Contradiction of WORDS

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Elin

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For elf, it will put SeaBass (or whoever) on ignore, and that person's responses here in the thread will not be seen by elf anymore. He will see a pop-up that says something like "this person's reply is blocked because this user is on your ignore list."
Thanks. . . .
 
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For elf, it will put SeaBass (or whoever) on ignore, and that person's responses here in the thread will not be seen by elf anymore. He will see a pop-up that says something like "this person's reply is blocked because this user is on your ignore list."
Yes works better than duct tape. I have found it quite handy myself.
 
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​LOL.. I only have one person on my list..that's pretty good. :)
Sweet thank you! Can they still read your posts? Not that I am gonna say anything about him behind his back I just don't wouldn't care for it to be bone back..know what I meen?
 
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Now the next 3 verses or group of verses (I added verses for clarification and context) do not deal with justification in any way period.

Justification-"A reckoning or counting as righteous" (Westminster Dictionary of Theological terms)

Matthew 16:27, Revelations 20:12 (13) and 2 Corinthians 5:10 (9-11) all deal with some type of reward we will receive when we come before Jesus. I guess somehow we will be judged and rewarded by the "good works" we have done in this life. Now I will state plainly "I have no idea what these rewards might be".

Now what these verses do describe should wake up any "sleeping" Christian. Since God tells us there is some type of reward in the end it really should kind of encourage us to do "good works".

But again in these verses they do not describe justification by works. And they do not condemn any Christian who doesn't or cannot do any "good works".
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Sorry I am late responding. I haven't forgotten. I will get this done if not today, tomorrow for sure.
 
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Sweet thank you! Can they still read your posts? Not that I am gonna say anything about him behind his back I just don't wouldn't care for it to be bone back..know what I meen?
Yes they can read your posts...unless he puts you on ignore too
 

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Sweet thank you! Can they still read your posts? Not that I am gonna say anything about him behind his back I just don't wouldn't care for it to be bone back..know what I meen?
If he also has you on his ignore list, he will get the same pop-up message saying your reply is blocked. There is an option to view his post WITHOUT taking him off ignore, but that's only effective if you read it and dont respond to it. lol :)
 
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hmmm. lemesee...

at the right time Christ died for the ungodly...

Rom 5:6
For while we were still helpless (literally 'without adequate strength'), at the right time Christ died for the ungodly.

because no one has adequate strength to clean themselves up enough to be saved.
 

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Sister, mine looks like a phone book.. is that saying something about me I wonder???
It says you don't like to read alot of ridiculous horsepucky..lol.. I don't blame you, I don't like horse pucky either.. :)
 
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SeaBass
Heb 9:22 "And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission."
The Jews rejected Christ and His shed blood, so the Hebrew writer is making a comparison between shedding of blood in the OT to the shedding of Christ's blood in the NT.
That's true.
Originally posted by SeaBass
Under the OT there had to be a continual shedding of the blood of animals to have forgiveness of sins,...
This isn't true:
"For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats should take away sins." Heb.10:3
Animal sacrifice never removed sin from anyones life. It was repentance (caused by the animal sacrifice) that removed sin.

Originally posted by SeaBass
so why/how could the Jews object to the shedding of Christ's blood to forgive sins.
You're not reading the scripture I'm posting proving what I'm telling you. You're scanning over my posts without applying the scriptures in them to what we've both been taught all our lives.
 
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Elin
The Scriptures are not to be read with an unbeliever's interpretation in mind...
Yes I know. So stop believing that God viewed Christ as sinfull on the cross...like the unbelievers did.

Originally posted by Elin
...They are to be read with the word of God in mind:
Yes I know. That's why THE WORD OF GOD SAYS unbelievers would view His Son as sinful. God never viewed Jesus as sinful for any reason. If you ever understand this concept (instead of the one that has been that has been tattooed in your brain and still is, as it was in my brain also), then we can talk.
 
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hmmm. lemesee...

at the right time Christ died for the ungodly...

Rom 5:6
For while we were still helpless (literally 'without adequate strength'), at the right time Christ died for the ungodly.

because no one has adequate strength to clean themselves up enough to be saved.
This is why Jesus came preaching repentance and doing miracles....even rising from the dead People got strengthened by the work of our Savior. Although, it's possible to view without strength as meaning people are totally incapable of believing anything, but that heresy will lead to ideas like God condemning innocent babies.

Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God. 1 Pe.1:21

Yep...thats how God puts the whammy on us.
 
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Sorry I am late responding. I haven't forgotten. I will get this done if not today, tomorrow for sure.
Hey no worries gator. I figured you were just busy. It's not like we need to rush through it. In fact it's better if we don't rush.
 
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elf3

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Yes they can read your posts...unless he puts you on ignore too
If he also has you on his ignore list, he will get the same pop-up message saying your reply is blocked. There is an option to view his post WITHOUT taking him off ignore, but that's only effective if you read it and dont respond to it. lol :)
I just found a down side. If someone reposts I can still see it lol. Oh well not that huge a deal. And yeah now that I know how there are a couple others lol
 

Elin

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SeaBass said:
Under the OT there had to be a continual shedding of the blood of animals to have forgiveness of sins,
This isn't true:
"For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats should take away sins." Heb.10:3
Animal sacrifice never removed sin from anyones life. It was
repentance (caused by the animal sacrifice) that removed sin.
No, the sacrifice did not cause repentance, but the sacrifice was ineffective without repentance,
because it was offered in unbelief.

The sacrifice was the penalty for sin (Lev 5:6, 7, 14)
and it only covered their sin (Ro 4:7),
it did not remit sin, take them away Heb 10:4).
 
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hmmm. lemesee...

at the right time Christ died for the ungodly...

Rom 5:6
For while we were still helpless (literally 'without adequate strength'), at the right time Christ died for the ungodly.

because no one has adequate strength to clean themselves up enough to be saved.
No doubt.....Like it clearly states...ALL OUR RIGHTEOUSNESSES are AS FILTHY RAGS and OUR INIQUITIES like the wind have taken us away....OUR works will never be good enough to save us or keep us saved period as our eternal salvation rests squarely upon Jesus and his work and HIS faith which satisfied the heavenly FATHER!
 

Elin

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Elin said:
jdbear said:
Understanding how THEY viewed our Savior makes all the difference. If you miss this simple point, you'll be led into major error. Remember this...they thought he was being punished by God for His sins.
Read the scriptures with this in mind.
The Scriptures are not to be read with an unbeliever's interpretation in mind.
They are to be read with the word of God in mind:


"Above all you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about

by the prophet's own interpretation (understanding).


For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man,

but men spoke as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit." (2Pe 1:20-21)

It matters not what the prophet thought.
Yes I know. That's why THE WORD OF GOD SAYS unbelievers would view His Son as sinful.
Non-responsive.

Is 53:5 states:

"the punishment that brought us peace was upon him."

That's exactly what the Holy Spirit carried Isaiah along to say.

What Isaiah thought about it is neither stated, nor does it matter.

God never viewed Jesus as sinful for any reason.
It's not about "viewing" Jesus as sinful, it is about Jesus himself bearing our sins in his body on the tree (2Pe 2:24).

Your unbelief is showing.
 
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Originally posted by Elin
No, the sacrifice did not cause repentance,...
Yes it did, because He rose from the dead. All His miracles (His entire life as a living sacrifice) caused some people to repent:

"This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth his glory; and his disciples believed on him."
Repentance is accomplished by hearing Gods word and believing:

"For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye believed him not: but the publicans and the harlots believed him: and ye, when ye had seen it, repented not afterward, that ye might believe him.

"The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

People repent because they believe.

Originally posted by Elin
...but the sacrifice was ineffective without repentance,
because it was offered in unbelief.
The sacrifice was offered so people would believe:

"And now I have told you before it (My death and resurrection) come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.

"And he (the Apostle John) that saw it (the death of Jesus) bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe.

Originally posted by Elin
The sacrifice was the penalty for sin (Lev 5:6, 7, 14)
and it only covered their sin (Ro 4:7),
it did not remit sin, take them away Heb 10:4).
All of the sacrifices God commanded in the OT were for the purpose of causing repentance and faith in God. From Abraham offering Isaac, to Moses and Aaron...all of it. So was Jesus sacrifice.
You're misreading every scripture you cite.