CONDEMNATION IS THE ROOT CAUSE
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You are missing the whole point in all of this.....the gnostic types were saying there is no such thing as sin. John was saying "yes there is and if you confess - agree that there is sin - then you will have all unrighteousness removed by the blood of Jesus.
I understand that this conflicts with your religious beliefs. We have forgiveness of sins in Christ. He took away the sin of the world. Believe it and you can walk free of sin's power over your life.
As it is now - in your religion - if you died tonight - you would go to hell because you have borne false witness against some on this thread by saying that they are in sin. - Because you have not asked the Lord for forgiveness of that sin yet.
Believe me...you will be thankful that 1 John 1:7 is working for you in the grace of Christ now.
I understand that this conflicts with your religious beliefs. We have forgiveness of sins in Christ. He took away the sin of the world. Believe it and you can walk free of sin's power over your life.
As it is now - in your religion - if you died tonight - you would go to hell because you have borne false witness against some on this thread by saying that they are in sin. - Because you have not asked the Lord for forgiveness of that sin yet.
Believe me...you will be thankful that 1 John 1:7 is working for you in the grace of Christ now.
John was writing to the church about gnostic beliefs. There were in their midst unbelievers just like there is now in every church and he was addressing them too.
Forgiveness is a done deal bought for by the blood of our Lord. Despite what our religious upbringing has taught us. This is what scripture has to say about forgiveness not men's made up terms to support their religious views.
1 John 2:12 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] I am writing to you, little children, because your sins have been forgiven you for His name's sake.
have been forgiven = perfect passive
Perfect Tense
The basic thought of the perfect tense is that the progress of an action has been completed and the results of the action are continuing on, in full effect.
In other words, the progress of the action has reached its culmination and the finished results are now in existence. Unlike the English perfect, which indicates a completed past action, the Greek perfect tense indicates the continuation and present state of a completed past action.
passive = voice = action is happening to you....you are not doing it
Without a doubt this verse says that the sins are forgiven from a past action that remains in a continuous state and that was put on them....not something they did.
Brethren ...we have a great salvation in our Lord!
Here are some more scriptures on the forgiveness of God thru the precious blood of our Lord!....
Ephesians 1:7 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
We have redemption = present continuous action...so this means we have present continuous forgiveness of our sins...
and look...that grace stuff shows up again!...it's all according to our loving Father's grace that He has given to us in Christ our Lord.
Colossians 1:13-14 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son,
[SUP]14 [/SUP] in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.
Same thing here too...present continuous action = forgiveness of sins
Redemption!..we have been bought with the precious Blood of Jesus... Let's honor His work!
At some point if we are real "believers" -we need to start believing in what Christ has done for us....just sayin'
Forgiveness is a done deal bought for by the blood of our Lord. Despite what our religious upbringing has taught us. This is what scripture has to say about forgiveness not men's made up terms to support their religious views.
1 John 2:12 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] I am writing to you, little children, because your sins have been forgiven you for His name's sake.
have been forgiven = perfect passive
Perfect Tense
The basic thought of the perfect tense is that the progress of an action has been completed and the results of the action are continuing on, in full effect.
In other words, the progress of the action has reached its culmination and the finished results are now in existence. Unlike the English perfect, which indicates a completed past action, the Greek perfect tense indicates the continuation and present state of a completed past action.
passive = voice = action is happening to you....you are not doing it
Without a doubt this verse says that the sins are forgiven from a past action that remains in a continuous state and that was put on them....not something they did.
Brethren ...we have a great salvation in our Lord!
Here are some more scriptures on the forgiveness of God thru the precious blood of our Lord!....
Ephesians 1:7 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
We have redemption = present continuous action...so this means we have present continuous forgiveness of our sins...
and look...that grace stuff shows up again!...it's all according to our loving Father's grace that He has given to us in Christ our Lord.
Colossians 1:13-14 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son,
[SUP]14 [/SUP] in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.
Same thing here too...present continuous action = forgiveness of sins
Redemption!..we have been bought with the precious Blood of Jesus... Let's honor His work!
At some point if we are real "believers" -we need to start believing in what Christ has done for us....just sayin'
There you go again, Twisting the scriptures.
