Churches that Don't Allow Tongues and Prophecy in Meetings disobey Bible

[Stephen63]

[video=youtube;cQ4114XO-Xo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQ4114XO-Xo[/video]

There's one thing I've always found with people who stereotype: they don't know anything except their bigotry.
Why did I say that? Because every cessationist stereotypes every Pentecostal, charismatic, and continuationist to those in this video.

All that tells me is what they know is what they see on TV and the Internet. In other words, NOTHING.

It takes nothing spiritual within an individual to look at that trash on TV and say it's not of God. Neither does it take anything spiritual within someone to say "They are all like that". Any sinner can say it. Any hypocrite can say it. Anybody to claims to be a Christian can say it. But only God's people really knows. Anyone can judge from the outward appearance....... But only God can judge the heart.

Even the world hates stereotyping & believes it's wrong......... when are you ever going to learn?

 

[presidente]

oh! what language did i speak?
which nation says arga warga? couldn't find it on online translators.

A Batak speaker who spoke Indonesian, or some maybe Malay dialect that doesn't say the 'h' in front of 'harga' might say 'arga.' (Not sure about there being a dialect that doesn't say the 'h's, but it would make sense if there were since orangutan doesn't have an h in it.) I'm not sure if 'warga' is Batak or if a Batak who would say that would be using an Indonesian/Melayu loan word that isn't a Batak word. 'Arga' is price in Batak. 'Harga' is price in Indonesia. 'Warga' is family in Indonesia.

I was responding to what you posted, not the video. I'm not sure what the video says.

 

[ForthAngel]

There's one thing I've always found with people who stereotype: they don't know anything except their bigotry.
Why did I say that? Because every cessationist stereotypes every Pentecostal, charismatic, and continuationist to those in this video.

All that tells me is what they know is what they see on TV and the Internet. In other words, NOTHING.

It takes nothing spiritual within an individual to look at that trash on TV and say it's not of God. Neither does it take anything spiritual within someone to say "They are all like that". Any sinner can say it. Any hypocrite can say it. Anybody to claims to be a Christian can say it. But only God's people really knows. Anyone can judge from the outward appearance....... But only God can judge the heart.

Even the world hates stereotyping & believes it's wrong......... when are you ever going to learn?

Then show us the real thing and put an end to the stereotypes. I'm open for correction.

 

[notuptome]

Apparently you guys cannot make up your minds whether modern day Pentecostals are exactly like the Corinthian church or know nothing about the Corinthian church. Make up my mind.

Its both. If you knew you would not want to emulate them.

If only cessationists had a passion for souls like their passion for destroying what Jesus has built. Instead, they teach the traditions of men which causes them to work harder to stay out of work....... God's work, that is.

No gifts = no responsibility, at least spiritual responsibility

No gifts = no fruit, or very little of it.

No gifts = no judgment for being responsible, at least that's what some think.
Hebrews 2:3-4 (KJV)How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him; [SUP]4 [/SUP]God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?

Inaccurate statements. Gifts yes but not those gifts which have ceased. Tongues, knowledge and prophecy per 1 Cor 13:8 All the other gifts are in full operation in Spirit filled believers.

I'm beginning to wonder.......

Do you even know what it is?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[notuptome]

How did you do that......... through discernment? Oh, wait, that's a gift....... You don't believe in that, sooooo........... how exactly did you do that again? What' it called.....0h yeah, judging.

The main thrust of this thread has been about tongues not the other gifts of the Holy Spirit. You are being a little deceitful in your accusations. There are only three gifts that have ended. Even so only one of them is highly prized among the carnally minded...oops did I just say that????

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[presidente]

Sir the natural man cannot understand Spiritual things. Paul explained to the Corinthians in chapter one. You insist on making tongues into something other than languages that men speak. This is an error on your part.

I allow for the possibility of 'tongues of men and of angels' because that is what scripture states. I don't know if some men speak tongues of angels instead of tongues of men, but I allow for the possibility. That's not 'error.' I can know what is revealed. I do not treat commentator's speculations on the text as revelation.

When you start off wrong you cannot arrive at the correct destination except you make the required correction.
How is it profitable if no man understandeth him?

