Closing the Gap in Dispensationalism

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reneweddaybyday

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Dave-L said:
So nobody of any worth agrees with you?
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Question for you, Dave-L:

1 Kings 22:6 Then the king of Israel gathered the prophets together, about four hundred men, and said unto them, Shall I go against Ramothgilead to battle, or shall I forbear? And they said, Go up; for the Lord shall deliver it into the hand of the king.


Did the Lord deliver Ramothgilead into the hand of the king? Yes or no?


Before you answer that question, recall this:

1 Kings 22:37 So the king died, and was brought to Samaria; and they buried the king in Samaria.



 
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reneweddaybyday said:
First of all, Dave-L, there are many believers "of worth" who are members of ChristianChat. I consider the believers here to be very proficient in their study of Scripture. No one has stepped forward to state I am in error. And I submitted my understanding of this passage numerous times in this thread and here in the other thread you started.

If I am in error, believe me Dave-L, my brothers and sisters in Christ would let me know because all who are in Christ Jesus do not want people to be in error when it comes to understanding God's Word.

Even you have not submitted any proof I am in error ... other than your weak argument that I need to go find "other commentaries" because you are unable to prove I am incorrect.


You are engaging in fallacious argument ... which is a poor debate tactic used by those who cannot refute the central point.
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You are not in line with historic Christianity or the bible.
 
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Dave-L said:
So nobody of any worth agrees with you?
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Another question for you, Dave-L:

1 Kings 22:17 And he [Micaiah] said, I saw all Israel scattered upon the hills, as sheep that have not a shepherd: and the LORD said, These have no master: let them return every man to his house


Did Israel end up with no king ... and every man returned to his own house? Yes or no?


And before you answer, recall this:

1 Kings 22:26-37 And there went a proclamation throughout the host about the going down of the sun, saying, Every man to his city, and every man to his own country. So the king died, and was brought to Samaria; and they buried the king in Samaria.


 
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reneweddaybyday said:
Question for you, Dave-L:

1 Kings 22:6 Then the king of Israel gathered the prophets together, about four hundred men, and said unto them, Shall I go against Ramothgilead to battle, or shall I forbear? And they said, Go up; for the Lord shall deliver it into the hand of the king.


Did the Lord deliver Ramothgilead into the hand of the king? Yes or no?


Before you answer that question, recall this:

1 Kings 22:37 So the king died, and was brought to Samaria; and they buried the king in Samaria.
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How do you answer your question? Explain your season for doing so.
 
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reneweddaybyday said:
Another question for you, Dave-L:

1 Kings 22:17 And he [Micaiah] said, I saw all Israel scattered upon the hills, as sheep that have not a shepherd: and the LORD said, These have no master: let them return every man to his house


Did Israel end up with no king ... and every man returned to his own house? Yes or no?


And before you answer, recall this:

1 Kings 22:26-37 And there went a proclamation throughout the host about the going down of the sun, saying, Every man to his city, and every man to his own country. So the king died, and was brought to Samaria; and they buried the king in Samaria.
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What do you make of this?
 
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Dave-L said:
You are not in line with historic Christianity or the bible.
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Provide your Scriptural proof. I have provided more than ample Scriptural proof that what Ahab's prophets told him did not come to pass and that if a prophet speaks and what he speaks does not come to pass, the prophet did not speak the word of God.



 
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reneweddaybyday said:
Provide your Scriptural proof. I have provided more than ample Scriptural proof that what Ahab's prophets told him did not come to pass and that if a prophet speaks and what he speaks does not come to pass, the prophet did not speak the word of God.
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You need to quote the creeds and prove that you are.
 
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Dave-L said:
Make it clear when you mention these passages.
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Made clear many times and you have been unable to refute the central point.

God bless you and keep you and may you turn from the error of your ways,
reneweddaybyday



 
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reneweddaybyday said:
Made clear many times and you have been unable to refute the central point.

God bless you and keep you and may you turn from the error of your ways,
reneweddaybyday
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You spend lots of time on this. You should invest a little more in sharing your views.
 
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Dave-L said:
Do you have anyone who agrees with you in your library of better commentaries? If so, post your reinforcements.
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Adam Clarke:

Micaiah did not choose to say before this angry and impious king, "Thy prophets are all liars; and the devil, the father of lies, dwells in them;" but he represents the whole by this parable, and says the same truths in language as forcible, but less offensive.