John wasn't writing to agnostics, as nowhere does the Bible say one has to confess sins to get saved.
John was writing to the Church.
The Bible wasn't written in chapter and verse, the translators put them in for clarification, So, John chapters 1 to 5, is all one letter to one group of people
I'll give it to you one more time in hopes that the soil of your heart will be ready - if not - it'll help others out.
Scripture isolated can cause all sorts of opinions and traditions to be put in place: 1 John 1-5 was written to the church and at the start was warning about those among them that had heresies which said "there is no such thing as sin".
Pay attention to the ..we and our and the you in 1 John chapter 1
"That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we (believers - namely John ) have looked at and our hands have touched - this we proclaim concerning the Word of Life"
(I John 1:1).
In other words, John is establishing that he was an eyewitness to the fact that Jesus truly did come in the flesh. He did this to convince the Gnostics that Jesus was not an illusion.
"We ( believers - namely John himself ) proclaim to you (unbelievers - gnostics ) what we have seen and heard, so thatyou (unbelievers - gnostics ) also may have fellowship with us ( believers ). And our ( believers )fellowship is with the Father and with His Son, Jesus Christ" (verse 3).
This verse says two things. First, John repeats the fact that he, the rest of the apostles and other people saw Christ in the flesh. He wanted the Gnostics ( unbelievers ) to realize that there were many people who could testify to the reality of Christ.
Second, he is saying that there are some people in the audience who were not in the fellowship with Christ. ( just like we do now in all churches....there are both types of people )
"This is the message we ( believers ) have heard from Him and declare to you ( unbelievers ): God is light; in Him there is no darkness at all" (verse 5).
John's message in this verse is clear: God is light and in Him there is no darkness. We are either in the light (saved) or in darkness (lost). Scriptures are full of this comparison between light (saved) vs. darkness (lost).
"If we claim to have fellowship with Him yet walk in darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth." (verse 6).
In other words, if someone says he has fellowship with Christ, but is walking in darkness (lost), he is lying and not practicing the truth. The Gnostics ( not true believers ) claimed to be in fellowship with Christ (saved), and yet were actually living a lie and therefore weren't practicing the truth.
"If we( believers ) walk in the light, as He is in the light, we ( believers ) have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, His Son, purifies us ( believers ) from all sin" (verse 7).
In other words, if we walk in the light (are saved) we have fellowship with one another and the blood of Christ cleanses us from all sin. To put it another way, once we are saved, we are permanently in the fellowship because the blood of Jesus continually cleanses us from all sin.
Therefore, we aren't forgiven because we confess our sins. We are forgiven because of what Christ did for us on the cross.
"If we( John putting all of us in the same boat before coming to Christ ) claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us" (verse 8).
John is now addressing the belief the Gnostics had regarding sin because they didn't believe it was real and therefore believed they had no sin. The "we" John is using here refers to all people before coming to Christ including all believers too which "we" had to acknowledge at some point in our lives.
He is referring specifically to the Gnostics, who believed they were without sin. Because they claimed to be without sin, then they were only deceiving themselves and the truth (Jesus) was not in them.
However, verse 9 says that "if we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness."
In other words, if the Gnostics were to confess they had sins, then God, Who is faithful and righteous, would forgive and cleanse them from their unrighteousness.
In the Greek language, the words "forgive" and "cleanse" mean past actions that have results today and will continue to have results in the future. Also, the word "all" used in these verses means all. It doesn't mean that we are cleansed of our past sins and our past unrighteousness, it means we were cleansed of all our unrighteousness. And if God cleanses us from all unrighteousness, then we are cleansed forever!
"If we claim we ( all of us were in this boat at one time ) have not sinned, we make Him out to be a liar and His word has no place in our lives" (verse 10).
Basically this verse is a repeat of verse 8. To put it simply, it means that the Gnostics can't claim to be without sin and yet be saved. John is saying that because the Gnostics claimed they had no sin, they were actually calling God a liar and therefore didn't know the truth.
The purpose of the first chapter of 1 John was to compare the truth of God to the error of gnosticism. John was addressing the Gnostics, who were deceived by their own teaching. He wanted the Gnostics to understand that what they believed conflicted with what God said. He was not, however, addressing believers.