For himself, Paul says he edifies himself, his spirit prays. If he blesses with the spirit, he gives thanks well. But the other is not edified. That is why tongues should be interpreted for the congregation, so that the church may receive edifying.

You acknowledge, though, that when Paul's readers spoke in tongues, no one understood, right? We are in agreement on that, now, right? We are in agreement that not in every case of speaking in tongues are there onlookers who understand as was the case in Acts 2, right? It's pretty plain from the text.

Languages and interpreters are quantifiable and not required to be supernatural.

Divers tongues and interpretation of tongues are listed in I Corinthians 12 with all the other 'supernatural' gifts. Normally, when you speak in foreign language, your understanding is not 'unfruitful.' If you know two languages, you can generally interpret and don't have to 'pray that you may interpret.'

Btw, if you think speaking in tongues is not supernatural, do you believe speaking in tongues continues to this day? I don't see how you can have it both ways.

There is little discussion when you steadfastly set scripture in contradiction with other scripture.

Pointing out what two passages say is not creating a contradiction. In Acts 2, people present understood. In I Corinthians, people were speaking in tongues, but those present did not understand. There is no contradiction, just an audience with different capabilities. If people hadn't been present who could understand the tongues in Acts 2, no one would have understood. (Or if were a case of a 'miracle in the ear' if the 'miracle in the ear' hadn't happen, they wouldn't have been able to understand. I don't hold to the 'miracle in the ear' idea, though.) You are the one seeing a contradiction where none exists.

Tongues as they were seen in the apostolic era have ceased per scripture.

Whether there be tongues they shall cease, not tongues have ceased.

I'm attempting to determine if I need to address you as a believer or if you should be treated as an unbeliever.

Assuming your reader believes certain false ideas without any evidence is no way to treat a believer or an unbeliever.

Your comprehension level is low. You are the person saying its not me but the other guy who believes that way. If direct reference to tongues as a sign of salvation.

I comprehended, but I wonder if you could pick up on the irony. The 'when did you stop beating your wife' approach to discussion is not appropriate. The accuser of the brethren job position has already been filled.

The first part of this statement is true the rest of it is not. You established based on your denomination perspective your interpretation of the passage. You carefully constructed a conflict which you intend to exploit. You continue to attempt to exploit this false premise as commandments of the Lord when they really represent correction for errors in the body.

I Corinthians 14
[SUP]36 [/SUP]Or did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached?[SUP]37 [/SUP]If anyone thinks they are a prophet or otherwise gifted by the Spirit, let them acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord’s command. [SUP]38 [/SUP]But if anyone ignores this, they will themselves be ignored.

The Bible calls the commandments of the Lord. They are commandments of the Lord. Paul was correcting error, but he did so with commandments from the Lord.

 

[presidente]

The main thrust of this thread has been about tongues not the other gifts of the Holy Spirit.

You write this to Stephen, but my intention in posting this was not tongues per se, but more generally the concept of a more open meeting that is not 'pastor centered' or 'pulpit centered' in the ministry of the word, and the operation of spiritual gifts in church. Cessationists get hung up on tongues and turn the issue into one of whether tongues has ceased. I can see how that would be a relevant issue for people with that perspective, though.

Even so only one of them is highly prized among the carnally minded

If the carnal Christian highly prizes speaking in tongues, what does that say of those who don't even prize a gift from God. All Christians should be thankful and prize God's grace and gifts.

 

[zone]

But even a better example that God has (is able to speak) a mysterious language (no matter if He uses it or not) is this:

In the same hour came forth fingers of a man's hand, and wrote over against the candlestick upon the plaister of the wall of the king's palace: and the king saw the part of the hand that wrote. Then the king's countenance was changed, and his thoughts troubled him, so that the joints of his loins were loosed, and his knees smote one against another. The king cried aloud to bring in the astrologers, the Chaldeans, and the soothsayers. And the king spake, and said to the wise men of Babylon, Whosoever shall read this writing, and shew me the interpretation thereof, shall be clothed with scarlet, and have a chain of gold about his neck, and shall be the third ruler in the kingdom Then came in all the king's wise men: but they could not read the writing, nor make known to the king the interpretation thereof. Then was king Belshazzar greatly troubled, and his countenance was changed in him, and his lords were astonied. Now the queen, by reason of the words of the king and his lords, came into the banquet house: and the queen spake and said, O king, live for ever: let not thy thoughts trouble thee, nor let thy countenance be changed: There is a man in thy kingdom, in whom is the spirit of the holy gods; and in the days of thy father light and understanding and wisdom, like the wisdom of the gods, was found in him; whom the king Nebuchadnezzar thy father, the king, I say, thy father, made master of the magicians, astrologers, Chaldeans, and soothsayers. Forasmuch as an excellent spirit, and knowledge, and understanding, interpreting of dreams, and shewing of hard sentences, and dissolving of doubts, were found in the same Daniel, whom the king named Belteshazzar: now let Daniel be called, and he will shew the interpretation.
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Then was Daniel brought in before the king......... ​

