Contradiction of WORDS

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SeaBass

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elf3 said:
Oh hi SeaBass I am here too. Did you miss me :) you better put me on ignore because we are not done yet. You refuse to look at truth on the other forum and you refuse to look at it here. I posted the scripture you wanted on faith so tell me what you think. You gonna believe the Word of God here or you gonna keep your free but not free belief.
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Non-responsive.

(With apologies to Elin)
 
SeaBass

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We are talking the free gift of eternal salvation from God and not some stupid car dealership where the salesman rips you off....free is free and it is obvious you have no concept of what free actually means.......work your way into the pit if you so choose!
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The principle still applies.
 
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elf3

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SeaBass you are constantly taking our words out of context and honestly it's getting me mad. We have NEVER said don't do good works. We are saying you are NOT justified by your works.

Ok then SeaBass why don't you tell us what Paul means by Eph 2:9 "not by works so no one can boast"
 
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elf3 said:
SeaBass you are constantly taking our words out of context and honestly it's getting me mad. We have NEVER said don't do good works. We are saying you are NOT justified by your works.

Ok then SeaBass why don't you tell us what Paul means by Eph 2:9 "not by works so no one can boast"
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Can a one be saved WITHOUT ever doing good works?
 
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elf3

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No that's not what I asked. I asked you to explain Eph 2:9
 
SeaBass

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elf3 said:
No that's not what I asked. I asked you to explain Eph 2:9
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As already posted, "not of works" in Eph 2:9 refers to works of merit.


now, Can a one be saved WITHOUT ever doing good works?
 
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We are saved by the blood of Christ by our faith given us by God. Our good works are a result of out faith showing our faith in God. We are not saved by them.

An example would be a bed ridden person who cannot do anything but has faith in God. How would they do good works? If they cannot do any good works would that mean they aren't saved?
 
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elf3 said:
We are saved by the blood of Christ by our faith given us by God. Our good works are a result of out faith showing our faith in God. We are not saved by them.

An example would be a bed ridden person who cannot do anything but has faith in God. How would they do good works? If they cannot do any good works would that mean they aren't saved?
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But can one be saved WITHOUT ever doing good works?
Can one be saved WITHOUT ever doing obedient works in obeying God's will?

In other words, can one be saved WITHOUT EVER doing any works at all?
 
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Yes I do because not everyone has the capacity to do good works. Look at my example in my previous post.
 
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elf3 said:
Yes I do because not everyone has the capacity to do good works. Look at my example in my previous post.
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One is either doing good works or evil works.
One is either doing righteousness or unrighteousness.
One is either obeying God or disobeying God.

So one who always does evil, unrighteousness and disobedient to God all their life can be saved?


If one is bed-ridden that excuses everyone else who is not bed-ridden from doing good works too?
 
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SeaBass said:
One is either doing good works or evil works.
One is either doing righteousness or unrighteousness.
One is either obeying God or disobeying God.

So one who always does evil, unrighteousness and disobedient to God all their life can be saved?


If one is bed-ridden that excuses everyone else who is not bed-ridden from doing good works too?
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You just don't get it and you never will because you are so bent on saving yourself. If we could in any way save ourselves why did Jesus have to die!
 
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I have given you scripture and you have talked you way into justification by works in every one. If you aren't going to listen to God's Word you sure the heck ain't gonna listen to anyone's reason seabass.
 
seed_time_harvest

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elf3 said:
The sad part is, is that if we are saved by the blood of Christ and our works, then how many works do we need? Does the Bible tell us how much work we have to do? Do I have to do as many works as you? Is there a "ladder" of works?

How about someone who believes in justification by works post Ephesians 2:8,9
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good point.very good point.
 
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SeaBass said:
So obedient works are excluded? So one can be disobedient to God's commands and still be saved? Not possible.
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Previously addressed. . .multiple times.
 
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Elin

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elf3 said:
SeaBass you are constantly taking our words out of context and honestly it's getting me mad. We have NEVER said don't do good works. We are saying you are NOT justified by your works.

Ok then SeaBass why don't you tell us what Paul means by Eph 2:9 "not by works so no one can boast"
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You're gonna' love the response.
 
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Elin

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SeaBass said:
As already posted, "not of works" in Eph 2:9 refers to works of merit.


now, Can a one be saved WITHOUT ever doing good works?
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I told ya' elf that you would love the answer.
 
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elf3 said:
You just don't get it and you never will because you are so bent on saving yourself. If we could in any way save ourselves why did Jesus have to die!
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It's called unbelief, elf.

And the gospel of grace is a closed book to those who do not believe it.
 
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