However we can all learn from all scriptures including 1 John 1 - I especially love the truth of verse 7 - the blood of Jesus continually cleanses us from all sin because we are in Him.
Scripture isolated can cause all sorts of opinions and traditions to be put in place: 1 John 1-5 was written to the church and at the start was warning about those among them that had heresies which said "there is no such thing as sin".
Pay attention to the ..we and our and the you in 1 John chapter 1
"That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we (believers - namely John ) have looked at and our hands have touched - this we proclaim concerning the Word of Life"
(I John 1:1).
In other words, John is establishing that he was an eyewitness to the fact that Jesus truly did come in the flesh. He did this to convince the Gnostics that Jesus was not an illusion.
"We ( believers - namely John himself ) proclaim to you (unbelievers - gnostics ) what we have seen and heard, so thatyou (unbelievers - gnostics ) also may have fellowship with us ( believers ). And our ( believers )fellowship is with the Father and with His Son, Jesus Christ" (verse 3).
This verse says two things. First, John repeats the fact that he, the rest of the apostles and other people saw Christ in the flesh. He wanted the Gnostics ( unbelievers ) to realize that there were many people who could testify to the reality of Christ.
Second, he is saying that there are some people in the audience who were not in the fellowship with Christ. ( just like we do now in all churches....there are both types of people )
"This is the message we ( believers ) have heard from Him and declare to you ( unbelievers ): God is light; in Him there is no darkness at all" (verse 5).
John's message in this verse is clear: God is light and in Him there is no darkness. We are either in the light (saved) or in darkness (lost). Scriptures are full of this comparison between light (saved) vs. darkness (lost).
"If we claim to have fellowship with Him yet walk in darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth." (verse 6).
In other words, if someone says he has fellowship with Christ, but is walking in darkness (lost), he is lying and not practicing the truth. The Gnostics ( not true believers ) claimed to be in fellowship with Christ (saved), and yet were actually living a lie and therefore weren't practicing the truth.
"If we( believers ) walk in the light, as He is in the light, we ( believers ) have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, His Son, purifies us ( believers ) from all sin" (verse 7).
In other words, if we walk in the light (are saved) we have fellowship with one another and the blood of Christ cleanses us from all sin. To put it another way, once we are saved, we are permanently in the fellowship because the blood of Jesus continually cleanses us from all sin.
Therefore, we aren't forgiven because we confess our sins. We are forgiven because of what Christ did for us on the cross.
"If we( John putting all of us in the same boat before coming to Christ ) claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us" (verse 8).
John is now addressing the belief the Gnostics had regarding sin because they didn't believe it was real and therefore believed they had no sin. The "we" John is using here refers to all people before coming to Christ including all believers too which "we" had to acknowledge at some point in our lives.
He is referring specifically to the Gnostics, who believed they were without sin. Because they claimed to be without sin, then they were only deceiving themselves and the truth (Jesus) was not in them.
However, verse 9 says that "if we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness."
In other words, if the Gnostics were to confess they had sins, then God, Who is faithful and righteous, would forgive and cleanse them from their unrighteousness.
In the Greek language, the words "forgive" and "cleanse" mean past actions that have results today and will continue to have results in the future. Also, the word "all" used in these verses means all. It doesn't mean that we are cleansed of our past sins and our past unrighteousness, it means we were cleansed of all our unrighteousness. And if God cleanses us from all unrighteousness, then we are cleansed forever!
"If we claim we ( all of us were in this boat at one time ) have not sinned, we make Him out to be a liar and His word has no place in our lives" (verse 10).
Basically this verse is a repeat of verse 8. To put it simply, it means that the Gnostics can't claim to be without sin and yet be saved. John is saying that because the Gnostics claimed they had no sin, they were actually calling God a liar and therefore didn't know the truth.
The purpose of the first chapter of 1 John was to compare the truth of God to the error of gnosticism. John was addressing the Gnostics, who were deceived by their own teaching. He wanted the Gnostics to understand that what they believed conflicted with what God said. He was not, however, addressing believers.
However we can all learn from all scriptures including 1 John 1 - I especially love the truth of verse 7 - the blood of Jesus continually cleanses us from all sin because we are in Him.
