too, I always keep in mind.
So, EG, you are asking me to counter God's Word, my Father's Word. Please bear this in mind.
For anyone who professes to believe God, Jesus, to begin judging souls to damnation here in this age is beginning to reign without the KIng present this is not to be so.
It is a pity so many confuse judging for ourselves what is right (pivotal word here pirseñves= wotj eternal judgment, this is also a great bereavement.
Do not ask anyone to point the finger or name names, there is already plenty of that walking in this age now.
When I was asked to name names and point the finger, i told EG to go ask the devil because that would be his works, not mine.
This was taken as accusing........
When I make mention of people, unbelievers or agents of teh enemy creeping in amongst us, it is not for me to name names......
Anyone here thinking or sayin g I have accused anyone in particular simply does not know kGod's Wordf.
I always keep in mind there are those who are disobedient by His will.......how could I jusdge anyone?
As for judgment, this is not handed over to the saits as yet......this too, I always keep in mind.
So, EG, you are asking me to counter God's Word, my Father's Word. Please bear this in mind.
For anyone who professes to believe God, Jesus, to begin judging souls to damnation here in this age is beginning to reign without the KIng present this is not to be so.
It is a pity so many confuse judging for ourselves what is right (pivotal word here pirseñves= wotj eternal judgment, this is also a great bereavement.
Do not ask anyone to point the finger or name names, there is already plenty of that walking in this age now.
I must reiterate for other accusers.
I read and sstudy Paul's teachings, and because of what he teches, I know, not being a member of any of the assemblies he wwrites abbout specific problems, tha it is perfectly fine for me to learn about Salvation, behavior, love, the law and commandments and just anyuthing, directly from God.
As I have repeated to deaf ears many times, I do read adn learn ab out much from pAUl, but even according to his own teaching, Jesus is just alright with me, alone, for this is learning from God, Himself, and we are invited by Him to do just this.
So yes, no one needs Paul to learn truth if he is learning from Jesus Christ by the Holy Spirit... I know as I was first reading the Word and sharing it, the Holy Spirit would give me the words to share with others prvious to actually reading them the first time.
Do not say it is wrong to know this, for it is of the Holy Spirit...
I read and sstudy Paul's teachings, and because of what he teches, I know, not being a member of any of the assemblies he wwrites abbout specific problems, tha it is perfectly fine for me to learn about Salvation, behavior, love, the law and commandments and just anyuthing, directly from God.
As I have repeated to deaf ears many times, I do read adn learn ab out much from pAUl, but even according to his own teaching, Jesus is just alright with me, alone, for this is learning from God, Himself, and we are invited by Him to do just this.
So yes, no one needs Paul to learn truth if he is learning from Jesus Christ by the Holy Spirit... I know as I was first reading the Word and sharing it, the Holy Spirit would give me the words to share with others prvious to actually reading them the first time.
Do not say it is wrong to know this, for it is of the Holy Spirit...
The Lamb of God was firsst mentioned in Gnesis to Abraham when he was the first I know of to foresee God supplying Himself as a sacrifice. Later in the Psalms and Prophets, Jesus is described and even named in Zechariah when the High Priest, Joshua, is mentioned and given the mission to take away the sin of mankind in one day.
Joshuia is teh same as Jesus, only it is an earlier lingual version of Yeshua, then Yahoshua. This is not important, the Holy Spirit reeveals all.
Joshuia is teh same as Jesus, only it is an earlier lingual version of Yeshua, then Yahoshua. This is not important, the Holy Spirit reeveals all.
Jesus was revealed to be the Saviour of the world. Then the revelation that was given only to Paul Jaume, proclaim what all this entails.
So to say Paul is not needed, is IMO, error.
perhaps then, there is where tribes are good. Known too as denominations.
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So to say Paul is not needed, is IMO, error.
perhaps then, there is where tribes are good. Known too as denominations.
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My study of Paul over the decades, tells me it is perfectly justified to learn from God, directly. If you go back and read or go forward and read what is said about Paul, you will find dyes, Paul does teach, but he also informs me and all that the gospel is of Jesus Christ, and this is what he is teaching.