Then was the part of the hand sent from him; and this writing was written. And this is the writing that was written, MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN. This is the interpretation of the thing: MENE; God hath numbered thy kingdom, and finished it. TEKEL; Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting. PERES; Thy kingdom is divided, and given to the Medes and Persians.
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So tell me was this Gods language/writing? Are you sure you know all details of God's language and what He can or cannot do and does? Does God need to prove to you that He still can do what He can do? Than ask God for gifts/ tongues privately in your bedroom, while you pray honestly and without presumptions.

uh...inge. that's wasn't 20th century pentecostal 'tongues' or anything like it:

Talmudical Explanations.The first question which presents itself to the critic—namely, why could the inscription be deciphered by Daniel only—engaged the attention of the Talmudists, who advanced various answers. Certain of them concluded that the Hebrew writing had been changed in the time of Ezra, so that even the Jews that were found in the royal court could not read an inscription written in archaic characters. But those who followed R. Simeon in maintaining that the writing had not been changed found other solutions for the problem; e.g., it was written in the cryptographic combination of

, each letter of each pair being substituted by its companion, e.g.,

; or the words were written thus:

, one above the other, having to be read vertically; or

, each word backward; or, again,

, the first two letters of each word being transposed (Sanh. 22a). It is evident that the author of the Book of Daniel meant that the inscription was written in characters familiar to the king and the wise men of Babylon, but that, as often happens with ancient inscriptions, the transposition of certain letters baffled every attempt to decipher them.


Views of Modern Scholars.Various difficulties of the writing present themselves also in Daniel's interpretation: e.g., the repetition of

is not explained, and instead of the plural

, the singular

without the conjunctive ו is translated. It is true that Theodotion and Jerome, by giving three words only to verse 25, make it uniform with verses 26-28 (Theodotion reading "Mane"), and that the Septuagint, though differing from Theodotion as to the meaning of the words, has also only three words, which it transfers to verse 17. Nevertheless the discrepancy in the Masoretic text as well as the grammatical construction of the words has greatly puzzled the modern critics. It may be noted that the author chose words which had a double meaning and that Daniel, accordingly, gave the king a dual interpretation,applying both meanings of the words. Thus he interpreted

as "to count" and "to finish";

, to "weigh" and "to be wanting";

, "to divide" and "Persia." The question now arises as to the grammatical construction of these words. According to Theodotion, Jerome, and Josephus ("Ant." x. 11, § 3), they are substantives; but according to the Septuagint they are verbs in the perfect passive, which, owing to their vocalization, are difficult of explanation. Clermont-Ganneau, in a long article on this subject ("Journal Asiatique," series 8, viii. (1886), 36 et seq.), first advanced the opinion that they are names of weights, namely, a mina, a shekel, and a peras, which last-named in the Talmud means a half-mina (comp. the expression

in 'Eduy. iii. 3), and that

may be the dual form, "two half-minas." Thus the mina would be an allusion to Nebuchadnezzar; the shekel, which in value is a very small part of the mina, to Belshazzar; and the two half-minas to Media and Persia (comp. Ta'an. 21b). But as this interpretation does not show how the words predicted the fall of Babylon, Clermont-Ganneau admits the possibility of the first two words being verbs, but suggests that the ו of

should be affixed to the preceding word, which may be vocalized either

, "they weighed," or

, "weigh"; in either case having

as its direct object.
Among the many other suggestions offered by modern scholars that of J. Marquart may be mentioned ("Fundamente Israelitischer und Jüdischer Geschichte," 1896, p.73). He thinks that the legend of Belshazzar's vision is connected with that of Heliodorus, and that possibly the writer of Dan. v. was of the Maccabean age. Marquart makes no emendation in the text of the passage in Daniel; but if his suggestion is well founded the sentence may be amended to read as follows:

= "Smite, smite, slay, thou horseman!" As to the historicity of the inscription, Boissier points out that predictions written by a mysterious hand are referred to in a cuneiform tablet (see "Proc. Soc. Bibl. Arch." 1896, xviii. 237).
Bibliography:

• Cheyne and Black, Encyc. Bibl.;
• D. Margoliouth, in Hastings, Dict. Bible;
• J. D. Prince, Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin, Baltimore, 1893.

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the miracle was the HAND writing on the wall - not that the language was.....oh n.m.

 

[LT]

I believe that if we are denying that the Holy Spirit can still give the gift of tongues or prophecy, then we are committing blasphemy. God will advance His kingdom by whatever tool he desires.
I also believe that the modern version of speaking in tongues is heresy by telling believers that they are not sealed by the Spirit until they speak in tongues. There is no Biblical evidence for this, it is doctrine of man.
I also believe there are MANY false prophets, and there are very few true prophets, if any, in today's world.

There are many 'charismatic' Christians that believe prophets without testing them, and never wait for the interpretation of tongues, but instead let tongues go on loudly during worship, which is un-Biblical. 1 Cor 1427 If anyone speaks in a tongue, two—or at the most three—should speak, one at a time, and someone must interpret.28 If there is no interpreter, the speaker should keep quiet in the church

I do not claim that all tongues and prophecies are false, only that I have witnessed the false versions many times, and have yet to witness the true. I pray that God will bless me with such an assuring miracle during my lifetime, but I walk in faith regardless.

The only Biblical argument to support there being no 'sign gifts' in the modern Church is 1 Cor 13: 8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues,they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.
This requires a certain interpretation of Rev to work.

 

[inge]

Fair enough but lets consider what is meant by knowledge. Certainly at no point in time do we expect to know nothing. So what is scripture speaking to when it says knowledge shall cease? Extraordinary knowledge that is given by the Lord to those who have not been taught. A knowledge of the scriptures and workings of God that a natural man would not possess. So the question we ask is "when a person receives the Lord and is saved do they or do they not receive a comprehensive knowledge of the scriptures without years of study"? Did the apostles receive from the Lord a knowledge like the Lord demonstrated when He went up to the temple as a boy and reasoned with the teachers in the temple? If that is the knowledge spoken of in the passage then it is reasonable to conclude that it likely ended.

There are many gifts given to folks to serve the Lord. Only three are specifically cited as ending. The controversy is that men want the gifts that ended and not so much the ones that continue. Such is the nature of man.

My position on the "perfect" is the completed new testament. Gods word is perfect converting the soul. It's the only thing that I can see Paul looking forward to that he would describe as perfect. The Lords return will render an end to the need for gifts since the Lord Himself will be present.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

I think we can agree on disagree
We will come in the end on the same spot (heaven) when we keep reading the word of God, and follow Him.

 

[SarahM777]

Why is THIS never mentioned by the cessationists?
Acts 9:10-17 (KJV) [SUP]10 [/SUP]And there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named Ananias; and to him said the Lord in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, I am here, Lord. [SUP]11 [/SUP]And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the street which is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas for one called Saul, of Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth, [SUP]12 [/SUP]And hath seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming in, and putting his hand on him, that he might receive his sight. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem: [SUP]14 [/SUP]And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name. [SUP]15 [/SUP]But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel: [SUP]16 [/SUP]For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake. [SUP]17 [/SUP]And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.

What apostle was in charge there?

Luke wrote that, too.

UMMM Even though it was Paul receiving the Holy Spirit isn't Paul an apostle? Wasn't this AFTER Jesus appointed Him?

 

[Cobus]

Look! God's people that are SENT by God to do anything on this world are EQUIPED by God to do what God wants them to do.
The FIRST person God talked too AFTER they were thrown out of Eden God spoke to Cain. And God did not tell him to do anything but..... YOU MUST RULE OVER SIN!