Sometimes we think some truths are new but in reality they are not. Here is someone back in the 1800's that had a "heretical" understanding of grace in the form of our sins being forgiven.
I was reading this morning about a hymn writer from the 1800's called Frances Ridley Havergal. She wrote many hymns and knew Latin, French, German, Greek and Hebrew. She also knew by heart the 4 gospels, epistles and the book of Revelation by the time she was 23 years old - yet she still lived in total defeat. She thought she had "great wickedness in her heart" - because of religious traditions taught to her.
It wasn't until she was reading in the Greek that the present tense was used for 1 John 1:7 ...His blood cleanseth us from all sin".
She realized all her sins were forgiven by the blood of Jesus and thus she believed it and experienced peace and joy in her life because of this truth.
Here is a direct quote:
" Have we not been limiting 1 John 1:7 , by practically making it refer only to "remission of sins that are past" instead of taking the grand simplicity of "cleanseth from all sin"?
"All" is all; and as we may trust Him to cleanse us from the stain of past sins so we may trust Him to cleanse us from all present defilement; yes, all!
By refusing to take 1 John 1:7 in it's fullness, we will lose the fullness of it's application and power in our lives. It goes on cleansing , and I have no words to tell how my heart rejoices in it."
She got the revelation that all her sins were forgiven because she was in Christ and in the Light. She was able to walk free in Christ from that point on. Today she would be called a "hyper-grace" heretic by some.
Believing the true gospel will change us as we grow in His grace.
Source: Jennie Chappell, "Women Who Have Worked and Won: the life story of Mrs. Spurgeon, Mrs. Booth-Tucker, F.R. Havergal, and Ramabai," London: S.W. Partridge & Co. Ltd. 1904
This woman lived more then 200 years before J. Prince came in the world. Can't you see the joy that came to her when she finally "believed" 1 John 1:7?...this is what happens to all of us that embrace the great salvation that is in Christ. His finished work is awesome and we will spend eternity praising Him and also growing in His grace as well.
The 1 John 1:9 lie was unheard of in the church until Prince invented it to relieve the tremendous guilt he felt due to his weird, obsessive ideas about sin and forgiveness. Here's when the lie first appeared in his book Destined to Reign (page 106).
I would be playing soccer with my friends and as the goalkeeper, I would yell at the defenders, “Hey, you, what do you think you are doing? Watch out for that striker… Hey, come on!” Sometimes, in the midst of the game, I would get angry and feel like scolding one of the players. I would catch myself and think, “I am a believer. How can I think such thoughts?” So right there and then, I would close my eyes and start confessing my sins, whispering my confession under my breath. The next thing I knew, the ball would streak past me and go right into the net. I was left wondering, “God, what happened? Here I am getting right with You and You allowed the opposing team to score?”
This “keeping short accounts with God” continued even when I was drafted into the military, which is mandatory for all male citizens in Singapore. One day, I overheard my bunk mates talking about me among themselves: “He’s really strange…” said one. Another replied, “Yeah, why does he do that? Have you seen him whisper under his breath as he’s running or doing something?” At that point, I realized that I wasn’t being a very good testimony for Jesus. All my military friends must have thought that Christians, to put it mildly, were a strange bunch. But I was in serious bondage. I really believed that I had to confess every bad thing that I thought I had done, all the time. Since all this happened during the time when I believed that it was possible for Christians to commit the unpardonable sin, I confessed as much as I could just to be “safe”. I took 1 John 1:9 to the limit and it nearly drove me insane. But what does 1 John 1:9 really say and to whom was it actually written?
People have taken this verse and built a whole doctrine around it when actually, chapter 1 of 1 John was written to the Gnostics, who were unbelievers. John was saying to these unbelievers that if they confessed their sins, God would be faithful and just to cleanse them from all unrighteousness.