Those revelations, to which only he was privvy at first, were abut what he was going to experience. Quite frankly, even I have had a revelation or two of what I was to experience, and it really does not concern anyong else, however Paul did share his because he was gien to be a teachier. I have been given to simply share, since I am not prphesied in the word......neither is Paul for that matter.
Those revelations, to which only he was privvy at first, were abut what he was going to experience. Quite frankly, even I have had a revelation or two of what I was to experience, and it really does not concern anyong else, however Paul did share his because he was gien to be a teachier. I have been given to simply share, since I am not prphesied in the word......neither is Paul for that matter.
Actually it is when the wind and floods come that one will know they are built upon the Rock that secured them... all we can do is Believe above all else.
It is no coincidence that Paul’s writings become a heated topic.. Even the name Saul is quite fitting...
What Jaumej is trying to relay is that if someone tells you the Lord said.. and you counter with a Paul said.. you may be wrestling and not understanding what Paul said after all.. I remember my first encounter of reading Paul’s writings..
An example ..
The Lord said Keep even the least Commandment... yet Paul said those that are justified by the law Christ becomes no effect to you.... you have fallen from Grace.. etc..
Now what Paul actually taught is that if you are circumcised you are partaking in the Old Covenant.. rather than remain in the Faith of the New Covenant.. where the Lord said Keep the Commandments...
So if you believe otherwise it is because you did not build your house on the Rock.. for you would know that Paul never taught against the Lord’s Testament.. He was advocating the New Covenant where the Just shall live by Faith.. where GOD writes His Law in hearts and put them in minds... many were being compelled and seduced in to being unfaithful and attempting to marry the dead husband(Old Covenant) so to speak.. and be circumcised and then would of received the law of Moses rather than Believe the Good Shepherd...
It is no coincidence that Paul’s writings become a heated topic.. Even the name Saul is quite fitting...
What Jaumej is trying to relay is that if someone tells you the Lord said.. and you counter with a Paul said.. you may be wrestling and not understanding what Paul said after all.. I remember my first encounter of reading Paul’s writings..
An example ..
The Lord said Keep even the least Commandment... yet Paul said those that are justified by the law Christ becomes no effect to you.... you have fallen from Grace.. etc..
Now what Paul actually taught is that if you are circumcised you are partaking in the Old Covenant.. rather than remain in the Faith of the New Covenant.. where the Lord said Keep the Commandments...
So if you believe otherwise it is because you did not build your house on the Rock.. for you would know that Paul never taught against the Lord’s Testament.. He was advocating the New Covenant where the Just shall live by Faith.. where GOD writes His Law in hearts and put them in minds... many were being compelled and seduced in to being unfaithful and attempting to marry the dead husband(Old Covenant) so to speak.. and be circumcised and then would of received the law of Moses rather than Believe the Good Shepherd...
No one is justified by keeping the law, but all should obey God. The law is totally revealed by Jesus Christ's teaching. We should all obey Jesus Christ.
If you want to follow Paul only, you are going to run into many walls.
It is paul who says the law is fulfilled, and so many take this to mean it is obsolete.
It is Paul who says the law is confirmed by faith, and it is.
There are many writings of Paul that seem to conflict and so many without understanding will use whatever they select as the final word according to their own interpretation.
No matter of the Word is a person's own interpretation, rather understanding only comes from the Holy Spirit, for the written word alone kills.
When Jesus teaches on any given subject, Paul is confirmed, but Paul will never be understood by the weilders without knowing from God, that is, from Jesus.
If you want to follow Paul only, you are going to run into many walls.
It is paul who says the law is fulfilled, and so many take this to mean it is obsolete.
It is Paul who says the law is confirmed by faith, and it is.
There are many writings of Paul that seem to conflict and so many without understanding will use whatever they select as the final word according to their own interpretation.
No matter of the Word is a person's own interpretation, rather understanding only comes from the Holy Spirit, for the written word alone kills.