Never was a man more circumstantially and fairly warned; he had counsels from the God of truth, and counsels from the spirit of falsity; he obstinately forsook the former and followed the latter. He was shown by this parable how every thing was going on


Thomas Coke:

The prophets who came to Ahab were not the LORD'S prophets, but Ahab's. They spake at all adventures what they presumed would please him, like fawning parasites and flattering sycophants; a spirit of lying was upon them all, because they were disposed to flatter the king's humour, found their gain in it, or were afraid to do otherwise. This is the short and true account of the whole matter, and is what Micaiah sets forth in his present parable. Instead of bluntly telling the king that these prophets were all deceivers, he takes up his parable, as prophets were used to do, declaring what he had seen in prophetic vision, which was the way that God had made choice of for disclosing the whole matter to him.



Matthew Henry:

Thus Micaiah gave Ahab fair warning, not only of the danger of proceeding in this war, but of the danger of believing those that encouraged him to proceed. Thus we are warned to beware of false prophets, and to try the spirits



J. Vernon McGee:

Then Micaiah gave a ridiculous parable. Imagine God asking any creature for advice. This was a subtle way of calling the false prophets of Baal liars.

This is sparkling, striking, and startling satire. I do not know of a better way of calling the crowd of prophets there a bunch of liars than to tell this little story. That’s exactly what Micaiah is doing.



 
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Adam Clarke:

Micaiah did not choose to say before this angry and impious king, "Thy prophets are all liars; and the devil, the father of lies, dwells in them;" but he represents the whole by this parable, and says the same truths in language as forcible, but less offensive.

Never was a man more circumstantially and fairly warned; he had counsels from the God of truth, and counsels from the spirit of falsity; he obstinately forsook the former and followed the latter. He was shown by this parable how every thing was going on


Thomas Coke:

The prophets who came to Ahab were not the LORD'S prophets, but Ahab's. They spake at all adventures what they presumed would please him, like fawning parasites and flattering sycophants; a spirit of lying was upon them all, because they were disposed to flatter the king's humour, found their gain in it, or were afraid to do otherwise. This is the short and true account of the whole matter, and is what Micaiah sets forth in his present parable. Instead of bluntly telling the king that these prophets were all deceivers, he takes up his parable, as prophets were used to do, declaring what he had seen in prophetic vision, which was the way that God had made choice of for disclosing the whole matter to him.



Matthew Henry:

Thus Micaiah gave Ahab fair warning, not only of the danger of proceeding in this war, but of the danger of believing those that encouraged him to proceed. Thus we are warned to beware of false prophets, and to try the spirits



J. Vernon McGee:

Then Micaiah gave a ridiculous parable. Imagine God asking any creature for advice. This was a subtle way of calling the false prophets of Baal liars.

This is sparkling, striking, and startling satire. I do not know of a better way of calling the crowd of prophets there a bunch of liars than to tell this little story. That’s exactly what Micaiah is doing.
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Regardless, God caused Ahab to believe lies. Here's another:
13 The princes of u Zoan are become fools,

x The princes of y Noph are deceived;

They have also z seduced Egypt, even || † they that are the stay of the tribes thereof.

14 The Lord hath mingled † a perverse spirit in the midst thereof: And they have z caused Egypt to err in every work thereof,
 
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Dave-L said:
Regardless, God caused Ahab to believe lies. Here's another:
13 The princes of u Zoan are become fools,

x The princes of y Noph are deceived;

They have also z seduced Egypt, even || † they that are the stay of the tribes thereof.

14 The Lord hath mingled † a perverse spirit in the midst thereof: And they have z caused Egypt to err in every work thereof,
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Whatever the case, it is unwise to take an Old Testament example and place that upon New Testament salvation. Many examples in the OT are exceptions, not the rule.
 
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Whatever the case, it is unwise to take an Old Testament example and place that upon New Testament salvation. Many examples in the OT are exceptions, not the rule.
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What about Jesus the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow?
 
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Dave-L said:
What about Jesus the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow?
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What about it? Who He is never changes, but how He has dealt with man has obviously changed through the course of history. He turned Nebuchadnezzar into a beast. Does this mean the Lord turns people into beasts today? He burned down cities with fire from heaven. Does He still do this today?
 
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