This “keeping short accounts with God” continued even when I was drafted into the military, which is mandatory for all male citizens in Singapore. One day, I overheard my bunk mates talking about me among themselves: “He’s really strange…” said one. Another replied, “Yeah, why does he do that? Have you seen him whisper under his breath as he’s running or doing something?” At that point, I realized that I wasn’t being a very good testimony for Jesus. All my military friends must have thought that Christians, to put it mildly, were a strange bunch. But I was in serious bondage. I really believed that I had to confess every bad thing that I thought I had done, all the time. Since all this happened during the time when I believed that it was possible for Christians to commit the unpardonable sin, I confessed as much as I could just to be “safe”. I took 1 John 1:9 to the limit and it nearly drove me insane. But what does 1 John 1:9 really say and to whom was it actually written?
1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
People have taken this verse and built a whole doctrine around it when actually, chapter 1 of 1 John was written to the Gnostics, who were unbelievers. John was saying to these unbelievers that if they confessed their sins, God would be faithful and just to cleanse them from all unrighteousness.
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Sooo..... you haven't noticed that when Grace777x70 writes an Op about anything in the Bible he's quoting Joseph Prince?
He is the one shoving Joseph Prince down our throats..... Tell Grace777x70 to take HIS focus off of him.
Isn't it true..... because JP preaches NEW heretical doctrine is the REAL reason Grace777x70 pushes his teachings? You see, most folks know that these other televangelists are preaching trash & wrote them off, but not Prince. Yet, he runs in their circles, preaches in their conferences, & fully agrees with their false teachings. Even though these others teach the same things, Grace777x70, will only quote Prince 'cuz he's the newest heretic.
He is the one shoving Joseph Prince down our throats..... Tell Grace777x70 to take HIS focus off of him.
Isn't it true..... because JP preaches NEW heretical doctrine is the REAL reason Grace777x70 pushes his teachings? You see, most folks know that these other televangelists are preaching trash & wrote them off, but not Prince. Yet, he runs in their circles, preaches in their conferences, & fully agrees with their false teachings. Even though these others teach the same things, Grace777x70, will only quote Prince 'cuz he's the newest heretic.
These say differently about 1 John 1 as they say John was addressing early gnostic thinking. What is amazing is the lengths people go to justify maintaining their own self-righteousness instead of believing and relying on Christ finished work.
Intro to 1 John — Biblica
Here is a quote from the above source.
Gnosticism
One of the most dangerous heresies of the first two centuries of the church was Gnosticism. Its central teaching was that spirit is entirely good and matter is entirely evil. From this unbiblical dualism flowed five important errors:
The Gnosticism addressed in the NT was an early form of the heresy, not the intricately developed system of the second and third centuries. In addition to that seen in Colossians and in John’s letters, acquaintance with early Gnosticism is reflected in 1,2 Timothy, Titus, and 2 Peter and perhaps 1 Corinthians.
Here is another one..there are lot's more but I will stop with this one.
https://bible.org/seriespage/introduction-1-john
Intro to 1 John — Biblica
Here is a quote from the above source.
Gnosticism
One of the most dangerous heresies of the first two centuries of the church was Gnosticism. Its central teaching was that spirit is entirely good and matter is entirely evil. From this unbiblical dualism flowed five important errors:
- The human body, which is matter, is therefore evil. It is to be contrasted with God, who is wholly spirit and therefore good.
- Salvation is the escape from the body, achieved not by faith in Christ but by special knowledge (the Greek word for “knowledge” is gnosis, hence Gnosticism).
- Christ’s true humanity was denied in two ways: (1) Some said that Christ only seemed to have a body, a view called Docetism, from the Greek dokeo (“to seem”), and (2) others said that the divine Christ joined the man Jesus at baptism and left him before he died, a view called Cerinthianism, after its most prominent spokesman, Cerinthus. This view is the background of much of 1 John (see 1:1; 2:22; 4:2–3 and notes).
- Since the body was considered evil, it was to be treated harshly. This ascetic form of Gnosticism is the background of part of the letter to the Colossians (see Col 2:21,23 and notes).
- Paradoxically, this dualism also led to licentiousness. The reasoning was that, since matter—and not the breaking of God’s law (1Jn 3:4)—was considered evil, breaking his law was of no moral consequence.
The Gnosticism addressed in the NT was an early form of the heresy, not the intricately developed system of the second and third centuries. In addition to that seen in Colossians and in John’s letters, acquaintance with early Gnosticism is reflected in 1,2 Timothy, Titus, and 2 Peter and perhaps 1 Corinthians.
