Contradiction of WORDS

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notuptome said:
This is actually true but you are wrong to think it is water baptism. It is the only baptism that saves meaning it is the Holy Spirit baptism not water.

Mutually exclusive concepts.

A straw man argument. Even the worst sinner will do a good deed on occasion. What about the man who does good deeds but denies the efficacy of the blood of Christ and the grace of God? Can one be saved if they have their own gospel?

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Mt 28:19,20; Mk 16:15,16; Jn 3:5; Acts 2;38; ROo 6:3-5; Gal 3:27 etc are all water baptism. The bible does not promise anyone today baptism with the Holy Spirit. For that idea is made up by those that are trying to find a way to get around the necessity of water baptism.

1) No one who is unforgiven can be saved
2) Water baptism is where God remits/forgives sins
3) Therefore no water baptism = no forgiveness of sins.
 
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Elin said:
That probably describes the thief on the cross,
and he was saved just hanging there unable to perform anything.
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The bible does not tell us what kind of life the thief lived before he was on the cross. He could have been a disciple of Christ but later flee into a life of crime for all we know.

But I still see you are striving to find a way to get men saved while still in their unforgiven sins.
 
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How can physical water purify the inside,

Doesn't peter say its the pledge of a clear conscious towards GOD?

Sometimes people don't let the bible get in the way of what they believe.
 
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SeaBass said:
The bible does not tell us what kind of life the thief lived before he was on the cross. He could have been a disciple of Christ but later flee into a life of crime for all we know.

But I still see you are striving to find a way to get men saved while still in their unforgiven sins.
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Don't need to, for salvation is what forgives their sin.
 
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SEABASS I AM GETTING QUITE TIRED OF YOU ADDING WORDS TO WHAT I SAY ON HERE OR ANY OTHER THREAD! THE ONLY REASON YOU ADD WORDS IS TRY AND PROVE YOURSELVES RIGHT AND YOU DO THE SAME THING TO THE BIBLE!! YEAH CAN YOU TELL I AM PISSED!!! YOU ARE SO CONFUSED THAT ON THIS FORUM AND THE OTHER FORUM YOU DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT YOU ARE ARGUING ABOUT!!

YEAH I AM FINALLY GOING OFF ON YOU SEAMONKEY!!! CALLING YOU OUT FOR EVERYONE TO SEE!! AND YOU KNOW WHAT I AM NOT THE ONLY ONE TICKED OFF AT YOU ABOUT THIS. JUST THAT I AM THE FIRST TO SAY I HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF IT!!!!

YOU ARE A "SELECTIVE READING SELECTIVE UNDERSTANDING CONTRADICTORY MESS"!!!!
 
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DUCT TAPE WOULDNT EVEN WORK FOR YOU!!!
 
SeaBass

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seed_time_harvest said:
How can physical water purify the inside,

Doesn't peter say its the pledge of a clear conscious towards GOD?

Sometimes people don't let the bible get in the way of what they believe.
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The water does nothing, it is the act of obedience/doing righteousness/doing what God said that God cuts away the body of sin.

Acts 10:35 the ones that "worketh righteousness" are the ones accepted with God.
 
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Elin said:
There are none so blind as those who will not see.
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Can you 'see' that Naaman's obedient work in dipping in no way earned him God's grace?

Or do you refuse to 'see' this?
 
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SeaBass said:
Can you 'see' that Naaman's obedient work in dipping in no way earned him God's grace?

Or do you refuse to 'see' this?
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You're confusing grace of sanctification through obedience
with grace of salvation through faith only (Eph 2:8-9; Ro 3:28; 4:16, 11:5)
 
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SeaBass said:
1 Cor 6 - know ye not the unrighteous WILL NOT inherit the kingdom of heaven?
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Agreed. . .only those in Christ through faith by grace only (Eph 2:8-9; Ro 3:28, 4:16, 11:25)
inherit the kingdom of heaven.
 
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SeaBass said:
1 Cor 6 - know ye not the unrighteous WILL NOT inherit the kingdom of heaven?
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And such WERE some of you: but you are washed, but you are sanctified, but you are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

 
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​Yup, it's just as I thought it was in here..lol.. :)
 
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peacefulbeliever said:
And such WERE some of you: but you are washed, but you are sanctified, but you are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.
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Yes, they could NOT be saved as they WERE and they WERE unrighteous therefore could not be saved that way.

Elin says the unrighteous are saved as they ARE.

They were washed (water baptized) taking them from" WERE unrighteous" to now righteous.

Doing nothing cannot take then from unrighteous to righteous
 
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Elin said:
Agreed. . .only those in Christ through faith by grace only (Eph 2:8-9; Ro 3:28, 4:16, 11:25)
inherit the kingdom of heaven.
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You just made receiving grace conditional upon being 'in Christ'

So how do the faithless unrighteous ever get into Christ where grace is found? By doing nothing?
 
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SeaBass said:
Yes, they could NOT be saved as they WERE and they WERE unrighteous therefore could not be saved that way.

Elin says the unrighteous are saved as they ARE.
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Elin says God justifies the wicked (Ro 4:5)
 
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