God saw how Cain's heart was thinking MURDER, and God tried to get Cain NOT TO MURDER. And GOD spoke the FIRST PROPHECY in the Bible..... RULE OVER SIN! Did that prohecy turn out to be true? NOT IN CAIN! But in EVERY prophet is did! Not only in all the prophets, but in EVERY CHILD OF GOD!

Let us see what real prophets look like..... First realise this and believe this, if you do not, you CANNOT see a prophet!...

The spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets....

And then this,.... 2 Peter 1:21..... For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. Let me share ONE experience with you and you decide what gift this is. I just hope you have the KNOWLEDGE and WISDOM to make a righteous judgement on the event.

I went to a church and was giving Bible study to a group of young men, aged 17 to 21. They were called the A-team in the church. One night the minister opened the floor for a few minutes of open prayer. Any person could stand up and pray. I was sitting and listened to two people pray. Then I found myself standing and praying in a loud voice. I was praying in Afrikaans, and I remember I was praying for the souls of the A-team, and for the heart of the church. Please believe me, I was praying out loud, but it was NOT ME SPEAKING. I had NO CONTROL over what I was saying, NONE! When I sat down the minister said out loud AMEN! And the church service ended. Now this happened next.... people gathered their belongings and started to walk out the church. Every face in that church was looking at me. As people walked past me they would say... beautiful prayer Cobus or sir, some would say.... what a wonderful child of God you are Cobus/sir... one person said... It is a priviledge to know you Cobus...And the minister came from the pulpit to me and said... God will do that Cobus.....Then my wife and two young daughters, and I left. When we walked past the older minister’s wife who sat a few rows behind us, she said... Cobus, you are truly a blessing to this church...

I could see that the people were MAJOR impressed by what I said and I did not respond to any person verbally. Then I reached the car and once we were all inside I asked my wife.... What did I say? I could not remember a single sentance but maybe the first two words.... Heavenly Father....

Something else happened while I prayed, but that would baffle too many people here and that I would share maybe later... I ask this... WHO PRAYED if it was not me? Paul said some times he prayed in the mind and sometimes in the spirit... God says that we have the Spirit of God to like EDIT our prayers as we know nothing yet... That is when we are still young in the faith, as I was then!

And then when we MATURE we will be so wise and knowledgable that people will BECOME LIKE US!!! WOW! But hten why not, if the MATURE in CHRIST is exactly LIKE CHRIST, why NOT? And what was Christ like? Could HE speak to God and did HE know God and did God SPEAK THROUGH JESUS? Every WORD Jesus spoke, was NOT HIS!

So this is what I have to say about the words of a HOLY man.... It is NOT his words, but the words of GOD! And Jesus NEVER used the word e-mail, or motor or Bible! I wonder if God has to use NEW WORDS today. The only thing I look for is the HOLINESS in the person. HE can say what HE wants, but if it is not from a HOLY SPIRIT MOVING MAN, then he is FALSE!
If you want to teach me, or be my pastor.... Eph 4:11 to 13 pastors welcome.... BE HOLY, BE PERFECT, RULE OVER SIN, BE HOLY SPIRIT DRIVEN..... Or else GO AWAY SATAN!!!!

 

[presidente]

UMMM Even though it was Paul receiving the Holy Spirit isn't Paul an apostle? Wasn't this AFTER Jesus appointed Him?

Are you implying that the Lord can give someone the power to do miracles, even appoint him to be an apostle, without going through one of the twelve apostles?

That puts a deathnail in the theory that God wouldn't give gifts except through the laying on of the apostles hands, too, and some of the theories of apostolic successions, at least the hard core varieties.

 

[SarahM777]

Are you implying that the Lord can give someone the power to do miracles, even appoint him to be an apostle, without going through one of the twelve apostles?

That puts a deathnail in the theory that God wouldn't give gifts except through the laying on of the apostles hands, too, and some of the theories of apostolic successions, at least the hard core varieties.

UMMM Go back and read what I said. I said the apostles were WITNESSES. Paul is an apostle and was there.

 

[presidente]

UMMM Go back and read what I said. I said the apostles were WITNESSES. Paul is an apostle and was there.

Okay, change that to deathnail in the theory that the apostles had to be witnesses before God gives out supernatural gifts. They weren't around for Paul becoming an apostle or being empowered to do miracles.