When Jesus teaches on any given subject, Paul is confirmed, but Paul will never be understood by the weilders without knowing from God, that is, from Jesus.
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JJ, Why do you do this? This is not what happened.
Your second post stated I interpret paul the way I wanted to. Not the way God intended.
I responded by saying we fullfill the law by Love of God, and by learning to love others (which is what CHrist said)
Then I asked someone if they agreed with me that we are sanctified not by law, But by Love and by grace and mercy.
And you said “No, You believe what jesus said” (which dumbfounded me, because that is what Jesus said, Love fulfills the law.)
Then I asked you what jesus said, and replied thast I was not saying you or others were saying anything (although by your responses it certainly appeared you believers we were sanctified (not justified) by following the law.
You never (as usual) responded to me by telling me what Jesu ssaid.
Instead. You seemed to agree with me that no one is sanctified by works or obedience. But then attacked me again (unprovoked) by saying anyone who disobeyed will fall Then claimed I must have Paul as my sole teacher. Then insinuated I thought the commands of God we’re to be overlooked.
Then you judged me, by claiming I just give lip service, and believing is more than just saying we believe in Jesus and said I should not say we are not to continue to work after we are saved. And claiming all who are saved KNOW THIS (evidently insinuating I must not be saved because I do not know this)
and this this argument got off to where it is now.
I asked you to show me where I ever spoke of disobedience.
I then stated I was not talking about being saved, I was talking about christian growth. And how this happens. And wanted to discuss how we get the power to overcome sin.
And then I stated the ;aw can not show us every sin possible., it was not designed to do that (as part of the discussion about sanctification)
Your response., I only pass what is pleasing to me, But I omit the lions version.
So I asked you
1. Show me where I EVER said it was ok to be disobedient,
2. I showed my discussion was about how to get the power to overcome sin (how to be obedient)
3. To show me you understand what I am really saying, And how I am wrong in what I said, and again, prove to me I teach disobedience is ok.
Your response. Shame Shame on me for twisting your words, and inventing meanings.
That is our issue JJ. The issue is not doctrinal. The issue is you judged me, You stated I said things I never said or ever taught, and how I twisted yor words. When I did not. I just stated what you said, and asked you to explain why you think I believe such things.
That is the issue.. No, it is not that you just said you asked me to go ask satan, I mean get real here man.. You make it sound as if it is a minor issue which can be brushed off.. Making false accusations against a brother is not something that can be brushed off.
And then you end with the same response. I am asking you to counter God and you will not do that.
I AM NOT ASKING YOU TO DO THAT, I AM ASKING YOU TO BACK YOUR ACCUSATIONS.. how many more times does this need to be said for you to understand?
And finally, I have tried to let this die how many times now? yet it keeps getting brought up. Why is this? Do you think you can just act like your asking for forgiveness by showing you did one thing which I never even complained about and all will be ok?
Forgiveness is of grace. I do not need you to repent for forgiveness, you already have it. But repentance is required for healing, You need to do it for your sake. Not mine.
Your second post stated I interpret paul the way I wanted to. Not the way God intended.
I responded by saying we fullfill the law by Love of God, and by learning to love others (which is what CHrist said)
Then I asked someone if they agreed with me that we are sanctified not by law, But by Love and by grace and mercy.
And you said “No, You believe what jesus said” (which dumbfounded me, because that is what Jesus said, Love fulfills the law.)
Then I asked you what jesus said, and replied thast I was not saying you or others were saying anything (although by your responses it certainly appeared you believers we were sanctified (not justified) by following the law.
You never (as usual) responded to me by telling me what Jesu ssaid.
Instead. You seemed to agree with me that no one is sanctified by works or obedience. But then attacked me again (unprovoked) by saying anyone who disobeyed will fall Then claimed I must have Paul as my sole teacher. Then insinuated I thought the commands of God we’re to be overlooked.
Then you judged me, by claiming I just give lip service, and believing is more than just saying we believe in Jesus and said I should not say we are not to continue to work after we are saved. And claiming all who are saved KNOW THIS (evidently insinuating I must not be saved because I do not know this)
and this this argument got off to where it is now.