Here is another one..there are lot's more but I will stop with this one.
https://bible.org/seriespage/introduction-1-john
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Hebrews 10:25-29 (NASB)
[SUP]25 [/SUP]not forsaking our own assembling together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another; and all the more as you see the day drawing near. [SUP]26 [/SUP]For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, [SUP]27 [/SUP]but a terrifying expectation of judgment and THE FURY of a fire which will consume the adversaries. [SUP]28 [/SUP]Anyone who has set aside the Law of Moses dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. [SUP]29 [/SUP]How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?
Hebrews 10:25-29 (TEV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Let us not give up the habit of meeting together, as some are doing. Instead, let us encourage one another all the more, since you see that the Day of the Lord is coming nearer. [SUP]26 [/SUP]For there is no longer any sacrifice that will take away sins if we purposely go on sinning after the truth has been made known to us. [SUP]27 [/SUP]Instead, all that is left is to wait in fear for the coming Judgment and the fierce fire which will destroy those who oppose God! [SUP]28 [/SUP]Anyone who disobeys the Law of Moses is put to death without any mercy when judged guilty from the evidence of two or more witnesses. [SUP]29 [/SUP]What, then, of those who despise the Son of God? who treat as a cheap thing the blood of God's covenant which purified them from sin? who insult the Spirit of grace? Just think how much worse is the punishment they will deserve!
Hebrews 10:25-29 (HCSB)
[SUP]25 [/SUP]not staying away from our ⌊worship⌋ meetings, as some habitually do, but encouraging each other, and all the more as you see the day drawing near. [SUP]26 [/SUP]For if we deliberately sin after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, [SUP]27 [/SUP]but a terrifying expectation of judgment and the fury of a fire about to consume the adversaries. [SUP]28 [/SUP]If anyone disregards Moses’ law, he dies without mercy, based on the testimony of two or three witnesses. [SUP]29 [/SUP]How much worse punishment do you think one will deserve who has trampled on the Son of God, regarded as profane the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and insulted the Spirit of grace?
Hebrews 10:25-29 (NLT)
[SUP]25 [/SUP]And let us not neglect our meeting together, as some people do, but encourage one another, especially now that the day of his return is drawing near (speaking to the church). [SUP]26 [/SUP]Dear friends, if we deliberately continue sinning after we have received knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice that will cover these sins. [SUP]27 [/SUP]There is only the terrible expectation of God’s judgment and the raging fire that will consume his enemies. [SUP]28 [/SUP]For anyone who refused to obey the law of Moses was put to death without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. [SUP]29 [/SUP]Just think how much worse the punishment will be for those who have trampled on the Son of God, and have treated the blood of the covenant, which made us holy, as if it were common and unholy, and have insulted and disdained the Holy Spirit who brings God’s mercy to us.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]not forsaking our own assembling together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another; and all the more as you see the day drawing near. [SUP]26 [/SUP]For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, [SUP]27 [/SUP]but a terrifying expectation of judgment and THE FURY of a fire which will consume the adversaries. [SUP]28 [/SUP]Anyone who has set aside the Law of Moses dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. [SUP]29 [/SUP]How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?
Hebrews 10:25-29 (TEV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Let us not give up the habit of meeting together, as some are doing. Instead, let us encourage one another all the more, since you see that the Day of the Lord is coming nearer. [SUP]26 [/SUP]For there is no longer any sacrifice that will take away sins if we purposely go on sinning after the truth has been made known to us. [SUP]27 [/SUP]Instead, all that is left is to wait in fear for the coming Judgment and the fierce fire which will destroy those who oppose God! [SUP]28 [/SUP]Anyone who disobeys the Law of Moses is put to death without any mercy when judged guilty from the evidence of two or more witnesses. [SUP]29 [/SUP]What, then, of those who despise the Son of God? who treat as a cheap thing the blood of God's covenant which purified them from sin? who insult the Spirit of grace? Just think how much worse is the punishment they will deserve!