 

[presidente]

Cobus,
Do you know Africaans?

 

[Cobus]

I am Afrikaans.

Let me share another experience...

I was invited to a Rugby bar by a friend also claiming to be a Christian. The party was well on the way, and the men were in full swing with the strong drinks. As I entered I was offered a drink and my friend gave me a drink. It looked like Whiskey and when I tasted it, it had a pepper taste. And something really bad. Mel, my friend asked how does it taste, I asked what is it, and many of the guys laughed lookin at me. Then I knew I was pranked in a bad taste.... I looked at the barman that made the drink and said.... I will get my revenge, one day you will drink with me!

I did not know the man from a bar of soap but I could see I had something he HATED and he loved the humiliation I just went through. But becasue I took it in such a good way, and did not even react to the silly prank, he was a bit dissappointed. One of the young players said he would LOVE to see me revenge myself on the barman, and the barman said... not a chance! I will NEVER drink with this guy... Now he openly showed his feelings to me. He hated me. For NO REASON!

Ah and the Lord's wedding to His bride came to my head... I said to the barman.... So you would not drink with me the best wine EVER. When we are in heaven and drink wine with our Lord? For then my revenge would be fulfilled, my love for you today, is the invite to the wedding!

I left, and the whole bar was now quiet..... Wonder what happened there after I left....

 

[SarahM777]

#1 Yes
#2 The peoples language. What language would you use? I wouldn't speak Spanish to people who didn't know it.

UMMM But isn't that what you are saying what still happens when people speak in tongues? If someone in a church that speaks English starts speaking in "tongues" then you someone speaking a different "Tongue" then English. And didn't Paul under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit say this

1 Corinthians 14

Follow the way of love and eagerly desire gifts of the Spirit, especially prophecy. 2 For anyone who speaks in a tongue[a] does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit. 3 But the one who prophesies speaks to people for their strengthening, encouraging and comfort. 4 Anyone who speaks in a tongue edifies themselves, but the one who prophesies edifies the church. 5 I would like every one of you to speak in tongues,[b] but I would rather have you prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues,[c] unless someone interprets, so that the church may be edified.
6 Now, brothers and sisters, if I come to you and speak in tongues, what good will I be to you, unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or word of instruction? 7 Even in the case of lifeless things that make sounds, such as the pipe or harp, how will anyone know what tune is being played unless there is a distinction in the notes? 8 Again, if the trumpet does not sound a clear call, who will get ready for battle? 9So it is with you. Unless you speak intelligible words with your tongue, how will anyone know what you are saying? You will just be speaking into the air.10 Undoubtedly there are all sorts of languages in the world, yet none of them is without meaning. 11 If then I do not grasp the meaning of what someone is saying, I am a foreigner to the speaker, and the speaker is a foreigner to me. 12 So it is with you. Since you are eager for gifts of the Spirit, try to excel in those that build up the church.


Paul points out if it is not understood it's meaningless to the one hearing it,and prophecy being the greater of the two,why then if God is pointing out to Paul that understanding is better then why would God use "tongues" that may NOT be understood as opposed to prophecy which would be understood in a church that only speaks ONE language?

 

[SarahM777]

Since the purpose of the gifts is edification of the body why would God knowing the church speaks a single language and that the gift of prophecy in that language the words would be understood 100% of the time why then would God use a different language that could not be understood 100% of the time if understanding is the better way?

 

[directline2iam]

There's one thing I've always found with people who stereotype: they don't know anything except their bigotry.
Why did I say that? Because every cessationist stereotypes every Pentecostal, charismatic, and continuationist to those in this video.

All that tells me is what they know is what they see on TV and the Internet. In other words, NOTHING.

It takes nothing spiritual within an individual to look at that trash on TV and say it's not of God. Neither does it take anything spiritual within someone to say "They are all like that". Any sinner can say it. Any hypocrite can say it. Anybody to claims to be a Christian can say it. But only God's people really knows. Anyone can judge from the outward appearance....... But only God can judge the heart.

Even the world hates stereotyping & believes it's wrong......... when are you ever going to learn?

I've personally been to quite a few of those synagogues of satan and it's the same old NOTHING. You people lack spiritual understanding, that's why we are here on CC, to help yous. So don't bite the hand...