I asked you to show me where I ever spoke of disobedience.
I then stated I was not talking about being saved, I was talking about christian growth. And how this happens. And wanted to discuss how we get the power to overcome sin.
And then I stated the ;aw can not show us every sin possible., it was not designed to do that (as part of the discussion about sanctification)
Your response., I only pass what is pleasing to me, But I omit the lions version.
So I asked you
1. Show me where I EVER said it was ok to be disobedient,
2. I showed my discussion was about how to get the power to overcome sin (how to be obedient)
3. To show me you understand what I am really saying, And how I am wrong in what I said, and again, prove to me I teach disobedience is ok.
Your response. Shame Shame on me for twisting your words, and inventing meanings.
That is our issue JJ. The issue is not doctrinal. The issue is you judged me, You stated I said things I never said or ever taught, and how I twisted yor words. When I did not. I just stated what you said, and asked you to explain why you think I believe such things.
That is the issue.. No, it is not that you just said you asked me to go ask satan, I mean get real here man.. You make it sound as if it is a minor issue which can be brushed off.. Making false accusations against a brother is not something that can be brushed off.
And then you end with the same response. I am asking you to counter God and you will not do that.
I AM NOT ASKING YOU TO DO THAT, I AM ASKING YOU TO BACK YOUR ACCUSATIONS.. how many more times does this need to be said for you to understand?
And finally, I have tried to let this die how many times now? yet it keeps getting brought up. Why is this? Do you think you can just act like your asking for forgiveness by showing you did one thing which I never even complained about and all will be ok?
Forgiveness is of grace. I do not need you to repent for forgiveness, you already have it. But repentance is required for healing, You need to do it for your sake. Not mine.
E
so tell us,. Why did God think it was important for Pauls letters to be added to the cannon of scripture? You think maybe because his words were very important? And we should all take head.
Scriptue says ALL of the words are inspired and we bleed to take them all. Not just the parts we think are important.
Scriptue says ALL of the words are inspired and we bleed to take them all. Not just the parts we think are important.
E
I agree, except I think sacrifice was first introduced to Adam and Eve when God slew a creature and used its spilt blood and flesh to “cover” the shame of Adam and Ever (sin)
And Cain, who rejected sacrifice and tried to give God human goods which God rejected, and excepted only the animal sacrifice of Abel, in which Case Cain killed abel. And ever since, Gods people have been killed by those who profess religion is the way to Gods forgiveness. Which culminated in the Jewish religious leaders making it so Christ would be killed as that lamb, because they wanted their human good offered to God through the law to count for forgiveness, and Jesus rejected their offering also.
And Cain, who rejected sacrifice and tried to give God human goods which God rejected, and excepted only the animal sacrifice of Abel, in which Case Cain killed abel. And ever since, Gods people have been killed by those who profess religion is the way to Gods forgiveness. Which culminated in the Jewish religious leaders making it so Christ would be killed as that lamb, because they wanted their human good offered to God through the law to count for forgiveness, and Jesus rejected their offering also.
E
1. Who is saying we should obey Paul only?
2. Who is saying we should be disobedient, or preaching it is ok? Or we do not have to work?
3. Who is saying paul says anything that Jesus did not say?
if y9our going to make these presumptions about people. At least back your accusations with facts.. Thank you.
In a nutshell, anyone who obeys Paul with understanding is obeying Jesus Christ.......no one is accusing anyone of obeying Paul without Jesus Christ.
My posts are clarifying that Paul teaches the Gospel of Jesus Christ, but most important Jesus Christ has invited us all and each personally to learn of Him.........as it is written we shall be taught of God.
If some wish to assume I say people are obeying Paul only, prhap some have a guilty conscience, for I have not said this.
My posts are clarifying that Paul teaches the Gospel of Jesus Christ, but most important Jesus Christ has invited us all and each personally to learn of Him.........as it is written we shall be taught of God.
If some wish to assume I say people are obeying Paul only, prhap some have a guilty conscience, for I have not said this.