Hebrews 10:25-29 (HCSB)
[SUP]25 [/SUP]not staying away from our ⌊worship⌋ meetings, as some habitually do, but encouraging each other, and all the more as you see the day drawing near. [SUP]26 [/SUP]For if we deliberately sin after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, [SUP]27 [/SUP]but a terrifying expectation of judgment and the fury of a fire about to consume the adversaries. [SUP]28 [/SUP]If anyone disregards Moses’ law, he dies without mercy, based on the testimony of two or three witnesses. [SUP]29 [/SUP]How much worse punishment do you think one will deserve who has trampled on the Son of God, regarded as profane the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and insulted the Spirit of grace?
Hebrews 10:25-29 (NLT)
[SUP]25 [/SUP]And let us not neglect our meeting together, as some people do, but encourage one another, especially now that the day of his return is drawing near (speaking to the church). [SUP]26 [/SUP]Dear friends, if we deliberately continue sinning after we have received knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice that will cover these sins. [SUP]27 [/SUP]There is only the terrible expectation of God’s judgment and the raging fire that will consume his enemies. [SUP]28 [/SUP]For anyone who refused to obey the law of Moses was put to death without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. [SUP]29 [/SUP]Just think how much worse the punishment will be for those who have trampled on the Son of God, and have treated the blood of the covenant, which made us holy, as if it were common and unholy, and have insulted and disdained the Holy Spirit who brings God’s mercy to us.
When we take a scripture out of it's context and don't look at it in light of the finished work of Christ then that "text" will "con" us.
Here is an example here: This looks bad for all of us because we have all sinned at some time in our life.
Exodus 32:33 (NASB)
[SUP]33 [/SUP] The LORD said to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book.
For those that like longer version of the understanding of Hebrews 10 when taken in context....here is a 22 minute video giving you background on temple worship and sacrifices. and the Jews were choosing temple sacrifices over Jesus' blood....that is insulting the Spirit of grace.
There is a difference between receiving a "knowledge" of the truth and receiving the Truth - Jesus Himself....selah....
It'll bless you and you will fall deeper in love with what our Lord has done for us.
[video=youtube;IJ0i7NEYufo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJ0i7NEYufo[/video]
Here is an example here: This looks bad for all of us because we have all sinned at some time in our life.
Exodus 32:33 (NASB)
[SUP]33 [/SUP] The LORD said to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book.
For those that like longer version of the understanding of Hebrews 10 when taken in context....here is a 22 minute video giving you background on temple worship and sacrifices. and the Jews were choosing temple sacrifices over Jesus' blood....that is insulting the Spirit of grace.
There is a difference between receiving a "knowledge" of the truth and receiving the Truth - Jesus Himself....selah....
It'll bless you and you will fall deeper in love with what our Lord has done for us.
[video=youtube;IJ0i7NEYufo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJ0i7NEYufo[/video]
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Even if you do not think that John was addressing Gnosticism, you cannot avoid that sin confession for forgiveness is in direct conflict with the Gospel message of salvation. If Jesus died to pay sin's penalty and bring reconciliation for mankind to God, then sin has been dealt with and any sin confession that is for the sake of forgiveness is trampling underfoot the Son of God.
Jesus did not die in vain nor did He fail to accomplish that which the Father sent Him to do. If a person believes that sin confession is a necessity in order to receive forgiveness of sins (once a believer), then they have not fully understood that which Jesus accomplished on behalf of mankind at the cross. That being reconciliation with God, sin's penalty being paid, and imputed righteousness. The veil is torn, that which separated man from God has been dealt with. Sin has been paid. Jesus is sitting at the right hand of God, and He is our High Priest, ever living to intercede on our behalf (and therefore is able to save us completely).
Sin confession for the sake of forgiveness would make Jesus irrelevant as High Priest and Mediator. He is representing you, sit down and let Him do His job. You don't need to make a case to God of how sorry you are, and repent in order to receive forgiveness. You are already forgiven in Jesus Christ, because Jesus died for you. Yes, you should deal with the sin in your life, but as far as forgiveness goes, you are justified before God. This is elementary teaching and yet so important and vital to our Christian walk. It is faith in Christ that saves, and disbelief that condemns. Jesus is the propitiation for the sins of the world, He paid for all sin. Now the world has a choice to believe and be saved, or not believe and stay condemned.
If one must confess their sins in order to receive forgiveness then Jesus did not accomplish that which His word declares He has. Read all of Hebrews and see that sin, all sin, has been dealt with. Taken away and Jesus sits victorious at the Father's right hand. One sacrifice for all sin for all time. His blood shed, for the remission of your sins. VVe don't need Him to get back up on that cross every time we sin, His blood isn't common like that of bulls and goats. One sacrifice. For all sin. For all time. VVe, reconciled to God. Forevermore.
Jesus did not die in vain nor did He fail to accomplish that which the Father sent Him to do. If a person believes that sin confession is a necessity in order to receive forgiveness of sins (once a believer), then they have not fully understood that which Jesus accomplished on behalf of mankind at the cross. That being reconciliation with God, sin's penalty being paid, and imputed righteousness. The veil is torn, that which separated man from God has been dealt with. Sin has been paid. Jesus is sitting at the right hand of God, and He is our High Priest, ever living to intercede on our behalf (and therefore is able to save us completely).
Sin confession for the sake of forgiveness would make Jesus irrelevant as High Priest and Mediator. He is representing you, sit down and let Him do His job. You don't need to make a case to God of how sorry you are, and repent in order to receive forgiveness. You are already forgiven in Jesus Christ, because Jesus died for you. Yes, you should deal with the sin in your life, but as far as forgiveness goes, you are justified before God. This is elementary teaching and yet so important and vital to our Christian walk. It is faith in Christ that saves, and disbelief that condemns. Jesus is the propitiation for the sins of the world, He paid for all sin. Now the world has a choice to believe and be saved, or not believe and stay condemned.
If one must confess their sins in order to receive forgiveness then Jesus did not accomplish that which His word declares He has. Read all of Hebrews and see that sin, all sin, has been dealt with. Taken away and Jesus sits victorious at the Father's right hand. One sacrifice for all sin for all time. His blood shed, for the remission of your sins. VVe don't need Him to get back up on that cross every time we sin, His blood isn't common like that of bulls and goats. One sacrifice. For all sin. For all time. VVe, reconciled to God. Forevermore.
10:26-27. The kjv translation here, "if we sin willfully," is superior to niv's if we deliberately keep on sinning, as the words "keep on" overplay the Greek tense. As the context shows (cf. v. 23), the author was concerned here, as throughout the epistle, with the danger of defection from the faith. Most sin is "deliberate," but the writer was here influenced by the Old Testament's teaching about sins of presumption (cf. Num. 15:29-31) which lay outside the sacrificial provisions of the Law. Apostasy from the faith would be such a "willful" act and for those who commit it no sacrifice for sins is left (cf. Heb. 10:18). If the efficacious sacrifice of Christ should be renounced, there remained no other available sacrifice which could shield an apostate from God's judgment by raging fire. A Christian who abandons "the confidence [he] had at first" (3:14) puts himself on the side of God's enemies and, as the writer had already said, is in effect "crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting Him to public disgrace" (6:6). Such reprehensible conduct can scarcely be worthy of anything but God's flaming indignation and retribution. This, however, as stated earlier (cf. comments on 6:8), is not a reference to hell (cf. comments on 10:29).
10:28-29. Under the Old Covenant, if an Israelite spurned the Mosaic Law and at least two or three witnesses verified his actions, he was put to death. This being true, the author then argued from the lesser to the greater. If defiance of an inferior covenant could bring such retribution, what about defiance of the New Covenant which, as he had made clear, is far superior? The answer can only be that the punishment would be substantially greater in such a case.
The Bible Knowledge Commentary: An Exposition of the Scriptures by Dallas Seminary Faculty.
teaching doctrine directly related to salvation is in defiance of the New Covenant.
10:28-29. Under the Old Covenant, if an Israelite spurned the Mosaic Law and at least two or three witnesses verified his actions, he was put to death. This being true, the author then argued from the lesser to the greater. If defiance of an inferior covenant could bring such retribution, what about defiance of the New Covenant which, as he had made clear, is far superior? The answer can only be that the punishment would be substantially greater in such a case.
The Bible Knowledge Commentary: An Exposition of the Scriptures by Dallas Seminary Faculty.
teaching doctrine directly related to salvation is in defiance of the New Covenant.